Expanded List of Indonesian Vehicles - Ground

Note: This is not a suggestion for the Indonesian Ground vehicles, if you want to see that you can visit it on the link below. This is meant to be a compilation of images and brief description to describe a majority of Indonesian vehicles which aren’t included in the suggestion

With the Indonesian Ground suggestion being passed to the devs a while back, and now that we’re seeing more Indonesian vehicles being implemented to the game. I feel its worth it to explore and take a look at almost all of the ground vehicles that we can being implemented. Of course some vehicles are omitted, either due to a lack of evidence or the fact that the vehicle has been described in detail in the Suggestion post, as such if you want to see them, feel free to check the suggestion above.

As previously mentioned, this post is not a suggestion post. Instead this can be described as a list of visual examples to show the wide range of vehicles used, purchased, trialed, modified, or domestically produced by Indonesia. As such I wont go too much in depth for these vehicles. For completeness sake though, this list will also include Copy&Pasted vehicles, and they will be marked with “⬠”.

The showcased list is still being worked on and will be updated. As such, it may not be 100% complete or accurate. So if you have any additions, corrections, or some helpful additional & relevant images, please feel free to contribute in the comments below.

Compiled List/Tree Image V10.9b

Total Vehicle: 88 (+9 future vehicles)

Vehicles already mentioned and described in the Ground Suggestion (thus omitted from this post):

  • Leopard 2RI
  • Harimau MT (Prototype/Production)
  • Komodo CPWS
  • Cobra IFV
  • Komodo Mistral Atlas
  • AMX-13/Yonkav 2 LT (Production)
  • Badak FSV (Late Production)
  • AMX-10P PAC-90
  • PT-76(M)
  • E.B.R. model 1951
  • M3A3 Stuart
  • M4A3(75)

Proofreading by : @Indo_Pilot



Images and descriptions of vehicles:



RANK I

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⬠ LVT (A)-4

Amtrak LVT Howitzer armed with the M8’s turret with the 75mm Howitzer. Same as In-game. Formerly belonging to the Dutch’s Koninklijke Marine. They were then transferred to the Indonesian Marines (KKO AL) after the Round Table Conference. It was said that Indonesia also received the LVT(A)-1 but no images of it exists

⬠ M3A1 Stuart


Same as in game. Armed with a 37mm M6 gun with a roof mounted 7.62mm MG. Formerly belongs to the Dutch. They were given after the Round Table Conference. The Stuarts participated in many different combat operations as well as participating in war films of the National Revolution.

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⬠ M8 LAC


Same as in game. 37mm M6 & with the roof mounted .50 cal equipped (though sometimes its removed). Originally operated by the Army then transferred to the Indonesian Police. Was used by the Mobile Brigade Corps.

M8 Greyhound: “Bangkitnya” Ranpur Brimob Polri dari Era Perang Dunia II

⬠ Humfox

Suggestion Page: Humfox MK I

Hull of a Fox Armored Car and a Humber Mk.IV 37mm M5/M6 gun turret. Originally used by the Dutch, then inherited by the Indonesian Army. Difference from the Humber can be seen with the lack of tow hooks near the front fenders on the side of the hull. Another key difference is in the headlights, the Humber’s headlights is much closer to its hull compared to the Humfox

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⬠ Humber Mk.IV

Suggestion Page: Armoured Car, Humber Mark IV

British Humber Armored Car, equipped with the 37mm M5/M6 gun. Formerly belongs to the Dutch.

Humber (Mod)

Indonesian modification of the original Humber Mk.IV. The Indonesians moved the turret headlamp to the side of the turret rather than being infront. Additionally the smoke grenades has been removed and in its place is a box of ammunition for a roof-mounted Vickers MG

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⬠ Chi-ha


Same as the 57mm version in-game. Obtained by the Indonesian Youths in Surabaya. Currently displayed in the Brawijaya Museum. Could’ve been armed with the QF-6 pounder naval gun as it is displayed at the museum, but not exactly 100% confirmed

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Morris C8 Mk.III (Type 89 Flexible)

Captured Morris C8 from the dutch armed with the Type 89 Flexible dual 7.7mm Machine gun, which is often used on the rear gunner seat of a Japanese aircraft. The gun seems to have been mounted on a circular ring mount in the middle of the Truck. This vehicle was showcased during a parade in 1948 in Yogyakarta

Land Rover Defender (Twin .50 cal)

Relatively newer (late 2000s) alternative as an SPAA. 2x .50 AN/M2 browning mounted on a Land Rover Defender Chassis. Not a whole lot of information, but with its blue license plate, they’re presumably operated by the Indonesian Air Force’s Kopasgat, which has a role in protecting the Air Force’s Airfields.



RANK II

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⬠ M3A3 Stuart

Omitted, already described in the subtree suggestion

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⬠ M4A3E8 (105)

similar as the one in game, difference is that it has no gun mantlet and it has what looks like a 7.62mm Vickers watercooled mg on the loader’s side. The M4A1 was also mentioned but it doesn’t have any clear images or definitive proof of its existance, and as such only the 105 is being showcased here. They were transfered by the Dutch Marines to the Indonesian Marines (KKO) and all 9 of the shermans were eventually scrapped leaving only 1 T14E1 ARV in Bandung

–=SPG=–

PT-76 TAPIR

Suggestion Page: PT-76 Roket (TAPIR): Indonesian PT-76B with a BM-14/17 MLRS Launcher


Indonesian PT-76B with the gun removed and turret modified to carry a BM 14/17 MLRS Launcher on top

⬠ BM 14/17


Soviet 140mm MLRS. The rocket launcher is already ingame on the Pr.1204 late Coastal Ship. 4.2kg explosive mass. Was operated by the Indonesian Marines

⬠ RM-51

Czechoslovakian 32x 130mm Rocket Launcher. The rocket launcher is mounted on a Praga V3S truck 6x6 truck. Used by the Indonesian Army from 1976 till recently. Was used in the Invasion of East Timor. HE rockets can hit targets up to 8.2km.

RM-51 (Retrofit)



Same rocket launcher, but switching of the Truck cab. From the original Praga V3S switched to the REO M35A2 trucks



RANK III

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⬠ PT-76B


Same as the one in-game. Operated by the Indonesian Marines

⬠ PT-76B (DShK)




Indonesian modification of the standard PT-76B with the addition of a 12.7mm DShK for use in combat operations in East Timor. The reason its marked with the pentagon is because there’s already a PT-76A, just with a different DShK mounting location

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⬠ E.B.R. (1951)

Omitted, already described in the subtree suggestion

E.B.R. (Madsen-Saetter .50 HMG)


Similar to the EBR (1951) in-game. With the difference being the addition of a .50 cal Madsen-Saetter Machine gun HMG situated above the gun mantlet

–=SPAAG=–

Isuzu NPS (Type 85 Giant Bow)


Isuzu NPS truck mounted with the Type 85 Giant Bow (Chinese Reverse-enginereed ZSU-23-2) Basically functions similarly to the ZSU-23-2 Trucks we have.

REO M35 (Zastava M55)

Suggestion Page: REO M35 (M55) - The Mobile Triple Zastava

REO M35 truck mounted with the 20mm Zastava M55 Triple Gun.



RANK IV

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⬠ AMX-13/75 Mle 51


Original version of the AMX-13/75 (Type 2D chassis) that was bought by Indonesia. Performs the same as the one in-game.

⬠ AMX-13/75 Mle 51 (SM1)



Indonesian upgrade to the AMX-13s to be up to the standard of the SM1 (Singapore Modernized 1) Package. Detroit Diesel DDA GM6V-53T engine, ZF 5WG-180 Automatic Transmission, and hydropneumatic “Dunlopstrut” Suspension. But without the upgraded gunner sights.

  • Robinson, M. P., Lau, P., & Gibeau, G. (2017). The AMX 13 Light Tank: A Complete History. Pen & Sword Military.
  • Lau, P., Gibeau, G.,The AMX 13 Light Tank : Rare photographs from wartime archives. Barnsley, South Yorkshire.

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Gaz-69 (Recoilless)

Gaz-69 Truck mounted with what looks like the M20 Recoilless Rifle. Used by Indonesian UN Peacekeepers during the Congo Crisis

Jeep C-7 (LRAC 89)

French 89mm LRAC 89 MPATS mounted on a Jeep C-7 Truck. Multiple-use rocket launcher. 400mm of flat HEAT pen

⬠ FV601 Saladin

Suggestion Post: Alvis Saladin - Indonesia’s Old-Fashioned Armoured Vehicle


Standard FV601 Saladin. Wheeled Armored Car. 76mm L5A1, HE & HESH. Crew of 3, can go up to 72km/h

⬠ FV601 Saladin (Retrofit)

Suggestion Post: Alvis Saladin (Type-160T) - Indonesia’s refurbished Old-Baked Armoured Vehicle

Domestically-retrofitted Saladin. Retrofit includes changing the engine from a gasoline engine to a diesel engine (Perkins Phaser Diesel 160T 160hp/2600rp). Transmission is kept the same but the ratio is changed. As a result range is increased, weight is also increased from 10,9 tons to 11,6 tons. But the max speed decreased to 70km/h. Also the addition of turret periscopes similar to the Indonesian Scorpions. Winch was also added.

⬠ ERC-90 F1 Lynx

ERC-90 with the turret of the AML-90. Was trialed/tested in the Cavalry Education Center in Padalarang West Java. The vehicle also appears in Yogyakarta in 1979. The vehicle most likely arrived around the same timeframe as the AMX-10Ps. The vehicle was unfortunately not adopted for service.

Anoa PK20 (20mm)



Anoa Prototype with the PK20 (LCT-20) turret from South Africa. 20mm Denel GI-2 gun (same as the Ratel 20), 7.62mm coax. Day/night sight. Thermals. Has roof-mount for MG (prototype wasnt equipped with one but the mount is there). Can use NATO standard 20x139mm ammunition (HEI, HEI-T, APIT, APHEI, APHEI-T, APDS, APDS-T)

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SBS LT (20mm)


Domestic SBS Light Tank mounted with a Rh202 Naval Mount, manually controlled by the gunner. Open-top

⬠ AMX-10P Marine


AMX-10P (Toucan II) 20mm with improved amphibious capabilities & modified propulsion system for the Indonesian Marines’ needs, improving the speed in water to 10km/h from 7km/h. Functionally Identical to the one already in-game.

–=SPG=–

⬠ Meriam 105 GS



Casemate AMX Mk.61 Howitzer, Known in the Army as the Meriam 105mm GS (Cannon, 105mm, Self-Propelled). longer 30 calibre version of the Obusier de 105 M1950. Can fire HE (50x rounds) & HEAT (6x Rounds). Roof-mounted 7.62mm M60 MG. SOFAM8Gxb Engine (250hp). 60km/h top speed.

⬠ M109A4-BE


Formerly belongs to the Belgians (where the name came from). 155mm L/39 Howitzer M185. Similar to the M109A1 ingame but the A4 version has NBC protection as well as changing the traverse mechanism’s clutch from electric mechanism as on the earlier versions to hydraulics. They also added a manual override for the traverse & a second hydraulic filter.

⬠ RM-70/RM-70 Vampire




Czechoslovak variant of the BM-21 Grad MLRS. 122mm rockets, original variant with the armored cab, Vampire has standard truck cab and no armor

⬠ Type 90B


MLRS platform. 122mm rockets, variant of the BM-21 mounted on a North-Benz 2629 6x6 platform

R-HAN 122B (All truck variants)



Domestic Indonesian rocket launcher system. 122mm Rockets. 64kg weight, 18kg weight of warhead. Solid Propellant fuel. Mach 2.95 max speed. Similar to the Czech’s RM-70 MLRS. Three different variants, one with 40x rockets, one with 24x rockets and the last one is called the DS-240 Arjuna and is still under development.



RANK V

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⬠ Scorpion 90

Suggestion Post: Scorpion 90: A Modernized British Legend

Alvis FV101 Scorpion armed with the 90mm Cockerill MK3-A1 cannon. The Vehicle was chosen in the late 90s after it was trialed alongside vehicles like the SK105 & the Wiesel 1/2. Weight of 8 tons. Though it can fire APFSDS the ammunition selection for the Indonesian Army only includes HE, HEAT, HESH, & Smoke.

PT-76(M)

Omitted, already described in the subtree suggestion

⬠ Marder 1A3



Standard Marder 1A3 as the one ingame. Although in Indonesian service its ATGM isnt equipped. The Indonesian Army does have the MILAN although they’ve rarely showcased it (only 1 known image). Obtained alongside the Leopards.

⬠ AMX-13/105-57 Mle 58

AMX-13 with a 105mm CN-105 57 Cannon. Originally obtained from the Dutch in the early 1980s. 130 Mle58 were obtained. They were overhauled by RDM & Wilton Fijennoord before delivery to Indonesia. Basically in-game it would be the hull of an AMX-13 with the turret&gun of the DF105

  • Robinson, M. P., Lau, P., & Gibeau, G. (2017). The AMX 13 Light Tank: A Complete History. Pen & Sword Military.

⬠ AMX-13/105-57 Mle 58 (SM1)

Indonesian upgrade to the AMX-13s to be up to the standard of the SM1 (Singapore Modernized 1) Package. Detroit Diesel DDA GM6V-53T engine, ZF 5WG-180 Automatic Transmission, and hydropneumatic “Dunlopstrut” Suspension. But without the upgraded gunner sights. unknown whether all AMX-13s received the upgrade or not, but both the 75mm & 105mm receive the same upgrade.

  • Robinson, M. P., Lau, P., & Gibeau, G. (2017). The AMX 13 Light Tank: A Complete History. Pen & Sword Military.
  • Lau, P., Gibeau, G.,The AMX 13 Light Tank : Rare photographs from wartime archives. Barnsley, South Yorkshire.

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⬠ BTR-80A

Same as the one ingame. Used by the Marine Corps but primarily used in the United Nations Peacekeeping missions abroad.

⬠ LAV-150 90mm MECAR



Standard V-150 Cadillac Gage Commando with the 90mm Turret. Used extensively by the Indonesian Army in combat operations. 58 units originally arived in mid-1970s through the “Giling Wesi” Project. 12 units were the 90mm L28 low-pressure MECAR gun (Officially called LAV-150 Mecar gun 90mm). Can fire HEAT, HEP-T (HESH) or APFSDS-T, although, just like the Scorpion 90, in Indonesian service the dart seems to be missing.

Anoa FSV (P)

Prototype of a Fire Support Vehicle based on the chassis of the Anoa APC (Showcased in November, 2008). Engine, transmission, suspension is the same as the Anoa APC. The hull is reworked with the turret of the CSE90 being planned to be put on the tank, although in actuality its the Scorpion 90 Turret instead. Can go 90km/h with its 6-cylinder 320hp engine. Armed with the 90mm Cockerill cannon.

Badak FSV (P) "Bee"


Reworked prototype of the Anoa FSV, precursor to the Badak FSV (showcased in December, 2011). This prototype was nicknamed “Bee”. “Bee”'s suspension is modified so that the third wheel on the rear has a space compared to the first two, compared to the Anoa FSV which has uniformed spaced wheels. Additionally there are also some changes made to the hull, but still very similar to the Anoa FSV, even still using the same Scorpion 90 turret.

Badak FSV (P2)



Late prototype/early pre-production version of the Badak (Circa 2015), notably it uses the early production Badak hull (exhaust on driver’s side, not engine’s side) with the Scorpion 90 turret.

–=SPAAG=–

⬠ Wiesel 1A4



German Wiesel 1A4 trialed in Indonesia in 1989-1990s alongside the SK105 & the Scorpion. Same as the one ingame. Both it and the SK105 did not enter service because the Scorpion 90 won the contract in 1994 and the German government supposedly blocked the export due to the Aceh Insurgency.

–=SPG=–

SBS MLRS (R-HAN 122B)


Pindad-made light tank based on the AMX-VCI. Armed with the already-mentioned R-HAN122B rockets. 16x rockets on a rotating and elevating mount, can fire straight forward unlike the other R-HAN122 launchers.

⬠ 155mm CAESAR

Long-range 155mm French Self-propelled howitzer. 4km Minimum firing distance, 42km max. Possible addition for the future if longer-range maps were to be implemented

⬠ Astros Mk.6

Suggestion Page: Avibrás Astros II

Brazillian Self-propelled Long-range MLRS. Can fire multiple calibre rockets, SS-09 (70mm), SS-30 (127mm), SS-40 (180mm), SS-60 & 80 (300mm), SS-150 & TM-300 (450mm). Warhead equipped with copper cone, can penetrate 20cm of armor. Possible addition for the future if longer-range maps were to be implemented



RANK VI

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⬠ AMX-13/105 G1 Mle 58 (SM1)

Basically the same as the Mle 58 (SM1) FL-12 but with a change in armament, it uses the CN 105 G1 rather than the standard CN 105 57, giving it access to the OFL 105 G1 APFSDS. Not all vehicles have this specific arrangement, as can be seen in the first image (CN-105 G1 Above, CN-105 57 below).

⬠ SK-105

Trialed SK-105 which lost to the Scorpion 90. Unknown variant but has the CN-105-G1 Cannon & night sight. It doesnt have any mount on the turret cheek for the IR Searchlight

⬠ AMX-13/Retrofit



Modified AMX-13 Jointly developed by Sabiex International (Belgium) & PT. Pentarona Indonesia (Indonesia). The vehicle was trialed by the Cavalry in 2011 but was not accepted for service. Type-2 chassis, Detroit Twostroke diesel water-cooled 6V53 engine (400hp). Automatic transmission. FL-12 turret with the CN-105-G1 Taken from the an SK105. Has a mount for night sight & LRF on the turret cheek but unknown whether its actually fitted during trials.

AMX-13/105 (Yonkav 2) Production

Suggestion Post: PT PINDAD AMX-13/105 Retrofit (Yonkav 2) - Indonesia’s modernization program for the aging AMX-13 fleet

Omitted, already described in the subtree suggestion

⬠ Scorpion 90 (Pussenkav)



Two different Scorpion 90 variants. Prototype modification conducted by the dislitbangad and another by the pussenkav (Army Research and Development Office & Cavalry Weapons Centre ). One was fitted with only a laser warning system, and the latter, and more interesting one, is fitted with a laser rangefinder and a 100mm & 25mm lens Thermal imager for both the gunner & commander respectively. The driver is also provided with a 19mm lens thermal camera. Gunner can lock & track moving ground targets

⬠ AMX-10P PAC-90

Omitted, already described in the subtree suggestion

⬠ BVP-2

Czechoslovakian-produced BMP-2. Functionally identical to the one ingame. Primarily used by the Marines Corps as a makeshift SPAA

⬠ BMP-3F

Functionally similar to the one ingame. Special variant of the bmp-3 with improved seaworthiness. Removed entrenching tool, added anti-surge vane on the turret & an air intake tube. Gunner’s sight is the later Belarussian SOZH-M

–=LIGHT TANKS (WHEELED)=–

⬠ BTR-4M Parus

Suggestion Post: BTR-4M - Indonesian Version of the BTR-4

Indonesian version of the BTR-4, improved seaworthyness with external floats, 30mm Parus turret. ATGM launcher is there but the ATGM itself isnt purchased.

Cobra 8x8 IFV

Suggestion Post: Cobra 8×8 IFV - The Indonesian Pandur II with Floats

Omitted, already described in the subtree suggestion

Tarantula 6x6

Suggestion Post: Tarantula 6×6 FSV (Doosan Black Fox) - A Second Chance Abroad After Domestic Rejection

Very similar in performance to the Badak FSV. South Korean produced vehicle tailored for Indonesian needs. 90mm Cockerill MK.3 A1. Roof MG mount can be mounted with STK 40 AGL

Badak FSV (Early)



Early production of the badak FSV, can be seen with the exhaust on the right-hand side of the hull across from the engine. It also lacks the additional armor plating of the later models

Badak FSV (Late)

Suggestion Post: Pindad Badak: The Charging Rhino

Omitted, already described in the subtree suggestion

–=SPAAG=–

RBS-70 Systems

Two different vehicle mounted with the RBS-70, one is a Land Rover Series III with a singular RBS-70, and the other is a PINDAD Komodo 4x4 with a dual RBS-70 launcher, no radar (technically can be equipped with the Giraffe1X but its only a mockup)

QW-3 Systems

Domestically made P6 ATAV LT mounted with a dual or singular QW-3 mount. Technically they can be paired with the TH-5711 Smart Hunter. The QW-3 can also be mounted on the Land Rover Hornet chassis

Grom Poprad SAM System


Sola MMSR Radar & Grom Poprad system mounted on a Polish-modified Huzar (Land Rover Defender). 3D radar can detect up to 40-50km range horizontal & 50-10000m vertical (up to 55 degrees). S-band radar and has IFF. The launcher vehicle is equipped with 4x (4x spare, 8 total) Polish PZR Grom IR missiles (based on the 9K38 Igla). 2-man crew, can operate independently without the radar. auto-target tracking at day & night. also equipped with FLIR & laser range finder as well as IFF.

Mistral SAM System



Mistral Coordination Post Radar vehicle, Sherpa MPCV & PINDAD Komodo 4x4 with an Atlas launcher. MCP has X-band radar manned by a single operator (+1 including driver). Can detect target up to 30km & height of up to 4km. Equipped with IFF. Mistral Atlas on the Komodo only has 2x missiles whereas the Sherpa MPCV has 4x missiles + 12.7mm M2B machine gun.MPCV is remote-controlled whereas the Atlas is manual. MPCV is also equipped with IFF, Gyro-stabilization, thermals, & laser rangefinder. All launcher vehicles can manually be operated without the radar vehicle.

⬠ TD-200B SAM System



Chinese SAM system. SR-74 Radar has a target range of 60km. QW-3 missile launchers can fire up to 7km range



RANK VII

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Harimau MT (Prototype/Production)

Suggestion Post: Pindad Harimau: Turkish-Indonesian Skirmisher

Omitted, already described in the subtree suggestion

–=MEDIUM TANKS=–

⬠ Leopard 2A4+



Internal modifications of the Leopard 2A4. Originally Swiss License-made Pz87. L/44 120mm. Effectively functions the same as the one ingame but with minor visual differences.

–=SPAAG=–

Starstreak SAM System

Suggestion Post: URO Vamtac (RAPIDRanger MMS): The Indonesia ForceShield

Starstreak SAM multi-vehicle system. all launcher can operate independently but has no radar without the SHIKRA/CM-200 radar vehicle. Launcher system include VAMTAC Rapidranger MMS with 4x remote-controlled Starstreak system

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–=SPG=–

Komodo 4x4 CPWS gen.2

Omitted, already described in the subtree suggestion

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RANK VIII

–=MEDIUM TANKS=–

Leopard 2RI

Omitted, already described in the subtree suggestion



Future Vehicles

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P8 LT (30mm)

P8 Light Tank, made to counter-drones, armed with a 30mm cannon as well as a 5-tube APKWS launcher. Still in development

AMX-13 (Modernization) (TR)

Leopard & AMX-13 Modernization, still early talks

BMP-3F (Slat Armor)

future BMP-3F modification with the additions of Armor plating and slat armor.

–=LIGHT TANKS (WHEELED)=–

⬠ Rabdan 8x8 IFV

Turkish-UAE IFV, BMP-3 turret. Is being looked at & discussed by the Indonesian Marines

–=MEDIUM TANKS=–

Leopard 2A4+ Retrofit (TR)

Leopard & AMX-13 Modernization, still early talks

–=SPAAG=–

P2 Tiger (20mm RCWS)

APC with 20mm Cannon, still in development with the RCWS being unknown.

Trisula U/O (SAM System)


Indonesian version of the Turkish HISAR missile system. Future SAM system of Indonesia, has been purchased. both Long range (Trisula-U)and medium range (Trisula-O)

–=SPG=–

P8 LT (MLRS)

Variant of the P8 Light Tank currently being developed, no images but ran into problems in regards to the launcher’s weight, currently being reworked by PT SSE



For other Southeast Asian Nations, Feel free to check out the ASEAN Founders Ground Suggestion here:

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/asean-founders-ground-sub-tree/198821/

or the General Asean Vehicles discussion here:

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/southeast-asian-asean-machinery-of-war-discussion-thread/139002/

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AMX-13-105 not being in War Thunder currently is a crime.
I want it, for both Indonesia and France.

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yup, and we already have the two parts needed in-game already so its not like making an entirely new model

FL-12 turret on the DF105 + standard AMX-13 hull

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Scorp my beloved, probably would be near the top though, AFAIK they all shipped with LRFs and I keep seeing things stating the gun is stabilised, unsourced of course, cause when is life easy?

Reading the article through a translator, can’t really see where it say they added a LRF just general FCS upgrades, perhaps they upgraded LRF/FCS to something more modern?

FYI The RapidRanger is a Thales UK project, not a Thales France, before the usual suspects start whining about it.

The above and the Indonesian Hawk 200 would make me a very happy bunny!

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yeah correct, I think I missinterpret that last sentence as Laser rangefinder, what it shouldve been is an updated ballistic computer (which should be a part of the FCS?)

In addition to retrofitting the optical system, the Scorpion 90 retrofit developed by the Indonesian Army’s Cavalry Weaponry Center (Pussenkav) also includes a ballistic computer system capable of calculating more ballistic trajectories than previously possible. The aiming computer can track five targets simultaneously captured on the computer screen and lock onto one. The barrel and turret movements can be adjusted to continuously track the target, providing a firing solution to hit the target.

honestly for that I just had no clue there were a difference, I just thought since its from Thales it mustve been French. Willl fix that soon™

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Yeah part of the FCS (Fire Control System), given how old they’d be at this point I’m not surprised they at least looked into it.

Fair lmao, there is a fair amount of cross over, but Thales UK handles all the LMM/Starstreak things and all* production of LMM and Starstreak happens at their Belfast Facility.

*India has recently signed a contract to start their own domestic production

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I think there is more vehicle you could add to the list, i read the suggestion before and i surprised there is some vehicle you miss.

  1. BTR-40 Retrofit
    lain
    .50 Cal version, could be add for BR 1.0


    With Different turret and armed with 40mm SPG-3 AGL, for this it a bit tricky with the BR, maybe 4.3 or 4.7 since the NATO 40x53mm HEDP (M430 and M430A1) could flat pen 51mm and 76mm respectively and basically AGL act like low velocity autocannon

  2. Dodge WC-51 with single barrel Type 96 AA gun
    dodge wc51 type 96
    this one is from the old forum and since it has good AP shell with 55mm of pen at close range it could be added for rank II

  1. we already have a dual 50 cal at rank 1 which is much more effective than a single one, i originally included a bit more including some KNIL vehicles but omitted them because they were no longer necessary

  2. Thats primarily the reason why its also omitteed, an automatic grenade launcher at a higher BR cant really do anything, and a lower BR it would effectively be a bit too OP against enemies. Thats why the only vehicle which has it in this list is the Tarantula which mounts it on a pintle mount which is an alternative to the domestic analogue, the Badak FSV

  3. According to this source its Thai, not Indonesian

the photo itself seems to have been deleted, but translated the text says:

A little bit of everything – a Thai Army ZSU.

This is the vehicle that rode at the Bangkok parade in 1948. A 37(?)-mm Japanese anti-aircraft gun is mounted on a Dodge chassis, previously owned by either the Indians or Australians. By mounting the anti-aircraft gun on a platform, they made the Japanese weapon mobile and all-terrain, without losing anything. On the other hand, the Japanese gun, with its rather poor ballistics, is perhaps the only option of this caliber that can be fired from a vehicle without outriggers. But, of course, in 1948, the practical value of this ZSU was practically zero. The age of jet aviation was dawning, and hitting jets “by eye” was already practically impossible.

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If 50. cal armed vehicles are included I’d also be interested in the Wiesel 1 (BTM-208), a unique Wiesel variant trialed by Indonesia with a turreted M2HB that would essentially be a better M2A2 in game. It could also be placed a bit higher at Rank 2 and do decent-ish SPAA work with 45° elevation, but mainly gain scouting which is the Wiesels main strength.

Wiesel 1 BTM-208

The issue is that this would very modern vehicle (from what I could find it was in Indonesia somewhere around the late 80s/early 90s) at low BRs.
It could maybe still fit considering the Land Rover Defender SPAA is similarly modern, but it’s a stretch that not everyone would support.

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.50 cal light vehicle would totally still work in 1.0, especially with BTR-40 Retrofit since it would be the equivalent of M2A2 but better (fully enclosed, smoke grenade, fast)

for AGL BTR-40 retrofit it would not completely hard to balance like the Maus problem, especially for fast light armored vehicle (which is META in game). yeah it’s low velocity with 240m/s and has no tracer but being a light tank in game mean a lot of time you would flank and hit the enemy close and this tank also would be urban map specialist like Abandoned factory or Advance to Rhine maps

Ultimately this is also another consideration, personally I dont think its necessary, plus it would be quite jarring for people to see a wheeled armored car from the late 90s fighting against what would be interwar-period tanks, with the defender its basically a truck cab with guns, so its less of an issue

I would argue the Stuart Recce is a better historical pick since we actually have it and used it in the mid 60s, but that doesn’t have a rotating turret I dont think

& Im still not convinced with the grenade launcher thing, maybe if Gaijin add vehicles like that so we can compare the performances in the future, but as things stand ill probably still going to omit them

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i mean yeah lot of people jarred with the idea of modern vehicle in low BR but with the Gaijin doing now probably i doesn’t matter because keep in mind BTR-40 is armored car from the 50s and the only modern things in the BTR-40 Retrofit is the smoke grenade launcher and the engine, for AGL small AFV like BTR-40 Retrofit is the more logical platform for 40mm NATO AGL than other platforms i seen in the suggestion like AAVP-7 or Type 96 Wheeled APC.

if you want to know the rough idea what AGL can do in ground i suggest you to try one in the BMP-2M, it’s might be different (30mm Russian AGL has lower muzzle velocity than NATO 40mm HV grenade and no HEDP shell) but it’s actually not that bad for low tier.

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though the base is correct, The rotating turret itself is a part of the modernization, as well as the modifications made to the hull to make it enclosed



BMP-2M only carries FRAG unfortunately so we cant compare it at this moment, and if we do compare it as things stand, it can barely break obstacles, and I’ve literally only gotten kills with it via its actual purpose, indirect fire against light-skinned targets (SPAAs basically)

But it is considered, and ill add it to the list if we do get some analogues in the future.

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BMP-2M only carries FRAG unfortunately so we cant compare it at this moment

ehh i mean the gun handling, not toe-to-toe comparison. for 40mm HEDP in game it’s only available in American Heli (AH-1G, UH-1C XM 30 and AH-56A) but it’s based on M430 HEDP with 51mm pen instead of the improved M430A1 with 76mm pen.

other than that i found some footage of Improvised armor truck from pre Tsunami Aceh insurgency with M2 Browning that can be added as sidegrade/foldered with the Morris C8 Type 89
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Unimog truck version
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unknown truck version (Maybe Hino or Isuzu truck version)

both definitely could be added as BR 1.0 armored .50 cal milk truck