John Cockerill Defence - If it’s armoured it can have their turrets!
The Belgian company John Cockerill Defence is famous for its long-standing history in weapons manufactoring. This discussion is an attempt at clarifying and gathering all possible variants that include Cockerill turrets which could find, or already have found their way into War Thunder. At the moment there are 50+ vehicles in this list, if you know more, please let me know!
Small Calibre 20 - 30 mm
- CPWS20 or CPWS25 or CWPS30
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CPWS Turret Textron Commando 4x4 armored (YT-link)
BTR-3E CPWS 30
30-mm ZTM-1 cannon (Ukrainian version based on the 2-72 cannon)
KIFV CPWS 30
A Doosan DST Korean Infantry Fighting Vehicle fitted with the CMI CPWS armed with an Orbital ATK 30 mm M230LF cannon.
The CPWS is designed to incorporate the 20 mm to 30 mm calibre automatic gun that best meet the user’s needs:
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CPWS20 - 20 mm
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CPWS25 - 25 mm - ATK M242, Nexter, Oerlikon KBA
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CPWS30 - 30 mm - ATK M230 LF, ZTM-1
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elevation: -10° to +45°
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LRF
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Thermal camera
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1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun
- CPWS Gen.2
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M113 CPWS 25: Keeping the legend alive
Arquus APC with CPWS gen.2
French Pilar V acoustic detection system
Armament:
- Main armament: 1x 25mm M242 cannon (can fire APDS, HEI-T and APFSDS)
- secondary armament: Launcher with 5x FZ275 laser guided rockets.
- coaxial armament: 1x 7.62 mm machine gun.
The second-generation CPWS retains all the advantages of its predecessor: it is remotely controlled from inside the vehicle on which it is installed, provides the ability to recharge from the inside of the hull, given its light weight, it can be installed on all types of wheeled vehicles 4x4, 6x6, 8x8 and track vehicles.
- addition of 2 AT missiles possible
- EWS
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- Single or two man turrets
- Possibilities of integration of existing automatic cannons for 20 to 40 mm calibre
- Experienced with Oerlikon KBA 25mm C25
- Experienced with Oerlikon KBB 25mm C25
- Experienced with Mauser 30mm C30
- High speed electro-mechanical power drives
- Stabilisation available
- Can be mounted on either tracked or wheeled vehicles
- 1030 (manned and unmanned)
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Standalone
Polish BMP variant with 1030
Patria with 1030
Armament:
- 1 x 1 30x173 mm chain gun
- 1 x 2 MANPAD launch system (type stinger or mistral)
- 1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun
- Sights: Commander (360°, stabilized) and
Gunner sight (TV/IR/LRF): Thermal Imager: 13.5 / 6.1 / 3.1 km - Elevation: -10°/+70°
- Counter drone munitions and launch options
- 3030
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Piranha 5 3030
Piranha IIIH 3030
Desert Piranha 3030/40
VBCI 3030
GDLS-Canada LAV-700 3030 - Saudi Arabia
Patria-AMV Cockerill 3030
Armament:
- 1 x 7 70 mm Thales Rocket Pod
- Ammunition storage: 7 Rockets in the pod + Unknown number of spare rockets
- Ammunition types:
- HEGP (FZ71) - [High Explosive General Purpose, 1 kg explosive mass]
- HEAP (FZ319) - [High Explosive Armour Piercing, 1 kg explosive mass]
- LGR (FZ275) - [Semi-Active Laser Guided Rocket, 4.1 kg explosive mass]
- MULTIDART (FZ149) - [Shotgun effect, 36 darts of 35 grams each]
- Flechette (FZ122) - [Shotgun effect, 2200 flechettes of 1.3 grams each]
- SMK (FZ336) - [Smoke rocket]
- OR 1x2 Bayonet AT-missiles (laserguided)
- 1 x 1 30 mm Bushmaster II gun
- 1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun
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Armour:
STANAG 4569 lv. 2, resistant to 7.62mm AP
Armament:
- 1 x 1 25 mm M242 Bushmaster autocannon
- Ammunition types:
- APFSDS (M919) [penetrates 51mm at 1000 meters, 60°]
- APFSDS (M935A2) [penetrates 40mm at 1000 meters, 45°]
- Reload type: Belt-fed gun
- Rate of fire: 500 rounds per minute
- Ammunition types:
Medium Calibre 90 mm
- CM 90
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Vickers Valkyr CM 90
SIBMAS AFSV-90 - A Belgian in Malaysia
Cardoen Piraña I 6x6
Piraña II 8x8
Armament of CM 90:
- 90 mm Cockerill Mk III cannon (ammo: 12 + hull stowage)
- M620A1 HEAT-FS: 250 mm RHA, 890 m/s
- NR 478 HEAT-FS: 300 mm RHA, 890 m/s
- NR 220 HEAT-FS: 330 mm RHA, 700 m/s
- M625A1 HESH: 102 mm RHA, 800 m/s
- M618A1 Smoke: 714 m/s
- Reloading rate: Unknown, around 8.7 s
- 2 x 7.62 mm machine guns (ammo: coaxial: 400, cupola: 200)
- Vertical guidance: -10 / 30° at 30°/s
Systems
- 16 x smoke grenade launcher
- Stabiliser: no
- Laser rangefinder: optional
- Night vision sights: optional
- CSE 90
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The CSE 90 is the CM 90 with a Mk. 3MA-1 gun and the single-baffle muzzle brake that can fire M652 APFSDS. It has a laser rangefinder and optional thermal sights.
M113a1-b cse 90
Pindad «Badak» ( Rhino ) CSE 90 - (early model) Indonesian in service
armament of CSE 90:
- 90 mm Cockerill Mk IIIM-A1 cannon (ammo: 12 + hull stowage)
- M652A1 APFSDS: 100 mm RHA at 1000 m and 60°, 1210 m/s
- M620A1 HEAT-FS: 250 mm RHA, 890 m/s
- NR 478 HEAT-FS: 300 mm RHA, 890 m/s
- NR 220 HEAT-FS: 330 mm RHA, 700 m/s
- M625A1 HESH: 102 mm RHA, 800 m/s
- M618A1 Smoke: 714 m/s
- Reloading rate: Unknown, around 8.7 s
- 2 x 7.62 mm machine guns (ammo: coaxial: 400, cupola: 200)
- Vertical guidance: -10 / 30° at 30°/s
systems:
- 16 x smoke grenade launcher
- Stabiliser: no
- Laser rangefinder: optional
- Night vision sights: optional
Armor:
- Turret protected against 7.62 mm AP
- LCTS 90MP
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M41 LCTS 90
armament of LCTS 90:
- 90 mm Cockerill Mk. 7 cannon (ammo: ~40-45)
- M690A1 APFSDS: >300 mm RHA at 2 km (similar to DM23)
- M691A2 HESH: similar to DM502
- Reloading rate: ~7 s
- 2 x 7.62 mm machine guns (probably FN MAG) (ammo: 750, 250 for roof-mounted and 500 for coaxial)
- Turret rotation speed: 30°/s
- Vertical guidance: -9 / 20°
systems:
- 8 x smoke grenade launcher (ammo: 16)
- Stabiliser: unknown - probably
- Laser rangefinder: yes
- Thermal sights: yes
M113A1-B LCTS 90 — danger box
Armament:
- 90 mm Cockerill Mk 8 cannon (ammo: 20 + hull stowage)
- M690A1 APFSDS: 150 mm RHA at 2000 m and 60°, 1345 m/s
- M691A2 HESH: similar to DM502, 712 m/s
- M693A2 Smoke: 709 m/s
- Reloading rate: Unknown, around 7 s
- 1 x 7.62 mm machine gun
Systems:
- Vertical guidance: -9 / 20°
- Stabiliser: yes
- Laser rangefinder: yes
- Laser warning system: yes
- Thermal sights: yes
Mowag Piranha IIIC DF90: Belgium’s Warrior on Wheels
Armament:
- 1x Mk.8 Cockerill 90mm cannon.
- APFSDS-T rounds (150mm RHA at 2000m & 60°, 300mm RHA at 2000m & 0°)
- HESH-T
- 1x coaxial 7.62mm FN machine gun
- 1x roof-mounted 7.62mm FN machine gun
Systems:
- Stabilizer: yes, 2-plane
- Laser-rangefinder: yes
- commander-sight: yes
- commander override: yes
- thermals: yes, gunner & commander
More info on the turret of specifically the Belgian variant can be found on its post or here, provided by vickers43850:
SIBMAS LCTS 90MP: The ultimate all-Belgian vehicle
LAV-AG(S) - Wheeled 90 mm Assault Gun (LCTS 90MP)
old post: link
Pandur 1 LCTS 90
- CSE 90LP (modern)
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The CSE 90LP is a turret that has been exported to numerous countries with over 3000 units sold or built under license around the world. It is the modernisation of the CSE 90 and the CM 90. The following are a selection of collaborations and series-produced vehicles with this turret.
BTR-3E (CSE 90LP)
FAMAE Piraña I 8x8D - Cockerill CSE 90 mm
Pindad «Badak» ( Rhino ) CSE 90LP - Indonesian in service
Cadillac Gage Commando Select 90mm DFV: A Modern Fire Support Car
- Cockerill 90LP cannon, 37 rounds (auto loader)
- 1 x 7.62 mm MAG machine gun coax + 1 x 7.62 mm MAG machine gun AA
- 8 x smoke launcher canisters
- elevation: -10°/+30° at 90°/s
- traverse at 30°/s
- Sights: x1-8 with rank 1 thermals
- LRF
Large Calibre >105 mm
- CT-CV 105HP
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The CT-CV brought an autoloader for large calibre 105mm guns into the series, with the integration of very new munitions such as Belgian MECAR M1060CV ammunition, smart ammunition and Belgian-Ukranian gun fired missiles.
Piranha III CT-CV 105HP
Pandur II FSV (CT-CV 105HP) - Indonesian Army
Arma 8x8 (CT-CV 105HP) - Exceptional Hunter
Patria CT-CV 105HP tank destroyer
KTO MAS 105: The Polish Mobile Artillery System
Main Components
- Two man turret
- Cockerill 105 mm CV gun
- Electro-mechanical power control system
- Panoramic sight
- Fully stabilised day/night gunner sight
- Laser range finder
- Ballistic computer for firing on the move
Characteristics
- Calibre: 105 mm NATO
- Barrel length: 5,586 mm
- Weight: 1,750 kg
- Maximum firing rate: 6 to 8 rounds/minute
- Uniquely high elevation range: -10° to +42°
- Effective indirect-fire engagement capability
- XC-8-105
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The XC-8 is an upgrade of the CT-CV variant, with several design changes. The turret was made lighter, but level 5 STANAG 4569 armour was added all-around. The optical systems were majorly updated, with the possible integration of soft APS systems, far more smoke grenade options and ammunition and more integrated environmental measurement systems to help with the ballistics computer in the turret.
K21 XC-8-105
Arma I (8x8) XC-8-105
Arma II (8x8) XC-8-105
The ARMA II, equipped with a Cockerill XC-8 105HP 105mm turret.
CV90105
Main Components
- Two man turret
- 2 Panoramic sights
- Fully stabilised day/night gunner sight for both gunner and commander
- Laser range finder/Laser warning system
- Ballistic computer for firing on the move with additional environmental measurement system
- computerized fire control system
Characteristics
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Barrel length: 5,586 mm
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Weight: 1,750 kg
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elevation range: -10° to +42°
Armament: -
1 x 1 105 mm Cockerill HP gun
- Ammunition storage: 40 rounds
- Ammunition types:
- HESH (M393A3)
- HEAT (M1061) [1173 m/s, penetrates 400mm at 1500 meters, 0°]
- APFSDS (M1060CV) [1620 m/s, penetrates 560mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
- GLATGM (Falarick 105) [penetrates more then 550mm, Tandem-charge]
- CANISTER (M1204) [1173 m/s, shotgun effect]
- SMK (M416) [731 m/s, smoke round]
- Reload type: Auto-loader
- Reload rate: 5 seconds
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1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun
- XC-8-120
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K21 XC-8-120
Rosomak 8×8 XC-8-120HP
WWO (Wóz Wsparcia Ogniowego, Fire Support Vehicle), 120mm variant
- 1 x 1 120 mm Cockerill HP gun
- Ammunition storage: 12-16 ready rack, more in storage
- Ammunition types: any NATO 120 mm rounds
- GLATGM (Falarick 120) [penetrates more then 550mm, Tandem-charge]
- 3105
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The 3105 variant of the 3000-series is actually a development from the XC-8, but with many internal and external changes, such as a new crew compartiment, bustle mount, optics, breach mount, LWD, UAV integration since 2016, new environmental measurement, etc.
The two-person turret houses a Cockerill 105HP mm rifled gun coupled to an autoloader that stores 12-16 rounds, depending on the configuration. The turret has been seen on a Leopard 1A5BE at Eurosatory 2022, demonstrating its viability on the platform. Modifications required the installation of a turret ring adapter as well as integrating the turret with the Leopard 1’s electrical supply. The key advantage a turret like this could provide to legacy MBTs is a suite of modern mission systems, along with a reduction in weight and crew. The 3105 has also entered service on the FNSS/PT Pindad Harimau tracked fire support vehicle (FSV) for Indonesia, and the GDLS-Canada LAV-700 FSV for Saudi Arabia. Other platforms the turret has been mounted on for testing include the GDLS-Canada LAV-III, Hanwha K-21, KNDS Boxer, and the Otokar Tulpar.
LAV 700 C3105: LAV-700AG - Next Generation Wheeled Assault Gun
Piranha IIIH (8x8) 3105 (early) - early prototype for the LAV 700 trials
Piranha IIIH (8x8) 3105
Patria AMV (8x8) 3105
Pandur II FSV 3105
The MLU of the Indonesian pandur II FSV to 3105 standards
Cockerill 3105 MPF - Hunter goes Heavy
Tulpar Light Tank (3105) - Winged Galloper
Zorawar Light Tank: India’s Mountain Marcher
Modified 3105:
- BEL RCWS 12.7 mm anti-aircraft machine gun that has its own laser rangefinder, target auto-tracker, and thermal imager for targeting
- coaxial PKT machine gun
- etc. (read the suggestion post for more info)
Kaplan MT / Harimau 3105 - Indonesian amry
Boxer Cockerill 3105 - The aberrant flanker / [Development] Mobile Sniper: Boxer MGS
Leopard 1A5 Cockerill 3105 Upgrade
- Crew: 2
- 1 x 1 105 mm Cockerill HP gun
- Ammunition storage: 40-20 rounds
- Ammunition types:
- HESH (M393A3)
- HEAT (M1061) [1173 m/s, penetrates 400mm at 1500 meters, 0°]
- APFSDS (M1060CV) [1620 m/s, penetrates 560mm at 2000 meters, 60°]
- GLATGM (Falarick 105) [penetrates more then 550mm, Tandem-charge]
- CANISTER (M1204) [1173 m/s, shotgun effect]
- SMK (M416) [731 m/s, smoke round]
- Reload type: Auto-loader
- Reload rate: 5 seconds
- 1 x 1 7.62 mm FN-MAG coaxial machine gun
- LWD
- APS, Acoustic gunshot detections
- 8 x smoke grenades
- Identical gunner/commander third gen thermal sights (Thermal imager: 15 / 7 / 3.5 km)
This list will undoubtedly be incomplete and/or wrong, please do say so if you notice lacking systems!
Sources:
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- Cockerill® CPWS GEN. 2 remote operated turret : Defense - John Cockerill
- Cockerill® i-X : Defense - John Cockerill
- Cockerill® 1030 Unmanned turret : Defense - John Cockerill
- Cockerill modular turret 3030 : Defense - John Cockerill
- Army Guide
- https://archive.org/details/janesarmourartil0006unse/page/798/mode/2up
- https://archive.org/details/janesarmourartil0006unse/page/380/mode/2up?q=valkyr
- Cockerill® LCTS 90MP two-seat turret : Defense - John Cockerill
- Cockerill® CSE 90LP two-person turret : Defense - John Cockerill
- https://johncockerill.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/John-Cockerill_Defense_CSE90_EN.pdf
- Cockerill® modular turret 3105 : Defense - John Cockerill
- The Cockerill CT-CV (TM) Weapon System (advanced 105mm) successfully demonstrated its gun launched missile capability - John Cockerill
- Eurosatory: CMI Defence and BAE Systems Hägglunds present the CV90105 - John Cockerill
- SIBMAS - Encyclopedie des Armes
- https://web.archive.org/web/20181220183358/https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_old_pdf.cfm?ARC_ID=1171
- Armement : Nexter présente le VBCI 3030, CAESAR, TITUS et les autres... - FNCV
- FNSS - KAPLAN-MT
- https://web.archive.org/web/20070331184023/http://cmigroupe-web.com.acelis.net/files/files/defence/lcts90.pdf
- https://web.archive.org/web/20070331061317/http://cmigroupe-web.com.acelis.net/files/files/defence/BATdefense-ctcv.pdf
- https://web.archive.org/web/20070331063456/http://cmigroupe-web.com.acelis.net/files/files/defence/cse90.pdf
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