Independent South African Tech Tree & Jordanian Sub-Tree

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The South African Armed Forces

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The history of the South African Armed Forces traces back to its establishment as the Union Defence Force (UDF) in 1912. During World War II, South Africa contributed significantly to Allied operations, notably in East Africa, North Africa, and Italy, where they utilized British and American armoured vehicles such as the Crusader and Sherman tanks, as well as domestically produced armoured cars. Following the war, South Africa began to develop its own military doctrine and equipment, partly due to self-inflicted isolation during the apartheid era. This period saw the establishment of the South African Defence Force (SADF) in 1957, which aided in modernizing and expanding its armoured capabilities.

During the 1960s and 1970s, as regional conflicts and international embargoes intensified, the SADF developed a robust domestic armoured vehicle industry. This led to the creation of iconic AFVs such as the Ratel infantry fighting vehicle, the Eland armoured car, and the Rooikat armoured reconnaissance vehicle, designed to meet the demands of bush warfare. These vehicles were extensively used during the Border War (1966-1989) against guerrilla forces in Angola and Namibia. Following the end of apartheid in 1994, the newly formed South African National Defence Force (SANDF) continued to operate many of these vehicles while also focusing on peacekeeping missions across Africa, evolving in to one of the premier armed forces on the continent.

The Tech Tree

Vehicles

Branch 1 (Medium Tanks and MBTs)

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Rank 1

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M3 Honey

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A South African operated M3A1 Stuart. In South African (and Commonwealth) service, the Stuart was known as the ‘Honey’

Basic Specs

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Armament: 37mm M6

Armour (frontal, mm): 38

Mobility: 59 kph (forward), 7 kph (reverse)

Rank 2

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Crusader Mk II

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A Crusader Mk II in South African Service

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Armament: 2pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 20

Mobility: 43 kph (forward), 7 kph (reverse)

Grant I

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A Grant I in South African service

Basic Specs

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Armament: 75mm M2 & 37mm M5

Armour (frontal, mm): 51

Mobility: 39 kph (forward), 6 kph (reverse)

Rank 3

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Sherman V

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A Sherman V (M4A4) in South African Service.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 75mm M3

Armour (frontal, mm): 51

Mobility: 39 kph (forward), 6 kph (reverse)

Sherman Firefly

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A Sherman Firefly in South African Service

Basic Specs

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Armament: 17pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 51

Mobility: 41 kph (forward), 5 kph (reverse)

Sherman IIA

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South African operated 76mm Sherman II

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Armament: 76mm M1

Armour (frontal, mm): 63

Mobility: 39 kph (forward), 6 kph (reverse)

Comet

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A Comet in South African Service

Basic Specs

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Armament: QF 77mm

Armour (frontal, mm): 76

Mobility: 52 kph (forward), 4 kph (reverse)

Rank 4

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T-34-85

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A T-34-85 captured by South Africa from Rhodesia during one of the Bush Wars

Basic Specs

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Armament: 85mm ZIS-S-53

Armour (frontal, mm): 45

Mobility: 55 kph (forward), 9 kph (reverse)

Semel

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A South African modified Mk 5 Centurion, with a new V-12 Continental Engine.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 20pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 76

Mobility: ~48 kph (forward), ~9 kph (reverse)

Skokiaan

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A South African Centurion Mk 3 with a domestically modified V-12 Continental Engine as well as several internal modifications (that wouldn’t affect gameplay).

Basic Specs

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Armament: 20pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 76

Mobility: ~48 kph (forward), ~9 kph (reverse)

Rank 5

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Olifant Mk 1

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A South African Centurion Mk 5, re-engined with a 750hp Teledyne AVDS-1790-2A, semi-automatic transmission, several upgrades to the drive train, road gear, and turret traverse, as well as a hand-held laser rangefinder for the commander. Retains the 20pdr.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 20pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 76

Mobility: 48 kph (forward), 9 kph (reverse)

Olifant Mk 1A

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An Olifant Mk 1 upgunned with a 105mm GT-3 (L7) cannon, improved fire control systems, and rudimentary night vision devices.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 105mm GT-3

Armour (frontal, mm): 76

Mobility: 48 kph (forward), 9 kph (reverse)

Rank 6

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Olifant Mk 1B

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A full rebuild of the Olifant tank, including new suspension, new 950hp engine, automatic transmission, add-on armour package, and basic day/night sights for commander and gunner.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 105mm GT-3

Armour (frontal, mm): 76 + composite package

Mobility: ~55 kph (forward), ~15 kph (reverse)

Olifant Mk 2

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A further upgrade of the Olifant Mk 1B, including a new 1040hp engine and advanced thermal sights.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 105mm GT-8

Armour (frontal, mm): 76 + composite package

Mobility: 58 kph (forward), 22 kph (reverse)

Olifant Mk 1B Optimum

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A fully rebuilt turret with ‘arrow head’ armour and a 105mm cannon, installed on the Olifant Mk 1b chassis as a prototype. A fair amount of this tech contributed to the Olfiant Mk 2 programme but it was not taken further than a prototype.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 105mm GT-8

Armour (frontal, mm): 76 + composite package

Mobility: ~55 kph (forward), ~15 kph (reverse)

*T-72M1 TIGER

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South African T-72M1, purchased from Poland, with upgraded thermal imaging and FCS.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 125mm 2A46

Armour (frontal, mm): 110 + composite

Mobility: 60 kph (forward), 5 kph (reverse)

Rank 7

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TTD

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A fully domesticly produced modern South African MBT. Did not progress past the prototype stage due to the adoption of the Olifant Mk 2.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 105mm GT-3

Armour (frontal, mm): 85 + composite package

Mobility: ~72 kph (forward), ~32 kph (reverse)

Rank 8

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Challenger 2E (South Africa)

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An early version of the 1500hp Challenger 2E, trialed for South African adoption as part of Project Aorta. Unsuccessful due to the adoption of the Olifant Mk 2. It is important to note the Challenger 2E never left the UK for these trials, and it is uncertain whether it was operated by a British or South African crew during them.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 120mm L30A1

Armour (frontal, mm): 130 + classified composite

Mobility: 72 kph (forward), 35 kph (reverse)

Branch 2 (Armoured Cars & Light Tanks)

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SARC Mk IVa

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A domestically produced South African armoured car armed with a 2pdr cannon.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 2pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 6

Mobility: 85 kph (forward), 14 kph (reverse)

Rank 2

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SARC Mk VI (2 pdr)

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A domestically produced advanced armoured car armed with a 2pdr cannon and triple MGs

Basic Specs

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Armament: 2pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 20

Mobility: 65 kph (forward), 19 kph (reverse)

Rank 3

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SARC Mk VI (6 pdr)

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A SARC Mk VI upgunned with a 6 pdr and .50 browning

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Armament: 6pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 20

Mobility: 65 kph (forward), 19 kph (reverse)

Concept 3

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A South African prototype armoured car armed with the QF 77m HV cannon found on the Comet.

Basic Specs

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Armament: QF 77mm

Armour (frontal, mm): 25

Mobility: 83 kph (forward), 83 kph (reverse)

Concept 1

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Another South African prototype armoured car armed with the QF 77m HV cannon found on the Comet.

Basic Specs

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Armament: QF 77mm

Armour (frontal, mm): 24

Mobility: 105 kph (forward),~12 kph (reverse)

Rank 4

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Ratel 90

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South African Bus (armoured car) armed with a low velocity 90mm cannon firing HEAT and HE.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 90mm GT-2

Armour (frontal, mm): 20

Mobility: 106 kph (forward), 18 kph (reverse)

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Eland 90 Mk 7

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A domestically produced AML- 90, extensively modified for operations in the bush and open desert.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 90mm GT-2

Armour (frontal, mm): 10

Mobility: 90 kph (forward), 18 kph (reverse)

Springbuck MC-90

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A modern light armoured car developed as a replacement for the Eland. MC-90 is a prototype version using the Eland Mk 7 turret to keep costs down. Gameplay-wise would be essentially identical to Eland Mk 7

Basic Specs

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Armament: 90mm GT-2

Armour (frontal, mm): 12

Mobility: ~105 kph (forward), ~20 kph (reverse)

Class 1 RSA

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One of several vehicles constructed as a competitor for what would eventually become the Rooikat.

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Armament: 76mm RSA

Armour (frontal, mm): Unknown

Mobility: 104 kph (forward), ~30 kph (reverse)

Rank 6

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Rooikat Mk 1D

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South African 8x8 armoured car armed with a high velocity 76mm cannon firing APFSDS and HE

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Armament: 76mm GT-4

Armour (frontal, mm): 30

Mobility: 121 kph (forward), 37 kph (reverse)

Bismarck

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A German-South African vehicle built as a competitor for what would become the Rooikat project

Basic Specs

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Armament: 105mm GT-3

Armour (frontal, mm): 67

Mobility: 86 kph (forward), 35 kph (reverse)

Rooikat 105 (1992)

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Earliest version of the Rooikat 105, lacking the CITV found on the later version (the one currently in game).

Basic Specs

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Armament: 105mm GT-7

Armour (frontal, mm): 30

Mobility: 121 kph (forward), 37 kph (reverse)

Rooikat MTTD

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Rooikat with a prototype autoloaded, high survivability turret. Could be given a faster autoloader + DM63 to differentiate it from the other 105s and place it at a higher BR.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 105mm GT-7

Armour (frontal, mm): 30

Mobility: 121 kph (forward), 37 kph (reverse)

Rank 7

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Badger 30

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South African produced Badger (modified Patria) armed with the Denel LCT-30 turret.

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Armament: Denel 30mm

Armour (frontal, mm): 20

Mobility: 101 kph (forward), 17 kph (reverse)

ASCOD LMT-105

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South African 105mm turret mounted on the Austrian/Spanish ASCOD IFV.

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Armament: 105mm GT-7

Armour (frontal, mm): ~30

Mobility: 70 kph (forward), 70 kph (reverse)

Mbombe 8x8 57

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Privately built by South African company Paramount Group, the Mbombe 8x8 is a multirole IFV, equipped with the 57mm AU-220M turret in this configuration.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 57mm AU-220M

Armour (frontal, mm): ~20

Mobility: 110 kph (forward), unknown (reverse)

Branch 3 (Tank Destroyers and ATGM Carriers)

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SARC Mk II (47mm)

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An early WW2 South African armoured car armed with a captured Italian 47mm.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 47mm M35

Armour (frontal, mm): ~10

Mobility: 80 kph (forward), ~15 kph (reverse)

SARC Mk III (47mm)

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Another early WW2 South African armoured car armed with a captured Italian 47mm.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 47mm M35

Armour (frontal, mm): ~10

Mobility: 80 kph (forward), ~15 kph (reverse)

Rank 2

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Sexton

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South African operated Sexton self-propelled artillery

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Armament: 25pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 15

Mobility: 39 kph (forward), 6 kph (reverse)

Rank 3

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M7 Priest

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South African operated M7 Priest self-propelled artillery

Basic Specs

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Armament: 105mm M2A1

Armour (frontal, mm): 13

Mobility: 39 kph (forward), 6 kph (reverse)

Sherman IB

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South African operated Sherman IB (M4 105)

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Armament: 105mm M4

Armour (frontal, mm): 63

Mobility: 42 kph (forward), 6 kph (reverse)

M10 Grouse

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South African operated M10 tank destroyer, known as the ‘Grouse’ in South African service.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 76mm M7

Armour (frontal, mm): 51

Mobility: 49 kph (forward), 5 kph (reverse)

Rank 4

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Mamba Sabre (M40)

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South African Mamba APC armed with a 106mm recoilless rifle

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Armament: 106mm M40

Armour (frontal, mm): ~10mm

Mobility: 120 kph (forward), ~20 kph (reverse)

Ratel 20

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South African bus (APC) armed with a 20mm autocannon and Milan ATGMs

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Armament: 20mm GI-2 & MILAN ATGM

Armour (frontal, mm): 20

Mobility: 106 kph (forward), 18 kph (reverse)

G6 Howitzer

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South African wheeled self-propelled artillery piece

Basic Specs

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Armament: 155mm G6 L/45

Armour (frontal, mm): 30

Mobility: 86 kph (forward), 8 kph (reverse)

Rank 5

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RG-34 (ALRRT-4M)

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South African 4x4 equipped with the ALRRT-4M turret (Armed, Long-Range, Reconnaissance Turret), armed with 4 ZT3 ATGMs.

Basic Specs

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Armament: ZT3A2 ATGM

Armour (frontal, mm): ~10mm

Mobility: 105 kph (forward), ~20 kph (reverse)

T-72M1 (T-6)

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South African T-72M1 (purchased from Poland) armed with the T6 155m artillery turret.

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Armament: L/45 155mm

Armour (frontal, mm): ~20mm (turret)

Mobility: 60 kph (forward), 5 kph (reverse)

Reva IV

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South African Reva 4x4 equipped with ZT-3 ATGMs and a 60mm mortar in the bed (the mortar may be useless in game)

Basic Specs

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Armament: ZT3A2 ATGM

Armour (frontal, mm): ~10mm

Mobility: 100 kph (forward), ~20 kph (reverse)

Rank 6

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iKlwa (ZT3/30)

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South African 4x4 armed with a 30mm autocannon, ZT3 ATGMs, and 40mm grenade launcher

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Armament: 40mm grenade launcher, 30mm autocannon & ZT3 ATGMs

Armour (frontal, mm): ~10

Mobility: 110 kph (forward), ~20 kph (reverse)

Scorpion Kastet

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A Jordnian modifcation to the Scorpion, utilising a 2A72 30mm Autocannon and quad Kornet ATGM launchers.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 30mm 2A72 & Kornet ATGMs

Armour (frontal, mm): 13

Mobility: 72 kph (forward), ~30 kph (reverse)

Rank 7

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RG41 (T7)

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A South African RG41 8x8 with a modern 105mm artillery turret.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 105mm LEO

Armour (frontal, mm): STANAG lvl 2

Mobility: 100 kph (forward), ~30 kph (reverse)

Rooikat ZT3/35

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A Rooikat equipped with the ZT3/35 export turret, armed with a 35mm autocannon and ZT3 ATGMs.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 35mm GA-35, ZT3 ATGMs

Armour (frontal, mm): 30

Mobility: 121 kph (forward), 37 kph (reverse)

Branch 4 (SPAA)

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SARC Mk II AA

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SARC Mk II with quad .303 Bren guns

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Armament: 4x .303 Bren

Armour (frontal, mm): ~10

Mobility: 80 kph (forward), ~15 kph (reverse)

SARC Mk II 20mm

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SARC Mk II with 20mm Breda cannon

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Armament: 20mm Breda

Armour (frontal, mm): ~10

Mobility: 80 kph (forward), ~15 kph (reverse)

Rank 2

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Morris 40mm Self Propelled

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South African operated Morris truck with a 40mm Bofors

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Armament: 40mm Bofors

Armour (frontal, mm): N/A

Mobility: 80 kph (forward), ~15 kph (reverse)

Rank 3

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Unimog ZPU-2

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South African Unimog with 2xKPV 14.5mm HMGs mounted on the rear

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Armament: 2x 14.5mm KPV

Armour (frontal, mm): N/A

Mobility: 85 kph (forward), 10 kph (reverse)

Ystervark

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South African 20mm SPAA mounted on a Buffel APC

Basic Specs

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Armament: 20mm GAI C01

Armour (frontal, mm): N/A

Mobility: 90 kph (forward), 13 kph (reverse)

Bosvark

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Captured ZU-2-23 AA mounted on a South African SAMIL-100 Kwêvol truck

Basic Specs

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Armament: 2x ZU-23

Armour (frontal, mm): N/A

Mobility: 101 kph (forward), 9 kph (reverse)

Rank 4

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Springbuck ZU-23-2

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Captured ZU-23-2 AA mounted on the Springbuck 4x4. Same firepower as the Bosvark without the turning circle of a cruise liner

Basic Specs

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Armament: 2x ZU-23

Armour (frontal, mm): N/A

Mobility: ~105 kph (forward), ~20 kph (reverse)

Eland 20

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Eland armoured car with a 20mm SPAA turret.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 20mm F2

Armour (frontal, mm): 10

Mobility: 90 kph (forward), 18 kph (reverse)

Rank 5

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RG31 Ibululu

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Remote control 30mm weapons station on the bed of a RG31 truck. Anti-ground capability would be limited via firing angle restrictions and ammunition selection.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 30mm 2A42

Armour (frontal, mm): ~15

Mobility: 100 kph (forward), ~20 kph (reverse)

ZA-35 IFT

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Earliest version of the ZA-35, tested fired without a radar, IR tracking, or commanders sight. Could potentially be added without stabilisers to limit anti-ground effectiveness.

Basic Specs

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Armament: 2x 35mm GA-35

Armour (frontal, mm): 30

Mobility: 121 kph (forward), 37 kph (reverse)

ZA-35

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South African twin 35mm radar equipped SPAA on the Rooikat chassis

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Armament: 2x 35mm GA-35

Armour (frontal, mm): 30

Mobility: 121 kph (forward), 37 kph (reverse)

Rank 6

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Marauder Lightweight Multirole Missile

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South African 4x4 equipped with 4x Thales Lightweight Multirole AA missiles. Can also be equipped with ATGMs but that would make the placement of this vehicle difficult

Basic Specs

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Armament: 4x LMM SAM

Armour (frontal, mm): ~10

Mobility: 110 kph (forward), ~20 kph (reverse)

BRDM-2 TEL (Kentron)

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Captured Angolan SA-9 SPAA, upgraded by South African company Kentron to integrate the SA-13 (Strela-10) missile on to the SA-9 BRDM-2 TEL (Transport Erector Launcher).

Basic Specs

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Armament: 2x Strela 10 SAM & 2x Strela 1 SAM

Armour (frontal, mm): ~10

Mobility: 100 kph (forward), ~20 kph (reverse)

Cactus SAM

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South African designation for the Crotale SPAA System, funded predominantly by SA and developed by Thomson-CFS

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Armament: 4x R440 SAM

Armour (frontal, mm): 3-5

Mobility: 70 kph (forward), ~20 kph (reverse)

Rank 7

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Cactus SAM (SAVH)

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Cactus SAM upgraded to fire the SAVH-3 RF-CLOS AA missile

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Armament: 4x SAVH-3 SAM

Armour (frontal, mm): 3-5

Mobility: 70 kph (forward), ~20 kph (reverse)

Rank 8

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G6-HVM

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Functional prototype SPAA launcher mounted on the G6 Howitzer chassis

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Armament: 8 x SAVH-3 SAM

Armour (frontal, mm): 30

Mobility: 86 kph (forward), 8 kph (reverse)

Branch 5 (Jordanian Sub-Tree)

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Marmon-Herrington Mk IVF

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Jordanian operated, South African built Marmon-Herrington Mk IVF armed with a 2 pdr cannon

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Armament: 2pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 6

Mobility: 85 kph (forward), 14 kph (reverse)

Rank 2

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Staghound Mk I

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British/American Staghound Mk I in Jordanian service, armed with the 2 pdr

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Armament: 2pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 22

Mobility: 88 kph (forward), 15 kph (reverse)

Staghound Mk III

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British/American Staghound Mk III in Jordanian service, armed with the QF 75mm (Lebanese Staghound Pictured. Lebanese Staghounds were gifted to the country after previously being in service with Jordan).

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Armament: QF 75m

Armour (frontal, mm): 22

Mobility: 88 kph (forward), 15 kph (reverse)

Rank 3

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Marmon-Herrington MkIV (6pdr)

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Jordanian Marmon-Herrington Mk IV with a lengthened turret housing a 6 pdr cannon.

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Armament: 6pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 6

Mobility: 85 kph (forward), 14 kph (reverse)

Rank 4

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Charioteer

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Jordanian operated 24 Charioteer tanks, bought from the UK following WW2.

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Armament: 20 pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 64

Mobility: 57 kph (forward), 4 kph (reverse)

M47M

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Jordanian M47Ms, with an upgraded Continental AVDS-1790-2A turbocharged diesel engine. The bow machine gun and associated crew member was removed to facilitate additional ammunition. M47 vehicles were captured from Iran and Iraq.

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Armament: 90mm M36

Armour (frontal, mm): 101

Mobility: ~60 kph (forward), ~20 kph (reverse)

M48

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Jordanian operated M48 Patton. Very minor modifications include a new commanders cupola and new mounting for the AA .50cal

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Armament: 90mm M41

Armour (frontal, mm): 110

Mobility: 46 kph (forward), 9 kph (reverse)

Rank 5

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M60

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Jordanian operated M60 Patton. Very minor modifications include a new commanders cupola and .50cal mounting.

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Armament: 105mm M68

Armour (frontal, mm): 93

Mobility: 48 kph (forward), 9 kph (reverse)

Tariq

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Jordanian domestic upgrade to the Centurion MBT, including an L7 105mm cannon, AVDS-1790 engine, new hydro pneumatic suspension, and FCS system with laser rangefinder

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Armament: 105mm L7

Armour (frontal, mm): 76

Mobility: 48 kph (forward), 9 kph (reverse)

Rank 6

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Khalid

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Jordanian Khalid, a modification of the British Chieftain with a new 1200hp engine.

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Armament: 120mm L11A5

Armour (frontal, mm): 86

Mobility: 56 kph (forward), 37 kph (reverse)

M60 Phoenix Level 2

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Jordanian M60 upgrade package developed in 2004, including a 120mm RUAG smoothbore cannon, ERA, and improved FCS.

Basic Specs

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Armament: RUAG L/50 120mm smoothbore

Armour (frontal, mm): 93 + ERA

Mobility: ~48 kph (forward), ~9 kph (reverse)

Centauro

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Italian made Centuaro 105 in service with the Jordanian Army.

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Armament: OTO Melara 105/52

Armour (frontal, mm): 35

Mobility: 120 kph (forward), 23 kph (reverse)

M60 Phoenix Level 3

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Jordanian M60 upgrade package developed as an improvement to the previous M60 Phoenix, including a 120mm RUAG smoothbore cannon, composite armour, and improved FCS.

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Armament: RUAG L/50 120mm smoothbore

Armour (frontal, mm): 93 + composite

Mobility: ~48 kph (forward), ~9 kph (reverse)

Rank 7

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Al-Hussein

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Jordanian operated ex-British Challenger 1 MBTs. Almost all of Britains stock was sold to Jordan following the introduction of the Challenger 2

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Armament: 120mm L11A5

Armour (frontal, mm): 80 + classified composite

Mobility: 56 kph (forward), 37 kph (reverse)

Rank 8

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Al-Hussein Falcon

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Al-Hussein MBT with prototype ‘Falcon’ turret, an unmmaned autoloaded turret armed with the 120mm RUAG smoothbore jointly developed between Jordan and South Africa

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Armament: RUAG L/50 120mm smoothbore

Armour (frontal, mm): 80 + classified composite

Mobility: 56 kph (forward), 37 kph (reverse)

Al-Hussein Hybrid II

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Jordanian modification to the Al-Hussein MBT, incorporating the RUAG 120mm smoothbore (can you tell that they love this cannon?). Also includes modifications to the turret to house 1 peice ammunition, as well as improvements to the FCS.

The ‘II’ designation indicates the vehicle has received an additional armour package to the turret front.

Basic Specs

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Armament: RUAG L/50 120mm smoothbore

Armour (frontal, mm): 80 + classified composite

Mobility: 56 kph (forward), 37 kph (reverse)

Leclerc Zayed

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Jordanian operated Leclerc MBT, gifted from the UAE. Uses a 1500hp diesel engine and CLARA ERA side armour, as well as additional improvements

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Armament: 120mm GIAT CN120-26 F1

Armour (frontal, mm): 80 + classified composite

Mobility: 72 kph (forward), 72 kph (reverse)

Branch 6 (Premiums etc)

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SARC Mk VIII 2pdr

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Prototype WW2 South African armoured car. 1 built and tested

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Armament: 2pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): ~10

Mobility: ~80 kph (forward), ~14 kph (reverse)

Rank 2

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Staghound AEC

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Jordanian provided, Lebanese operated Staghound with AEC Mk III turret

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Armament: QF 75m

Armour (frontal, mm): 22

Mobility: 88 kph (forward), 15 kph (reverse)

Rank 3

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Concept 2

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A South African development, parallel to the Concept 3, for a 77mm armoured car.

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Armament: QF 77mm

Armour (frontal, mm): 25

Mobility: 75 kph (forward), ~15 kph (reverse)

Sherman IC Hybrid

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A Sherman IC Hybrid in South African Service

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Armament: 17pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 51

Mobility: 41 kph (forward), 5 kph (reverse)

Rank 4

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Charioteer (Lebanon)

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Lebanese operated Charioteer, gifted to the country by Jordan. Features and upgraded turret traverse and mounting for a .50cal rooftop MG.

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Armament: 20 pdr

Armour (frontal, mm): 64

Mobility: 57 kph (forward), 4 kph (reverse)

Ferret (M40)

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A South African Ferret armoured car with an M40 recoiless rifle mounted

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Armament: M40 106mm recoiless rifle

Armour (frontal, mm): 12

Mobility: 93 kph (forward), ~20 kph (reverse)

Rank 5

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Eland 90 Mk 7 Diesel Turbo

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An Eland Mk 7 modified with a 103hp Diesel Turbo engine for a modest increase in top speed.

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Armament: 90mm GT-2

Armour (frontal, mm): 10

Mobility: 85 kph (forward), 22 kph (reverse)

M60A1

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Jordanian operated M60A1, captured by Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war and donated to Jordan (Iranian M60 in Kubinka pictured)

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Armament: 90mm M41

Armour (frontal, mm): 110

Mobility: 46 kph (forward), 9 kph (reverse)

T-55 (Rhodesia)

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Rhodesian operated ex-Libyan, Polish built T-55s that were en-route to Angola before they were intercepted by South Africa. Quite a mouthful. South Africa operated the vehicles for evaluation before gifting them to Rhodesia, who deployed them in frontline service.

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Armament: 100mm D-10T

Armour (frontal, mm): 100

Mobility: 51 kph (forward), 8 kph (reverse)

Rank 6

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*Rooikat CVED

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Rooikat Mk 1 CVED (Combat Vehicle Electric-drive Demonstrator), equipped with an electrical drive instead. Allows instant torque, resulting in greater acceleration and neutral steering capabilities.

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Armament: 76mm GT-4

Armour (frontal, mm): 30

Mobility: 120 kph (forward), 37 kph (reverse)

Rooikat 105

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Rooikat upgraded with a 105mm cannon, marketed by South Africa for export

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Armament: 105mm GT-7

Armour (frontal, mm): 30

Mobility: 121 kph (forward), 37 kph (reverse)

Rank 7

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BMP-1 ZT3/30

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South African modified BMP-1, originally captured during the South African Border War. Features an unmanned turret with a 30mm autocannon and ATGMs. Unsuccessfully marketed to Algeria

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Armament: 30mm autocannon, ZT3 ATGMs, 40mm grenade launcher

Armour (frontal, mm): 19mm

Mobility: 66 kph (forward), 11 kph (reverse)

T-72M1 (ATE/IST)

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South African T-72M1, purchased from Poland, with upgraded thermal imaging, FCS, and hunter-killer capabilities.

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Armament: 125mm 2A46

Armour (frontal, mm): 110 + composite

Mobility: 60 kph (forward), 5 kph (reverse)

Tariq II

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Unmanned Falcon turret on a Tariq (modified Centurion) Chassis

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Armament: RUAG L/50 120mm smoothbore

Armour (frontal, mm): 76

Mobility: 48 kph (forward), 9 kph (reverse)

Al-Hussein Hybrid

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Jordanian modification to the Al-Hussein MBT, incorporating the RUAG 120mm smoothbore. Also includes modifications to the turret to house 1 piece ammunition, as well as improvements to the FCS.

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Armament: RUAG L/50 120mm smoothbore

Armour (frontal, mm): 80 + classified composite

Mobility: 56 kph (forward), 37 kph (reverse)

Why an independent South African tree?

South Africa’s current implementation as a British sub-tree is detrimental to both South African and British armour enthusiasts. South Africa has become the de-facto light tank line for GB, meaning that British light tanks that should have been in the game years ago are still absent (Saladin 90, Scorpion 90, Simba 90, Scimitar, etc etc). As well as this, it means the there is very little room remaining for South African vehicles, who have an abundance of domestic armoured cars, tanks destroyers, and heavily modified MBTs left to add.

Why a Jordanian sub-tree?

Jordan and South Africa, while not as close as say Sweden or Finland, do share a close relationship and have done for a considerable time.

In 1946, when Jordan as a country was formed, South Africa was integral to the defense of the fledging country, with the bulk of their armour being South African-built Marmon-Herrington armoured cars. During the Cold War, they shared a great deal of technology, co-developing the Falcon unmanned 120mm turret for the Challenger/Centurion tanks for example. Following the end of the South African embargo, in 1992, Jordan was the first Arab nation to re-establish diplomatic relations with South Africa.

In terms of vehicles, Jordan provides a unique selection of early armoured cars, as well as some heavily modified MBTs and IFVs that compliment South African vehicles well.

Missing Vehicles?

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A good tech-tree should contain unique vehicles representative of a nations military, supplemented by prototypes, export vehicles, or copy-paste only where necessary for gameplay. I’ve therefore tried to keep the copy-paste (both of domestic vehicles and of imported/lend-lease vehicles) to a minimum.

That being said, if you do have any vehicles you think would be good additions to the tech tree, feel free to put them below.

Implementation

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With South Africa already existing as a nation within Britain, there will be difficulties moving them to be an independent tech tree.

The two options to achieve this would be:

  • To ‘retire’ the existing South African vehicles in the British tree, so that they can still be played by players who have them researched but for future players they will be moved to the new tech tree (this is how it was handled with the Swedish Centurion in the British tree when Sweden was introduced, or the Italian planes in the German tree when Italy was introduced).

  • To remove the vehicles from the British tree and transfer full ownership to the independent tech tree, giving players who have them researched a head start in the new tree. This would prevent the British tree from becoming bloated but it may be controversial.

Please let me know what you think about all of the above!

Sources

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South Africa in WW2

Republic of South Africa - Tank Encyclopedia

WW2 South African Tanks

South African Tank and AFVs (1950-2030)

https://www.saarmourmuseum.com/exhibits-cfvg

South African Olifant Mark I Main Battle Tank (1978)

South African Tanks

https://www.gf9.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=4419

Active Royal Jordanian Army Vehicles & Artillery (2024)

https://weaponsandwarfare.com/2018/10/08/34238/

https://rtm.jo/exhibition/

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I have been summoned.

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+1

ZA should have been its own tree.

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While I do think this is a very good tree, the fact both countries are already in the UK tree, means it’s not really a feasible choice now. So, +1 but I do think if Gaijin just expands the GB tree to include a few more branches that might work out better. It would certainly mean top-tier isn’t limited to only 2 12.0 MBTs, both of which are effectively copy-paste vehicles (with some minor changes) and not domestic ZA/JO designs.

Edit for some comments:

Wrong image, just fyi.

Have you thought about adding the TTD with the 120mm GT-6? The cannon was built and tested separately, never mounted. If there were genuine plans to mount it in the TTD other than just “yeah we want to” (i.e. blueprints, etc.) then it fits the definition of unfinished prototype and would be suitable.

There was also a 120mm low-recoil gun (GT-12) built and tested, and intended for the Rooikat, although I don’t know if this refers to the MTTD turret or something else.

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+1, looks great.

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Wrong image, just fyi.

Appreciate it, should be fixed now. Somehow the Jordanian Centurion had snuck in there.

Have you thought about adding the TTD with the 120mm GT-6? The cannon was built and tested separately, never mounted. If there were genuine plans to mount it in the TTD other than just “yeah we want to” (i.e. blueprints, etc.) then it fits the definition of unfinished prototype and would be suitable.

There was also a 120mm low-recoil gun (GT-12) built and tested, and intended for the Rooikat, although I don’t know if this refers to the MTTD turret or something else.

So far only I’ve only included vehicles that were completed (fully functioning) in the tech tree. In my opinion it gives more credibility to the tree than including unfinished what ifs/mock-ups.

And as far as I’m aware, there are no known finalised drawings for the 120mm in the TTD turret.

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Jordan is not a sub nation of Britain. A single Jordanian tank that is modified from a British one is in the British tree. That is all.

Fair enough.

What about the following additions:

  • Rooikat Predator
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    • Surprised you don’t already have this as it’s a Jordanian/South African co-development. Also noticed you don’t have the Ratel ZT3A2?
  • Rooikat ICV
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    • Rooikat with Ratel 20 turret, basically
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  • Ratel with LCT35 turret

  • T-55LD
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  • Rhodesian Polish-built T-55. Would work best as a premium imo. Not South African but given the very close relations between the two countries, plus the fact these T-55s were intercepted by ZA on their way to Angola, and given to Rhodesia, it makes sense

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  • Rooikat with electric-drive, allows it to neutral steer. Good premium/event counterpart to the regular Mk. 1D

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A massive +1 from me, we can get a proper South African vehicles with Jordanian representation while freeing up space for the UK TT to either have a subtree of a nation that the UK has closer/more consistent ties with (Australia &/or Canada) or ideally a dedicated UK LT line

That being said there are a couple of mistakes and omissions of vehicles

Mistakes/Errors

  • Mbombe 8x8 57: The image you shown is of a Barys 8x8 which is a Joint South African-Kazakh venture with the 57mm as one of the turret options it can use. The Jordanians are also planned to not only purchase Mbombe’s but also build their own under license

The Barys like with the Mbombe is based off also has a 6x6 variant

  • Tariq II: Technically correct however a better name for it would be Tariq II Falcon or just Tariq Falcon for clarification

  • TTD: Again technically correct however it also be called either the TTD 105, Loggim 105 or Loggim Prototype since the production model is supposed to have a 120mm cannon developed by Lyttleton Engineering Works however the gun was never mounted on the TTD due to the Loggim being canned. As a side note, the Rooikat MTTD is also going to receive the LEW 120 as well if it was accepted into production

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Missing vehicles

  • Temsah APC: Not to be confused with the family of Egyptian wheeled APC’s/MRAP’s that shares the same name, essentially it’s a APC that shares the same chassis as the Al-Hussein, can either mounted a RCWS consisting of a GIAT 20mm autocannon or the Predator Turret

  • Ratel 23-2 Jordanian Ratel that uses the same turret that the BTR-94 utilizes. Jordan also briefly operated BTR-94’s before gifting them to Iraq

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  • Various Unimogs: South Africa and in extension used a lot of Unimogs during the Bush and Border war mounted with various weapons including KPV-T HMG’s, 20mm Oerlikon Cannon and recoilless rifles including the M40A1 and various captured Soviet recoilless rifles

  • Casspir K Car: First successful South African MRAP that is highly modular. The one specific variant i advocate for is the K Car with the M40A1 recoilless rifle. One other thing the K Car can have a 20mm autocannon as a secondary armament

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  • And so many more

That is not including adding vehicles that Namibia, South Rhodesia/Rhodesia Zimbabwe and Botswana operates which can very easily added to the TT either as premiums or filler vehicles

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You mean Rooikat Diddy

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Both sould stay as a subtree in UK. On their own, these countries are not interesting enough. Even now It’s rare to see anyone playing rooikats, olifant or TTD. They are good filler to UK and that’s it

How i would edit it:
South africa + african nations like ethiopia, nigeria etc(african tt)
Jordan+iran+saudi and arabian nations etc(arab world TT)

No! just, No.

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Jordan is not a sub nation.

Thanks for the vehicles!

Do you have any information on the Rooikat Predator turret not being a mockup? So far the sources I have read have been very mixed on it.

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Ah, seems not, sadly.
https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/2004-05-29/0921200750.html

“While the turret has been installed on the Lynx [Rooikat] and the Alligator [Temsah], it has not yet been fully integrated and is not ready for full weapon system testing.”

Appreciate it!

The Temsah APC especially is very iffy about whether or not it is functional. It’s based on a very heavily modified Centurion chassis that has been flipped backwards (you can see the engine deck and drive wheel are at the front of the Temsah), so it will need to have been completely refitted with a new engine and transmission etc to even have basic mobility, none of which is documented, and I don’t think its ever been demoed non-statically, which is not a good sign.

As well as this, one of the turret options for it (the Predator) is most likely a mock-up, but I believe the Swarm turret was functional.

What I think is a Saudi VBL Panhard with Ingwe ATGMs. Not sure who made the turret, if it was a ZA venture then it could fit in the tree.

Thanks! There’s actually a similar South African 4x4 - the Reva - which was fitted with the same turret, which will be in the tree when I finalise the first update

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Looks like a great techtree! +1

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