Definitely +1 for BeNeLux 
Is there a time table or something like that to decide which cannon 90MP and/or 90LP turrets using ?
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MP stands for Medium Pressure, LP for Low Pressure
MP sales brochure: https://johncockerill.com/en/defense-2/weapons-systems/cockerill-lcts-90mp/
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You got me wrong, I know the difference between MP and LP. I’m asking, is there a way to know which version/variant of main gun they are using. Like MP turret could be armed with Mk.III, Mk.IIIM or Mk.VIII etc.
The easiest way is to google search the vehicle, and find things like this -
Piranha IIIC DF90 Fire Support Vehicle | MilitaryToday.com :
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Definitely going to upvote this big boy, would be really cool to have in game with a future BeNeLux tech tree.
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I would recommend BeNeLux to become a sub-tech-tree for France, the same way Norway did for Sweden and South Africa for Britain.
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+1 for BeNeLux! I love these Piranha’s.
Can’t this one also fire the Falarick 90 ATGM from its gun?
Technically yes but i don’t think it’s used in service
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Hope to see along with any future ERC90 Sagaie +1
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The Piranha IIIC DF90 has an empty weight of 22 tonnes and a combat weight of 24 tonnes.
Here are the specifications:
The DF90 is armed with the Cockerill Mk.8 rifled gun, also known as the CKL 90 MP. Note the inscription on the breech block.
The Piranha IIIC DF90’s turret is Cockerill’s LCTS-90, and its Fire Control System (FCS) for 90 mm turret provided by Elbit Systems Electro-optics (Elop), includes a Dual-Axis Stabilized Line-of-Sight (DAS) gunner’s sight and a Commander Advanced Panoramic Sight (CAPS).
The gunner’s DAS has ELOP’s TADES-U second-generation thermal imaging elbow sight with two FoV, and the thermal image is displayed in the gunner display unit.
The commander’s CAPS which also used on Merkava Mk.4, has a CCD TV and a more advanced third generation thermal imager for observation.
There is no doubt that the CKL 90 MP (Mk.8) gun is capable of firing APFSDS rounds, designated as M690A1 or M690A2.
It is worth noting that the DF90’s LCTS-90 turret is not equipped with automatic loader, and the commander loads rounds from the semi-ready rack on the rear of turret. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdhiYf0Sy-U)
Unlike new LCTS-90MP turret, which is equipped with a bustle-mounted autoloader to load Falarisk 90 ATGM. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xXUKLwmagc)
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As I mentioned, technically the Piranha IIIC DF90 cannot fire the Falarisk 90 ATGM due to the lack of an autoloader.
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Excellent information with good sources! Thank you very very much! I’ll go through it all and update the suggestion step by step where necessary.
Huh, so it’s impossible to manually load a Falarick 90? Pity.
I always wondered what optics were being used. I thought they were would’ve been German considering the use of the PERI-CDR sight used on earlier LCTS-90MP turrets:
Spoiler
As well as the use of EOTS III on later Belgian projects:
Good work. I probably would’ve never looked in the Israeli direction.
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Yep, the early LCTS-90 turrets exported to Kuwait Pandur 6x6 and Saudi LAV-AG 8x8 uses a FCS solution called Primary Direct Fire-Control System (PDFCS) based on Kollsman’s Day Night Range Sight (DNRS) and Carl Zeiss’ PERI-CDR commander’s panoramic sight.
In addition to ELOP’s FCS selected by Belgium, CMI also provides an improved French FCS solution for the Saudi LAV-AG upgrades, which is based on SAGEM’s SAVAN-11gunner’s primary sight and commander’s Observation Panoramic Stabilized Sight (OPSS), which can add a guidance sight located in the center of the turret for Falarick 90 GLATGM if necessary.
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Very cool. In my opinion, one of the major roadblocks for any potential additions of Cockerill turrets was a lack of info on the sights themselves. But this clears things up.
Is PDFCS also used for the CT-CV 105HP turrets? Also would you be able to upload a zip file of OPSS, please? I seem to have missed it during my deep dive of the SAGEM web archives and I would like to add it to my collection.
These days, Cockerill procure all their sights from Safran such as MPS and PASEO but there’s next to nothing known about the specifications unfortunately.
The first CT-CV prototype turret actually used the French FCS based on SAGEM’s SAVAN-15 gunner’s day/night sight and commander’s OPSS panoramic sight
Here are the brochures, I uploaded them.
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I initially thought it was SAVAN 15 too, but the stated elevation angles did not align with SAGEM’s brochure and the performance for the thermal imager in that brochure falls far below either the IRIS TGS or MATIS STD which are used in the SAVAN 15:
But it appears to be a case of Cockerill understating performance for the latter and it makes sense that the elevation angles would be modified.
Thanks!
here as well, updated the suggestion with your informations :)