Piment1
August 3, 2026, 3:20pm
7000
Gamemode: Air Realistic
Vehicles: Harrier GR.7 & Tornado GR.4
BR Change: 12.3 → 12.0
Reasoning:
Flight performance and payload are extremely suboptimal when dealing with planes in the 12.3-13.3 bracket.
The two IRCCM-capable AIM-9Ms are the only thing that keeps these aircraft from being entirely unplayable, and you may say they justify keeping those aircraft at 12.3, but let’s remember that the Su-39, with its onboard IRCM, varied / extensive payload AND R-73 IRCCM-capable missiles sits at…
Shameless self promotion but I figure this is in the interest of most people engaging in this thread
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oh are we self promoting?
Buckle up boys (just the UK relevant ones)
Ground RB
FV214 Conqueror Mk.2
7.7 → 7.3
Remove Stabiliser
Add missing addon armour parts
Reduce Reload
the changes above would remove the ahistorical stabiliser from Conqueror, and make it more bearable to play, while giving FV4202 a vehicle to join it
Wasp HAS Mk.1, Wessex HU Mk.5
9.0 → 8.7
these are not good helis and as we lack a lineup at 9.0 we are forced to use them at 9.3, where Missile SPAAs become common to see, and these have no answer
B-29A, Washington B.1
Air RB and Air Sim
7.0 → 6.7
Neither of these are good by any regard at 7.0, moving them to 6.7 would atleast give them a chance, and to re-evaluate their BRs in time
air RB
Seafire LF Mk.III
5.0 → 4.3
It has only ~30 hp more power, but is slower and overheats worse compared to the Mk.IX at 4.3
Ground RB
Harrier GR.7
12.0 → 11.7
It has no CAS advantage over the Harrier T.10, and lowering its BR will allow it to be used with the 11.7 lineup, and not overlooked by the Griper, Tornado GR.4 or Typhoon in the 12.7 lineup
Valentine IX (9)
3.0 → 3.0
Correct its gun to the correct 6Pdr Mk.V and not the incorrect Mk.III
(Currently the VIsual model is correct, this will be just a stat change)
With the Mk.XI (11) moving up, it should recieve the better gun, as to further differentiate it from Mk.XI
Centurion Mk.10, Strv 101
8.0 → 8.0 (no change)
Add L52A1 APDS (Slpprj m/66)
They are not all that excellent at 8.0, adding a better APDS round will help this
Ground RB
ZT3A2
8.3 → 8.7
Add fire on the move capability
Ground RB
Ystervark
4.0 → 4.3
It’s a fairly good SPAA, when it went down to 4.0 a while back i was suprised
Ground RB
Crusader AA Mk. II
4.0 → 3.3
It is not a good SPAA how it made it to 4.0 is beyond me
Ground RB
AEC AA
3.7 → 3.0 it is a terrible SPAA, and should not be this high
Air RB
Welkin F.1
4.7 → 4.3
It isn’t too good or ergonomic to use, it could do with a tad of a BR decrease due to the potency of 5.7 aircraft
Air RB
Sea Harrier FA.2
13.0 → 12.7
This is likely the single worse FOX-3 Slinger in the whole game, it is not comparable to even its brother the AV-8B+
It desperately needs to go down in BR
Ground RB
Valentine I
2.7 → 2.3
IT never should have gone up in BR in teh first place, it gets a peashooter, extremely poor mobility, and armour that is not effective against most threats it fights
Ground RB
Concept 3
4.7 → 5.0
Add APDS
With the Churchill VII moving up, it would be nice to give it a light auxiliary to go with it
Ground RB
A30 Avenger
4.7 → 5.0
Add APDS
In addition to being very good, with the Churchill VII moving up, it would be nice to keep it as a part of the lineup
Ground RB
Firefly (Sherman Vc)
4.7 → 5.0
Add APDS
Keep it in league with the Churchill VII and to scratch the itch of not having an APDS firefly in the british tree
FV4030/3
10.0 → 9.7
Remove Incompatible L23 APFSDS, it predates the introduction of L23 and thus won’t have the stowage for it
Ground RB
Badger
9.0 → 8.7
Since the Chieftain 10 and 900, and Rooikat MTTD moved up it is without a lineup, and is also not particularly good either
Ground RB
FV102 Striker
8.3 → 8.0
It isn’t particularly good and is very niche, this will help it perform
Ground RB
FV438 Swingfire
8.0 → 7.7
It isn’t good and is extremely niche, this will help it perform
Air RB
Phantom FGR.2, F-4J(UK)
12.0 → 12.0
add AIM-9L, these Phantoms are at a disadvantage to the US phantoms of the same BR, this would compensate for it
Air RB
Phantom FG.1
12.0 → 11.7
It isn’t that good
Ground RB
Rapier
9.7 → 10.0
It is a perfectly serviceable SPAA, I have been playing it at 10.7 a lot recently, and it is still very good there It no longer suffers from its missile being terrible
Consider adding its missing .50’s
Ground RB
Vickers Mk.1
8.0 → 8.3
Since the engine buff, this thing has become extremely good
Consider adding L52A1 APDS or HEAT to it, such as the Vijayanta has
Groud RB
Skink
5.3 → 4.7
It really is not a good SPAA, the Polstens are near useless against aircraft of the BR
Ground RB
Stormer AD
10.0 → 9.7
It does not provide any upgrade over the Gepard 1A2 also at 9.7
Hawk 200 RDA
11.3 → 11.0
No other changes
OR
11.3 → 11.3
Add missing 2 Skyflashes
THe Hawk 200 RDA isn’t particularly good, ive been spading it recently, and you are only able to get kills with Skyflashes, the 9Ls have limited effectiveness from this platform at the BR
Ground RB
All 11.7 Challenger 2s
(Challenger 2, Challenger 2 2F, Challenger 2 TES, Challenger 2 OES)
11.7 → 11.7
Remove L23A1 as the stock shell , and replace it with L26A1, like you have done with Challenger 2 Black Night and Challenger 2E
L23A1 is not a suitable stock ground at that BR, and L26A1 is equal to other stock ground at the BR such as 3BM42 or M829
Air RB,
Vampire FB.5
8.0 → 7.3
This thing is miserable to play, and has less thrust spaded than all other vampires have stock
Air RB
Venom FB.4
8.7 → 8.3
While a good plane, it is no match for a Lim-5 of F-86F-2, its equivalents are 8.0 or 8.3
Ground RB
Churchill I
3.3 → 3.0
It does not provide a significant upgrade over the B1 Ter but should remain slightly higher due to the better main gun
Ground RB
Cromwell I
3.7 → 4.0
As to keep the Cromwell I with the Mk.V keeping a good lineup,
like the Churchill III, the gun is incorrect
the Cromwell I should have the 6 Pdr Mk.V and not the current Mk.III in game (the Visual model is correct for the Mk.V gun, it will be only a stat change)
Ground RB
Churchill Mk.III,
4.0 → 3.7
It isn’t significantly good at 4.0, and doesnt fit well in the meta
In addiiton you can make it’s gun the correct 6 pdr Mk.III, and not the incorrect Mk.V in game (the visual model is already correct for the 6pdr Mk.III)
Khalid
9.3 → 9.7
Reduce reload to 6s
This thing is obscene at 9.3, and is a significant upgrade over the Chieftain 900, it should go up, and should also recieve the reload buff other chieftains should get
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Rambolf
August 3, 2026, 3:41pm
7003
Maybe a cheeky warrior csp revival
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A lot of good stuff, but moving the entire 4.7 lineup to 5.0 is a staggeringly bad idea. I get that people glaze the Mk.VII now because of APHE but it’s by far the weakest vehicle in the lineup and nothing is lost by it being uptiered. All you accomplish is condemning the lineup to even more brutal uptiers and give them a near worthless APDS round as compensation.
The Cromwell too. Your reason to move it up is…because the other one did. You act as if the game doesn’t let you put a 3.7 and a 4.0 in the same lineup, and the Cromwells have to be in the same lineup or the world will explode. Better yet your very next suggestion is moving the Churchill Mk.III down to the 3.7 lineup you just neutered.
Vehicle: FV4005
Mode: GRB
Change: 6.3 > 6.0 6.3 and Top Speed Fix
Although a reduction in the br of this vehicle would be welcome, a much better change to improve its effectiveness would be to fix its top speeds in line with the other centurion mk3 hull users too, those vehicles were fixed previously and FV4005 was unfortunately missed from those changes.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/qsZnz6HPouul
Vehicle: Spitfire MK14e
Mode: ARB
Change: Recieve 150 Octane Fuel and a BR change of 5.7 → 6.3
We have a lot of 5.7 and 6.7 spitfires in game.
mk24 is often bouncing between 6.7 and 7.0. It would be nice to see the mk14’s gain their historical 150 octane and fill a gap rather than maintaining the br congestion of 5.7 spitfires.
With the expected increase of the Mk 9 LF to 6.0 i think this would offer a nice spread of spitfires and br’s.
Guess i’ll push mine too aha
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Doesn’t the L26 not exist as it goes against the naming scheme? If anything, it should be called L26A1 if the performance is identical
L23 is the one that actually don’t exist
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L26 in game is L26A1
its just misnamed
“L23” in game is fake (I think its based off of XL23E1 or something similar in game)
“L23A1” is the actual real round
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I already use it at 9.7-107 so it wouldn’t change much for me.
Also the AJAX is somewhat fun. Its basically a slightly better Strf9040
Morvran
August 3, 2026, 7:09pm
7010
Beyond the obvious problems of things like the missing spall liners. My ONLY complaint about it is the god damn fixed 6x zoom.
What could of been:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/8ml6DeUatT1S
After that, wouldnt say no to getting the addon ERA as an optional mod, sure, slows it down even more, but just ultra lean into the survivability of it as its not exactly fast to begin with
The fact you can still to this day kill the commander with .50 cal through the mantlet is deeply upsetting.
(that and the incorrectly modelled rear indicator and random disc sticking out of the commander’s sight which will forever haunt me)
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Morvran
August 3, 2026, 7:33pm
7012
Yeah, needs a good deal of polish, but its not overall that bad, certainly not as bad as I was expecting for Gaijin to make it
make a suggestion or beg the devs to implement 1x gunner sights then, alteast then we can have 1x-6x
Also sadly that would extend to Chally 3 too
Morvran
August 3, 2026, 7:43pm
7014
It is tempting… or they can just start accepting FoV with reasonable guidelines for how to do it
Good way to get it down to 11.3 I guess
that’s not possible, if i place my hand around my eyes i go from 1x zoom say 190 degree FOV, but if i place my hands in front of my eyes, its 1x zoom with say 20 degree FOV
Its just physically not possible, FOV and zoom are not directly linked
Morvran
August 3, 2026, 7:49pm
7016
Unless they set some preset data points, like dictating a fixed focal length for min and max figures and apply that to the FoV.
Anything that adds bulk is a MUST for me, I NEED MORE ARMOUR!.
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Morvran
August 3, 2026, 8:04pm
7018
Ive tanked more hits in the Ajax than I feel I should have (dont tell gaijin, it will be made out of paper mache by next week)
With ERA, armour fixes and spall liners, it could be a genuinely quite survivable light tank
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I am enjoying the ajax finally, but want i really want for the uk is a wheeled 120mm of a fast tracked 120mm like the centauro’s and booker.
Having to bring the MTTD to dop tier isnt great, would love an MTTD with all its theoretical upgrades it could have like its aps but i guess that would be in the realm of the ho ri.
Id take that or an class 3(p) with the oliphant mk2b turret.