(WIP) Modern IR (FOX2) Missile - History, Performance & Discussion

Patriotic_FR · October 1, 2023, 2:30pm

I’ve compiled a summary that brings together information on various FOX 2 with IRCCM missiles I’m aware of.

These details were sourced from the internet and various War Thunder forums, with links provided where applicable. Unfortunately, I haven’t retained all my sources, so if you have any questions about specific data or information, please feel free to ask in the forum, and I’ll do my best to retrieve the necessary information for you.

IR MISSILES WITH IRCCM

Disclaimer

An IR (infrared) missile (also known as a FOX 2 missile) is a missile that uses the infrared (IR) light emission from a target to track and intercept it. Missiles which use infrared seeking are often referred to as “heat-seekers” since infrared is radiated strongly by hot bodies. Many objects such as people, vehicle engines and aircraft generate and emit heat and so are especially visible in the infrared wavelengths of light compared to objects in the background. Unlike radar-guided missiles (FOX 1 and FOX3) that depend on radar signals from the launching aircraft,another platform or the missile itself to illuminate the target, FOX 2 missiles provide no indication that they are tracking a target. Indeed radar waves are detectable by ennemy RWR (Radar Warning Reciever) and the target know they’ve been fired on. An infrared missile is often designed as a “fire and forget” missile since when fired, the missile don’t need more information from the launch plateform to intercept the target. Howerver with more modern FOX 2 missile, LOAL (Lock On After Launch) and DATALINK can be used for BVR shot, so the missile still get information from the launch aircraft. Contrary to radar missiles, infrared missile are not effective in all weather conditions.Indeed they can be limited by a heavy cloud cover that would not let infrared radiation pass, making the seeker useless. They can be designed for long-range engagements, (the value of more than 20-30kms for BVR is commonly accepted) or for short range dogfigth engagement where maneuvrability is key.

However, for long range engagement, even the most modern infrared seeker are limited to about a few tens of kilometers. So, for BVR shot the missile is not active the whole way but only at the end, close to the target. To guide the missile to the target, the missile can use: inertial navigation (once located by the aircraft, the missile know the location of the target and guide itself to the presumed point of impact); datalink mid-course guidance (the aircraft keep giving information to the missile while in flight to give it a more accurate point of impact).

IRCCM (InfraRed Counter-Counter-Measure) are technics to make the missile able to reject IRCM (InfraRed Counter-Measure) sutch as flares. Do to that multiple technics are used sutch as :

Multiple element seeker which reduce the FOV of the missile so the missile has less chance to see the flare. Work best at close range.
Dual band such as UV and IR so single spectral IR flare don’t work against those missile.
Suspendend tracking as when the missile see a flare separating from the aircraft, it stop tracking and use INS until the flare is not in it’s seeker view.
Imaging Infrared Seeker (IIR) which does an image of the target so flaring become mutch more difficult. Currently IIR seeker are available on ATGM and those are modeled as having a 0.1 IFOV.

*All maximum range are only an indication; those numbers are only obtainable for an aircraft firing at high altitude and high speed against a cooperative target (no evasive maneuvers) flying straight into the missile. The same missile fired at low altitude against a non-cooperative target can have its maximum range divided by 5 or more. The battery of the missile can also be a limiting factor for a missile since a missile powered for only a short amount of time cannot go far away even with good kinematics. This is an issue for Soviet missile that have a shorter battery life compared to NATO missile and so less guidance time.

*The maneuvering capability of a missile is only valid for when the missile has maximum energy (at the end of its burntime), It decrease rapidly as the missile lose speed over time. For example, an AIM-9L, a 30G missile will be able to pull only about 10G after a couple of kilometers.

USA

AIM-9M

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The AIM-9M, the first US missile equipped with IRCCM (Infrared Counter-Countermeasures), represented a significant advancement over its predecessor, the AIM-9L. It boasted enhanced capabilities, such as improved background rejection and superior discrimination against infrared countermeasures. Additionally, it featured a low-smoke motor to minimize the weapon’s visible signature. During the 1991 Gulf War, the AIM-9M was widely deployed and notably accounted for all 10 recorded Sidewinder kills in that conflict.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.85m
Width: 0.127m
Fin span: 0.64m
Weight: 86kg
** Maximum Speed:** Mach 2.5
Minimum Range: 200m
Maximum Range: 18km
Propulsion: MTI/ Hercules MK.36 Mod 9-11
Seeker capabilities: Improved seeker over the AIM-9L with IRCCM. The WGU-4A/B (AIM-9M-1/2/3 GCS) has flare rejection capabilities that don’t involve suspending tracking.
The WGU-4D/B (AIM-9M-6/7 GCS) then added improved guidance during flare detection, and the WGU-4E/B (AIM-9M-8/9/10 GCS) expanded the IRCM detection circuitry to improve capabilities against tactical IRCM. The WGU-4C/B (AIM-9M-4/5 GCS), but I can’t see anything on the specific changes with that version of the GCS.
Warhead: 9.4 kg WDU-17/B annular blast-fragmentation
Guidance Type: LOBL, INS
Maneuvering Capability: 30G-35G single plane. The missile likely uses single plane. Cannot do a 180° turn.

Precision on the different version

AIM-9M-1 - the version used by the navy and air force, the guidance section WGU-4A/B.
AIM-9M-2 - ?
AIM-9M-3 - version of the navy with guidance sections WGU-4A/B.
AIM-9M-4 - version of the navy with guidance sections WGU-4C/B.
AIM-9M-5 - the designation of the u.s. air force for AIM-9M-4.
AIM-9M-6 - a variant of the navy with specific modifications to take account of use in the Persian gulf, the guidance section WGU-4D/B.
AIM-9M-7 - the designation of the u.s. air force for AIM-9M-6.
AIM-9M-8 - version of the navy with increased resistance to infrared interference, the engine of the Mk.36 Mod.11 and the guidance section WGU-4E/B. Development testing lasted a year and were conducted from the third quarter of fiscal year 1991 at the Naval Air Warfare Center in China Lake. Troop tests were conducted in may 1993. In may 1995 initiated the introduction into the armament of the navy. The standard M-8 were adjusted to the older M-1 and M-3.
AIM-9M-9 - designation of the u.s. air force for AIM-9M-8.
AIM-9M-10 - AIM-9M-8 adapted for use on airplanes [F/A-18E/F Super Hornet], the wings of the rocket made of a material with increased resistance to delamination, the front bracket of the rockets has increased resistance to wear.

Thank to @reinshil for the explanation of the subvariant

AIM-9R

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DISCLAIMER: The missile has not been produced.

The AIM-9R marked a significant milestone within the Sidewinder family as it introduced an imaging seeker for the first time. This innovative addition led to substantial enhancements in various aspects of missile performance. Notably, the imaging seeker dramatically improved target detection range, widened the off-boresight angle, enhanced background rejection, and enabled precise targeting of vulnerable areas on the intended target.

One of the most notable improvements was the considerably expanded field of view of the seeker, which enabled the acquisition of off-boresight and maneuvering targets. Furthermore, the sophisticated software incorporated intelligent aimpoint selection when engaging a target.

Regrettably, during its development phase, the AIM-9R faced challenges due to cuts in the defense budget. Consequently, the missile was not officially adopted and never entered production.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.85m
Width: 0.127m
Fin span: 0.64m
Weight: 86kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Minimum Range: 200m
Maximum Range: 18km
Propulsion: MTI/ Hercules MK.36 Mod 9
Seeker capabilities: WGU-19/B IIR with 256*256 pixel (daylight only)
Warhead: 9.4 kg WDU-17/B annular blast-fragmentation
Guidance Type: LOBL.
Maneuvering Capability: 30G-35G single plane. The missile likely uses single plane. Cannot do a 180° turn.

AIM-9X

Spoiler

In the quest to replace the Sidewinder missile, the AIM-9X, developed by Hughes Electronic, emerged as the chosen contender in competition with the ASRAAM program, earning the USA’s preference. This selection was driven by the fact that the AIM-9X shared many components with its predecessor, which included the motor and warhead, resulting in cost-effective production, proudly bearing the “MADE IN USA” label.

The AIM-9X represented a remarkable fusion of advanced technologies, incorporating a High-Off-Boresight (HOBS) seeker, robust Infrared Counter-Countermeasures (IRCCM) capabilities, and the utilization of a thrust vectoring nozzle (TVC). These features collectively endowed it with the capability to execute maneuvers exceeding 60G while maintaining an impressive range, owing to minimized drag.

AIM-9X BLOCK 1

Initial version of the missile. Entered service in 2003.

Characteristics:

Length: 3.02m
Width: 0.127m
Fin span: 0.445; 0.353m (canard span)
Weight: 86kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Minimum Range: 200m
Maximum Range: 25-30km
Propulsion: MTI/ Hercules MK.139
Seeker capabilities: Imaging seeker with 128*128 pixels with 90° gimbal.
Warhead: 9.4 kg WDU-17/B annular blast-fragmentation
Guidance Type: LOBL, (INS?)
Maneuvering Capability: 50G with TVC. Can do a 180° turn in 2.5s.

AIM-9X BLOCK 2

Improved version of the 9X with better 360° coverage thanks to LOAL, INS and DATALINK. Better range since the missile is now able to loft.

Characteristics:

Length: 3.02m
Width: 0.127m
Fin span: 0.445; 0.353m (canard span)
Weight: 86kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Minimum Range: 200m
Maximum Range: 35-40km (Up to 15km when ground launched)
Propulsion: MTI/ Hercules MK.139
Seeker capabilities: Imaging seeker with 128*128 pixels with 90° gimbal.
Warhead: 9.4 kg WDU-17/B annular blast-fragmentation
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAF, INS, LOFTING, DATALINK
Maneuvering Capability: 50G with TVC. Can do a 180° turn in 2.5s.

AIM-9X BLOCK 3
DISCLAIMER: The missile has not yet been produced.

As stealth aircraft advanced, reducing the effective range of radar-guided missiles, and jammer technologies continued to progress, the U.S. Navy recognized the need for an extended-range infrared missile to meet evolving combat requirements.

The Navy’s FY 2016 budget canceled the AIM-9X Block III as they cut down buys of the F-35C, as it was primarily intended to permit the fighter to carry six BVR missiles

Characteristics:

Length: 3.02m
Width: 0.127m
Fin span: 0.445; 0.353m (canard span)
Weight: 86kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Minimum Range: 200m
Maximum Range: 65km (60% range upgrade over the AIM-9X Block 2)
Propulsion: MTI/ Hercules MK.139. Dual pulsed solid fuel rocket motor.
Seeker capabilities: Imaging seeker with 128*128 pixels with 90° gimbal.
Warhead: 9.4 kg WDU-17/B annular blast-fragmentation
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAF, INS, LOFTING, DATALINK.
Maneuvering Capability: 50G with TVC. Can do a 180° turn in 2.5s.

For more information: The AIM-9 Sidewinder - History, Design, Performance & Discussion

RUSSIA

R-27(E)T

Spoiler

The Vympel R-27, known by NATO as the AA-10 “Alamo,” is a medium/long-range air-to-air missile developed in the Soviet Union. While considered the Russian equivalent of the latest versions of the AIM-7 Sparrow and Super 530, their similarities are limited. Unlike the Sparrow, the R-27 offers a wide variety of seekers and generally has longer engagement ranges. In this thread, we will focus on the infrared versions, the R-27T and R-27ET (AA-10 Alamo-B and AA-10 Alamo-D, respectively).

R-27T (Early):

The original version of the missile was introduced in 1983. However, due to its limited seeker capabilities (LOBL), its effective range is restricted when engaging targets head-on, as it cannot track the hottest part of the enemy plane, which is the exhaust.

Characteristics:

Length: 3.79m
Width: 0.23m
Fin span: 0.77m
Weight: 245kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 4/4.5
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 50km
Propulsion: Single stage solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: TGS " Geofizika 36T" seeker with dual band IRCCM . 45° Gimbal limit before launch, 60° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 39kg HE
Guidance Type: LOBL.
Maneuvering Capability: 30-35G. Cannot do a 180° turn.

R-27T (Late):

The missile was upgraded in the 90’s/2000’s to be able to mount better seekers.
The missile was notably exported to China with an upgraded seeker.
The new seeker had either a better tracking and HOBS capabilities (MK-80M) or better range (AS-10)

Characteristics:

Length: 3.79m
Width: 0.23m
Fin span: 0.77m
Weight: 245kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 4/4.5
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 50km
Propulsion: Single stage solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: AS-10 (also called OS-27T) seeker with multi-element dual band IRCCM. 50° Gimbal limit before launch, 60° Gimbal limit after launch. MK-80M seeker with 2-element. 60° Gimbal limit before launch, 75° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 39kg HE
Guidance Type: LOBL.
Maneuvering Capability: 30-35G. Cannot do a 180° turn.

R-27ET (Early):

To enhance the operational reach of the R-27 missile that was used previously, a decision was made to outfit it with a significantly more powerfull rocket engine.

However since the seeker remained the same as for the R-27T, it’s actual operational range was mutch less against figther size target.

Characteristics:

Length: 4.49m
Width: 0.23m
Fin span: 0.80m
Weight: 343kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 4.5
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 85km
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: TGS " Geofizika 36T" seeker with dual band IRCCM . 45° Gimbal limit before launch, 60° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 39kg HE
Guidance Type: LOBL.
Maneuvering Capability: 30-35G. Cannot do a 180° turn.

R-27ET (Late):

The missile was upgraded in the 90’s/2000’s to be able to mount better seekers.
The missile was notably exported to China with an upgraded seeker.
The new seeker had either a better tracking and HOBS capabilities (MK-80M) or better range (AS-10)

Characteristics:

Length: 4.49m
Width: 0.23m
Fin span: 0.80m
Weight: 343kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 4.5
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 85km
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: AS-10 (also called OS-27T) seeker with multi-element dual band IRCCM. 50° Gimbal limit before launch, 60° Gimbal limit after launch. MK-80M seeker with 2-element. 60° Gimbal limit before launch, 75° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 39kg HE
Guidance Type: LOBL.
Maneuvering Capability: 30-35G. Cannot do a 180° turn.

Details about the seekers capabilities and the difference between the 36T, the 27T and the MK-80M

For more information: Vympel R-27 'ALAMO' - History, Design, Performance & Discussion

R-73

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Credit to @Fantom2451 for the picture

The R-73 missile represents the next stage of evolution from the R-60M missile and is regarded as the inaugural fourth-generation infrared (IR) missile. It was introduced into service in 1984, primarily integrated onto Soviet fighter aircraft. Following the reunification of Germany in 1990, Western nations had the opportunity to examine this missile and recognized its superiority in terms of range, seeker gimbal flexibility, sensitivity, and maneuverability.

This revelation prompted Western defense efforts to develop new weapons to compete with the R-73, resulting in the creation of systems like the ASRAAM, AIM-9X, and IRIS-T.

R-73 (Izdelie 720, R-73E, RMD-1):

Initial R-73 variant.
The R-73E is the exact same missile but for export.
Produced by DUX.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.9m
Width: 0.17m
Fin span: 0.51m
Weight: 105kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5/3
Minimum Range: 400m
Maximum Range: 30km
Propulsion: RTTD-295 Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: MK-80 seeker with 2-element. 45° Gimbal limit before launch, 75° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 7.4kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL.
Maneuvering Capability: 60G with TVC. Can do a 180° turn in 4s.

R-73L(R-73EL):
DISCLAIMER: The R-73L has not been produced. Peru bought some R-73EL .

Initial R-73 variant with a laser proxy fuze instead of a radar one.
The R-73EL is the exact same missile but for export.

Same Characteristics than the R-73.

R-74(Izdelie 740):
DISCLAIMER: The missile has not been produced.

Same as the R-73.
Produced by Kurganpribor

Same Characteristics than the R-73.

R-73 “Reverse launched”

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DISCLAIMER: The missile has not been produced.

The missile was developed based on the original R-73 missile and was intended for equipping frontline combat aircraft, bombers, transport aircraft, and anti-submarine planes. It provides protection for the rear hemisphere of the aircraft carrying it. The missile features an additional detachable booster at the front to counteract the aircraft’s speed, allowing the missile to achieve zero velocity. It can then execute a 180° turn to engage and destroy the attacking aircraft behind the launching aircraft.

Characteristics:

Length: 3.2m
Width: 0.17m
Fin span: 0.404m
Weight: 115kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5/3
Minimum Range: 1000m
Maximum Range: 10-12km
Propulsion: RTTD-295 Solid fuel rocket booster
**Seeker capabilities:**MK-80M with 2-element or MK-2000/ Impuls-90 seeker with multi element and dual band… 60° Gimbal limit before launch, 75° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 7.4kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAL, INS
Maneuvering Capability: 60G with TVC. Can do a 180° turn in 3s.

R-73M

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Credit to @Fantom2451 for the picture

The R-73M is a general improvement over the R-73 with better kinematics, better maneuvrability and a better seeker.

R-73M(RMD-2):
DISCLAIMER: The missile has not been produced.

The original missile upgrade was planned for the 1990s. However, the collapse of the Soviet Union resulted in a financial crisis, leading to insufficient funds for the missile project. Consequently, the missile upgrade never progressed to the production stage.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.93m
Width: 0.17m
Fin span: 0.51m
Weight: 106kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5/3
Minimum Range: 400m
Maximum Range: 40km
Propulsion: RTTD-295 Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: MK-80M with 2-element. 60° Gimbal limit before launch, 75° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 7.4kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL.
Maneuvering Capability: 60G with TVC. Can do a 180° turn in 3s.

R-74M(Izdelie 750, RVV-MD):

R-73M with an improved IRCCM for the seeker.
Produced by Dux and Kurganpribor since 2015.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.93m
Width: 0.17m
Fin span: 0.51m
Weight: 106kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5/3
Minimum Range: 400m
Maximum Range: 40km
Propulsion: RTTD-295 Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: MK-2000/ Impuls-90 seeker with multi element and dual band. 60° Gimbal limit before launch, 75° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 7.4kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL.
Maneuvering Capability: 60G with TVC. Can do a 180° turn in 3s.

K-74ME (export R-73M(?)):
DISCLAIMER: The missile has not been produced.

The missile was only showed as a mockup on MARK-97
Same characteristics as the R-73M.

R-74M2

Spoiler

Credit to @Fantom2451 for the picture

Also called Idelie 760, MVV-MD2.

New major upgrade of the R-74M missile with an improved indigenous seeker, DATALINK and better range.

Characteristics:

Length: 3.1m
Width: 0.17m
Fin span: 0.434m
Weight: 117kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 3
Minimum Range: 300m
Maximum Range: 50km
Propulsion: 516-1M Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: Karfagen-760 Seeker with multi element and dual band. 60° Gimbal limit before launch, 90° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 7.4kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAL, INS, DATALINK
Maneuvering Capability: 60G with TVC. Can do a 180° turn in 2.5s. (Match the performance of the AIM-9X)

For more information: Vympel R-73 'ARCHER' - History, Design, Performance & Discussion

CHINA

PL-5E

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The PL-5 is a Chinese short-range missile that has been in development since 1966. Over the years, it has undergone multiple upgrades to enhance its capabilities and performance.

PL-5E II:

This missile represents an upgrade from the PL-5E, as it has been equipped with Infrared Counter-Countermeasures and a laser proximity fuze. These additions are designed to effectively counter the use of flares and radar jamming by the target.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.893m
Width: 0.127m
Fin span: 0.617m
Weight: 83kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 18km
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: Pl-5E II: Dual band multi element seeker. 25° Gimbal limit before launch, 40° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 6kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL
Maneuvering Capability: 35g single plane and 50g dual plane. The missile likely uses single plane. Cannot do a 180° turn.

PL-5DE::

The PL-5DE is derived from the PL-5E II and incorporates numerous enhancements and improvements in its components. These upgrades encompass infrared seekers, missile-borne computers, and fuses. As a result of these improvements, the PL-5DE boasts superior detection capabilities, off-axis follow-up capabilities, anti-interference capabilities, and fuze warhead coordination performance.

Same Characteristics as the PL-5E II.

PL-8

Spoiler

The PL-8 is a licensed production version of the Israeli Python 3 missile. In 1980, China obtained the license for production and managed to achieve complete domestic production by 1989. Over time, China introduced two upgrades to this missile: the PL-8A and the PL-8B, both equipped with IRCCM to enhance their capabilities.

PL-8A:

Initial upgrade of the PL-8.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.95m
Width: 0.16m
Fin span: 0.80m
Weight: 120kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 3.5
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 15km
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: 2-element infrared seeker. 30° Gimbal limit before launch, 40° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 11kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL
Maneuvering Capability: 40g single plane and 55g dual plane. The missile likely uses single plane. Cannot do a 180° turn.

PL-8B:

Further upgrade of the PL-8 with even better IRCCM.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.95m
Width: 0.16m
Fin span: 0.80m
Weight: 120kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 3.5
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 15km
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: 4-element infrared seeker. 30° Gimbal limit before launch, 40° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 11kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL
Maneuvering Capability: 40g single plane and 55g dual plane. The missile likely uses single plane. Cannot do a 180° turn.

PL-9C

Spoiler

The PL-9 is a short-range missile developed by China since 1986. The PL-9C variant received certification in 2002. The notable improvement in the PL-9C over its predecessors is the addition of an IRCCM system for the seeker, which significantly enhances its ability to reject flares and operate effectively in combat scenarios.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.992m
Width: 0.157m
Fin span: 0.856m
Weight: 119kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 3.5
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 22km
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: 4-element infrared seeker. 40° Gimbal limit before launch, 40° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 11.8kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL
Maneuvering Capability: 40g single plane and 55g dual plane. The missile likely uses single plane. Cannot do a 180° turn.

PL-10

Spoiler

The PL-10 is a Chinese short range missile developped since 2004. The missile is produced since 2013 for the Chinese J-20 stealth fighter jets.

Characteristics:

Length: 3.0m
Width: 0.16m
Fin span: 0.296m
Weight: 105kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 3
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 20km (PL-10E) (Probably closer to 28km)
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: Multi-element Imaging seeker with 128*128 pixels. 90° Gimbal limit.
Warhead: ? kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAL, INS, DATALINK.
Maneuvering Capability: 55-60G with TVC. Can do a 180° turn in ?s. (Probably around 2/3s)

For more information: Chinese Air-To-Air missiles, History, Performance & Discussion

TAIWAN

TC-1

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The development of the TC-1 missile began in the early 1980s, and its design bears a striking resemblance to the AIM-9L. It incorporates a canard layout, front wing control, and tail wing stability for flight control. One of the key improvements in TC-1 is its enhanced solid rocket engine. When the missile is ignited and detached, it produces minimal smoke, ensuring that it is not easily detected by the target aircraft.

TC-1 is equipped with a highly sensitive and interference-resistant refrigeration indium antimonide detection module in its seeker, enabling it to effectively track and attack targets from all directions. Additionally, the warhead features an active laser proximity fuze and utilizes annular fragments for target destruction.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.87m
Width: 0.127m
Fin span: 0.675m
Weight: 90kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 3.5
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 18km
Propulsion: Low smoke solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: Dual spectral seeker.
Warhead: 10.34kg HE pre-fragmented
Guidance Type: LOBL.
Maneuvering Capability: 35g single plane and 50g dual plane. The missile likely uses single plane. Cannot do a 180° turn.

FRANCE

MAGIC 2

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The MAGIC 2 missile, a French short-range missile, was introduced into service in 1986. It represented an advancement over its predecessor, the MAGIC 1, primarily due to its incorporation of an all-aspect seeker. The MAGIC 2’s seeker system was notably advanced for its time, offering exceptional Infrared Counter-Countermeasures capabilities.

MAGIC 2

Initial version of the missile with the AD3633 seeker.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.75m
Width: 0.157m
Fin span: 0.66m
Weight: 89kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 20km (Practical :15km)
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: 4-element infrared seeker. 45° Gimbal limit.
Warhead: 12.5kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL.
Maneuvering Capability: 35g single plane and 50g dual plane. The missile likely uses dual plane. Cannot do a 180° turn.

MAGIC 2 MK2

Developped between 1990 and 1996, it was introduced in 1997.
Improved version of the Magic 2 missile.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.75m
Width: 0.157m
Fin span: 0.66m
Weight: 89kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 20km (better than the MK1 thanks to better navigation law)
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: Improved seeker compared to the Magic 2 MK 1. ?° Gimbal limit.
Warhead: 12.5kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL.
Maneuvering Capability: 35g single plane and 50g dual plane. The missile likely uses dual plane. Cannot do a 180° turn.

MICA IR

Spoiler

The missile, initially known as the Matra MICA and now under the MBDA MICA designation, was conceived as a project aimed at entirely replacing the Super 530D and R.550 Magic missiles. Matra’s objective was to create a Beyond Visual Range (BVR)-capable missile equipped with a thrust vectoring motor and interchangeable sensors. The innovative approach was to keep the missile’s body, motor, and overall dimensions consistent between variants (infrared or electromagnetic/radiofrequency), with the only differentiation being the type of sensor installed.

This design concept provided pilots with the flexibility to choose the sensor that best suited their specific operational needs, enhancing adaptability in various scenarios. It also introduced an element of unpredictability for potential adversaries, as they would not know the specific countermeasures required to defeat the missile.

An intriguing characteristic of the missile’s motor is the distinctive purple flame it emits while burning. The MICA missile underwent its first successful firing test in 1992, ultimately entering service in 1996.

Characteristics:

Length: 3.1m
Width: 0.16m
Fin span: 0.56m
Weight: 112kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 4.5
Minimum Range: 350m
Maximum Range: 60-80km. (Up to 18-20km max range and 9-11km altitude when ground launched)
Propulsion: Protac solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: Imaging seeker dual waveband, 60° Gimbal limit.
Warhead: 11kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAL, INS, LOFTING, DATALINK.
Maneuvering Capability: 50G+ with TVC. (50g up to 7km, 30g up to 12km for VL-MICA). Can do a 180° turn in 3s. Managed to shoot down a target behind the fighter at a range more than the maximum range of the MAGIC 2.

MICA IR NG

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DISCLAIMER: The missile has not yet been produced.

The MICA NG shares certain similarities with its earlier generation counterpart, while also incorporating some notable differences. At first glance, there are no exterior differences since it retains the same body and dimensions as the previous generation. However, the MICA NG distinguishes itself by being more efficient and incorporating advanced seekers.

The decision to maintain commonality with the previous generation has several advantages. It streamlines logistics and maintenance processes and facilitates seamless integration into existing systems. Internally, the electronics have been compacted, creating space for increased propellant, which in turn enhances the missile’s overall range.

One significant improvement is the transition from a single-pulse motor to a double-pulse motor in the MICA NG. The timing of the second booster activation varies depending on the type of threats it encounters and the dynamic conditions it faces. This flexibility enables the missile to adapt its performance to the specific engagement scenario. Notably, the use of the second booster in later flight stages potentially enhances maneuverability, especially when engaging highly agile targets towards the end of its flight path.

Characteristics:

Length: 3.1m
Width: 0.16m
Fin span: 0.56m
Weight: 112kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 4.5
Minimum Range: 350m
Maximum Range: 100km (Up to 35-40km max range and ?km altitude when ground launched)
Propulsion: Dual-thrust solid fuel rocket booster.
Seeker capabilities: Very sensitive MATRIX sensor high resolution Imaging seeker. ? Gimbal limit.
Warhead: 11kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAL, INS, LOFTING, DATALINK.
Maneuvering Capability: 50g+ TVC. Can do 50g up to around 70-80km thanks to dual pulse motor. Can do a 180° turn in 3s.

For more information: The "Silent Killer" Missile - MBDA MICA - Performance and Discussion Thread (WIP)

EUROPEAN

IRIS-T

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The IRIS-T, also known as AIM-2000, is a European missile celebrated for its exceptional maneuverability. Its development commenced in 1995, spurred by Germany’s dissatisfaction with the original ASRAAM missile, especially when compared to the capabilities of the R-73. Production of the IRIS-T officially began in 2003, with components sourced from various European countries, contributing to its collaborative nature.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.9m
Width: 0.127m
Fin span: 0.45m
Weight: 87.4kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 3+
Minimum Range: 200m
Maximum Range: 25km (Up to 10-12km max range and 6km altitude when ground launched)
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket motor (High boost, Low thrust for initial turn, High thrust for max speed, Low thrust sustainer).
Seeker capabilities: Dual band imaging seeker based around a 128 x 2 array which uses a scanning mirror to build a larger picture (effectively a 128*128 pixels 80 times per second) .90° Gimbal limit.
Warhead: 11.4kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAL, INS.
Maneuvering Capability: 60 to 80G with TVC. 1/2 the turning radius of the R-73. Can do a 180° turn in 2s.

For more information: IRIS-T - The pinnacle of IR guided Short Range Air to Air Missiles

GERMANY

AIM-9L/I-1 (AIM-9Li-1)

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The AIM-9L missile was also manufactured in Europe under license by a team led by Diehl BGT Defence. Currently, there are several variations of the “Lima” missile in active service. The first to be developed was the 9L Tactical, which represents an enhanced version of the standard 9L missile. Following that, the 9L Genetic was introduced, featuring improved infrared countermeasures (IRCCM). This upgrade involved a detachable module within the Guidance Control Section (GCS) that offered flare-rejection capabilities.

Subsequently, the 9L(I) was introduced, incorporating the IRCCM module directly into the GCS, resulting in enhanced countermeasures and an upgraded seeker system. Diehl BGT also markets the AIM-9L(I)-1, which further enhances the 9L(I)GCS and is considered to be operationally equivalent to the originally “US-only” AIM-9M missile.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.85m
Width: 0.127m
Fin span: 0.64m
Weight: 86kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Minimum Range: 200m
Maximum Range: 18km
Propulsion: MTI/ Hercules MK.36 Mod 9 (Late version of the 9L received the reduced smoke motor of the 9M)
Seeker capabilities: Improved seeker over the AIM-9L with IRCCM. Has similar capabilities than the AIM-9M. Involve suspended tracking.
Warhead: 9.4 kg WDU-17/B annular blast-fragmentation
Guidance Type: LOBL, INS
Maneuvering Capability: 30G-35G single plane. The missile likely uses single plane. Cannot do a 180° turn.

UK

ASRAAM

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The AIM-132 ASRAAM is a high-speed, highly maneuverable, heat-seeking air-to-air missile manufactured by MBDA UK Ltd. This missile is designed to be a ‘fire-and-forget’ weapon, capable of effectively countering intermittent target obscuration caused by clouds and sophisticated infrared (IR) countermeasures.

During the 1980s, NATO entered into an agreement where the USA was tasked with developing the next Beyond Visual Range (BVR) weapon, resulting in the AMRAAM. Simultaneously, the European Union was assigned the development of the next Within Visual Range (WVR) weapon, which led to the creation of the ASRAAM. However, in 1989, Germany withdrew from the program and initiated their own development project, resulting in the IRIS-T missile. Subsequently, in 1990, the USA also withdrew from the ASRAAM program and began work on the AIM-9X missile.

Image detailing the developement of the ASRAAM

ASRAAM Block 1:
Initial version of the ASRAAM

Characteristics:

Length: 2.9m
Width: 0.166m
Fin span: 0.45m
Weight: 88kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 3+
Minimum Range: 200m
Maximum Range: 50km (Up to 16km when ground launched)
Propulsion: Solid rocket motor with low smoke
Seeker capabilities: Imaging seeker with 128*128 pixels with 90° gimbal.
Warhead: 10 kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAL, INS, (LOFTING?).
Maneuvering Capability: Around 50g dual plane. The missile likely uses dual plane. Can do a 180° turn in ?s. Managed to shoot down a target behind the fighter at a range in excess of 5km at low altitude.

ASRAAM Block 6:

The Block 6 represents a significant advancement of the ASRAAM missile. One of its primary objectives was to eliminate ITAR restrictions by ensuring that no U.S. components were used in the missile’s construction. Additionally, the Block 6 features a new built-in cryogenic cooling system, enhancing its performance capabilities. Furthermore, it incorporates a newly developed seeker manufactured in the United Kingdom, contributing to its advanced targeting capabilities and reducing dependency on foreign components.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.9m
Width: 0.166m
Fin span: 0.45m
Weight: 88kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 3+
Minimum Range: 200m
Maximum Range: 50km (Up to 16km when ground launched)
Propulsion: Solid rocket motor with low smoke
Seeker capabilities: Updated seeker with higher resolution than the Block1
Warhead: 10 kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAL, INS, (LOFTING?).
Maneuvering Capability: Around 50g dual plane. The missile likely uses dual plane. Can do a 180° turn in ?s. Managed to shoot down a target behind the fighter at a range in excess of 5km at low altitude.

ISRAEL

PYTHON 4

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Rafael embarked on the development of a fourth-generation infrared (IR) missile in response to the need for Israel to counter the formidable performance of the R73 missile and anticipated future advancements like the ASRAAM. The resulting Python 4 missile featured an intriguing design characterized by 18 aerodynamic surfaces. Notably, it included two 45-degree off-axis ailerons positioned behind the primary control surfaces. These ailerons played a crucial role in controlling the missile’s roll, enabling the autopilot to manage the missile’s bank and roll, ensuring it consistently achieved its highest possible overload.

Unlike many other fourth-generation IR missiles, the Python 4 did not employ thrust vectoring, yet it exhibited remarkable maneuverability. It demonstrated the capability to execute a 180-degree turn within just 3 seconds of launch, showcasing its agility in flight. Additionally, the missile incorporated a lag pursuit algorithm, enabling it to effectively engage targets at the end of their maneuvers when they had lower energy levels.

The Python 4 gained widespread recognition for its impressive performance and became a sought-after choice for export. In evaluations by the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF), it was found to outperform the R-73 but fell slightly short of the ASRAAM in terms of overall capabilities.

Characteristics:

Length: 3m
Width: 0.16m
Fin span: 0.64m
Weight: 105kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 4
Minimum Range: 400m
Maximum Range: 30km
Propulsion: ND-10 Motor 80kN Boost Sustain motor
Seeker capabilities: Multi-element seeker (4?) (also called Pseudo imaging), Dual band (also called multicolor). 60° Gimbal limit before launch, 90° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 11kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL, INS?
Maneuvering Capability: 50g single plane and 70g dual plane. The missile likely uses dual plane. Can do a 180° turn in 3s.

PYTHON 5

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The fifth-generation Python 5 bears a similar external appearance to the Python 4 but introduces significant enhancements, including full-sphere capability, enabling it to engage targets within a 360-degree radius around the launch aircraft. Notably, the Python 5 extends its reach to Beyond Visual Range (BVR) engagements, boasting a range exceeding 40 kilometers and a controlled flight time of approximately 80-90 seconds.

The missile incorporates an imaging infrared seeker, Fiber Optic Gyroscope (FOG)-based Inertial Navigation System (INS), and a datalink system for Lock-On After Launch (LOAL) launches. Impressively, while introducing these advanced features, the Python 5 retains the same aerodynamic airframe, motor, INS, warhead, and proximity fuse from its predecessor, contributing to its exceptional performance capabilities.

Characteristics:

Length: 3.1m
Width: 0.16m
Fin span: 0.64m
Weight: 105kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 4
Minimum Range: 400m
Maximum Range: 40km: A test launch at mach .6 at 7600m hitting a target approaching mach .8 and 3050m 28km away .(Up to 15km when ground launched)
Propulsion: ND-10 Motor 80kN Boost Sustain motor.
Seeker capabilities: Imaging seeker dual waveband with 320*240 pixel, 100° Gimbal limit.
Warhead: 11kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAL, INS, LOFTING.
Maneuvering Capability: 50g single plane and 70g dual plane. The missile likely uses dual plane. Can do a 180° turn in 3s.

For more information: ✡︎History, Design, and Performance of Israeli Air-to-Air Missiles - Israel - War Thunder - Official Forum

INDIA

ASTRA IR

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DISCLAIMER: The missile has not yet been produced.

The ASTRA IR missile is a development stemming from the ASTRA MK1 FOX 3 missile. It will offer dual launch modes, including rail and ejection launch, and will be specifically optimized for detecting aerial targets characterized by diminished infrared and electromagnetic signatures commonly associated with fifth-generation aircraft.

The ASTRA IR is expected to boast an enhanced range compared to existing close combat missiles like ASRAAM and Python-5. Achieving this superior range necessitates adjustments in aerodynamics and the integration of advanced technology capable of keeping pace with fast and agile maneuvering jets.

Characteristics:

Length: 3.84m
Width: 0.178m
Fin span: ?m
Weight: 154kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 4.5
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 80km
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket booster.
Seeker capabilities: Imaging seeker, ?° Gimbal limit.
Warhead: 15kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAL, INS, LOFTING, DATALINK.
Maneuvering Capability: 40G+(Improved over the ASTRA MK1). Cannot do a 180° turn.

JAPAN

AAM-3

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Left side is AAM-3, rigth side is AIM-9L

The AAM-3 is a missile developed in the 1990s with the aim of replacing the AIM-9L. While specific performance figures might not be publicly available, it is commonly reported that the AAM-3 is considered superior to the AIM-9L in terms of its capabilities and performance.

Characteristics:

Length: 3.1m
Width: 0.127m
Fin span: ?
Weight: 91kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5-3.5
Minimum Range: 200m
Maximum Range: Longer range than the AIM-9L (> 18km)
Propulsion: Reduced smoke and higher efficiency than the MK36 on the 9L
Seeker capabilities: Improved HOBS, seeker sensitivity and IRCCM than the AIM-9L (Dual band)
Warhead: 9.4 kg WDU-17/B annular blast-fragmentation (same as AIM-9L) or 15kg warhead (unknown, could be both)
Guidance Type: LOBL
Maneuvering Capability: Bank to turn ,40-50G dual plane. The missile likely uses dual plane. Cannot do a 180° turn.

AAM-5

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The AAM-5 represents another step in the development of the Japanese infrared (IR) missile family.It’s a thrust-vectoring, highly maneuverable missile with imaging seeker. It’s important to emphasize that the AAM-5 was in development and in service prior to the IRIS-T, dispelling any notion that it is merely an “IRIS-T copy.” Indeed Japan’s efforts in this direction predated the development of the IRIS-T missile.

AAM-5

Initial version of the missile

Characteristics:

Length: 3.105m
Width: 0.13m
Fin span: 0.44m
Weight: 95kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 3
Minimum Range: ?
Maximum Range: 50km maximum, 35km practical.
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket motor
Seeker capabilities: Imaging seeker
Warhead: Blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL, INS
Maneuvering Capability: 60G with TVC. Can do a 180° turn in ?s. (Equivalent to a AIM-9X)

AAM-5B

Upgraded version of the missile

Characteristics:

Length: 3.105m
Width: 0.13m
Fin span: 0.44m
Weight: 95kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 3
Minimum Range: ?
Maximum Range: 50km maximum, 35km practical.
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket motor
Seeker capabilities: Imaging seeker with dual band . Improved Gimbal over the AAM-5
Warhead: Blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAL, INS, DATALINK,
Maneuvering Capability: 60G with TVC. Can do a 180° turn in ?s. (Equivalent to a AIM-9X)

For more information: Japanese Weapons Master Thread

SOUTH AFRICA + BRAZIL

A-DARTER

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DISCLAIMER: The missile has not yet been produced.

The V3E A-Darter (Agile Darter) missile is a collaborative effort between South Africa’s Denel Dynamics (formerly Kentron) and Brazilian companies Mectron (now SIATT), Avibras, and Opto Eletrônica (which has been acquired by AKAER). The development of the A-Darter began in 1995, and extensive testing and evaluation processes were carried out until 2019. It still hasn’t entered production as November 2022.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.98m
Width: 0.166m
Fin span: 0.488m
Weight: 89kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Minimum Range: 400m
Maximum Range: 22km
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket booster
Seeker capabilities: Imaging seeker dual waveband, 90° Gimbal limit.
Warhead: ?kg high explosive
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAL, INS.
Maneuvering Capability: 100G with TVC, 50G without. Can do a 180° turn in ?s. (Probably around 2/3s)

BRAZIL

MAA-1B Piranha

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Credit to @MiG_23M for the picture

The MAA-1B Piranha is a fourth-generation air-to-air missile manufactured through a joint venture program between Mectron and Airbus Defence and Space. Its development initiated in the 2000s, and significant progress was made, including the completion of more than 40 guided flight tests by April 2012. Production was expected to begin in 2013 but no further information has been given by the Brazilian defense industry as they focused on the A-Darter.

Characteristics:

Length: 2.738m
Width: 0.152m
Fin span: 0.64m
Weight: 88kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 2.5
Minimum Range: 500m
Maximum Range: 18km (12km operational range)
Propulsion: Solid fuel rocket motor with 6sec boost.
Seeker capabilities: Dual waveband, 70° Gimbal limit before launch, 90° Gimbal limit after launch.
Warhead: 12kg blast frag
Guidance Type: LOBL.
Maneuvering Capability: 60G without TVC. Can do a 180° turn in ?s. (Probably around 3/4s). Programed to follow the target (Lag pursuit).

TURKEY

Bozdoğan

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The Bozdoğan (Merlin) WVRAAM (Within Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile) is equipped with an off-boresight capable IIR (Imaging Infrared) seeker that provides all-aspect engagement capability and counter-countermeasure capability. It incorporates high-thrust reduced smoke solid propellant technology and utilizes an electronic rocket motor aiming and firing system for reliable performance. The missile boasts advanced agility thanks to thrust vectoring, a unique warhead designed for maximum probability of kill, and a dependable fuze.

Complying with military standards MIL-STD-1553 and MIL-STD-1760, the Merlin missile is intended for use with the LAU-129 guided missile launcher.

On April 14, 2021, a live firing test of the Merlin missile was conducted from a Turkish Air Force F-16. The missile demonstrated exceptional accuracy by successfully destroying a TAI Şimşek target drone.

Additionally, the Bozdogan missile achieves speeds exceeding Mach 4, making it highly capable in terms of velocity.

Characteristics:

Length: 3.3
Width: 0.16
Fin span: ?
Weight: 140 kg
Maximum Speed: Mach 4
Minimum Range: ?
Maximum Range: 25km
Propulsion: Solid propellant rocket.
Seeker Range: Imaging infrared seeker with high resolution and HOBS , ? Gimbal limit
Warhead: Unknown
Guidance Type: LOBL, LOAL, INS, LOFTING
Maneuvering Capability: 60G TVC. Can do a 180° turn in ?s. (Probably around 3s)

OTHER

For more information on ARH (FOX 3) Missile, click this link.

*EDITS:

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Edit 1: Clarrified the number of element of the MK-80M seeker. Changed the MK-80M to the MK-2000 on the R-74M (RVV-MD).
Edit 2: Added the MAGIC 2 MK2
Edit 3: Added information about the MAGIC 2 MK2
Edit 4: Added the AIM-9L(I)-1
Edit 5: Changed the motor on the AIM-9L(I)-1
Edit 6: Changed element in the Disclaimer. Added elements to the Python 4 seeker.
Edit 7:Changed element for the AAM-3 characteristics. Changed minimum range for the R-74M2.
Edit 8: Added the R-73 “Reverse launched”
Edit 9: Added the R-27(E)T. Changed the ASRAAM from single plane to dual plane.
Edit 10: Changed the IRIS-T max speed to from Mach 3 to Mach 3+
Edit 11: Added the MAA-1B picture
Edit 12: Correction of gramatical errors
Edit 13: Changed the size and place of title, name of missile and characteristics for better readability
Edit 14: Added Turkey and the Bozdoğan missile
Edit 15: Changed MICA NG IR to MICA IR NG
Edit 16: Edited the AIM-9X max range
Edit 17: Edited the AIM-9X motor
Edit 18: Edited the AIM-9M motor
Edit 19: Added subvariant explaination for the AIM-9M
Edit 20: Added IFOV in game of IIR seeker
Edit 21: Changed the AIM-9X from 60G to 50G
Edit 22: Updated the AAM-5 part
Edit 23: Removed the Datalink of the ASRAAM/ IRIS-T and updated the Lofting on the ASRAAM
Edit 24: Removed the Datalink of the Python 5

_Fantom2451 · October 1, 2023, 2:52pm

MK-80M from what I know is same as Mk-80 (one band, two element seeker) but with higher gimbal limit before launch. New serial production multielement dual band seeker for new russian Archer series supposed to be MK-2000 (or something similar/copy, because it’s originally ukranian seeker).
(At least it’s the most suitable seeker according to the description of rvv-md from official sources)

Fireraid233 · October 1, 2023, 2:58pm

Nice!

Patriotic_FR · October 1, 2023, 3:22pm

Edited on the post.
This is what you meant?

_Fantom2451 · October 1, 2023, 4:07pm

Sorta yes

Faster_Boiiiii · October 2, 2023, 11:47am

i’m not sure what the exact split is now but the seeker is German(Diehl), the motor Norwegian(Nammo), control section Spanish(Sener Group), warhead Greece(confusing here but old info says GPCC but they’re a sub company of Pyrkal and they merged with another company), INS Italy(Litton Italia) and others

Fireraid233 · October 2, 2023, 5:29pm

From the weapons thread

Im also trying to find for info on the warhead. As far as I can remember there are claims of having 15kg warhead which is mentioned in the Japanese Wiki for AAM-3 and this pdf but it is known to be not a reliable source all the time.

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https://www.forecastinternational.com/samples/F659_CompleteSample.pdf

But it also says AAM-3 has a top speed of mach 3.5…which im not sure if I believe that.

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90式空対空誘導弾 - Wikipedia

And well wiki is not reliable as well.

ZVO_12_INCH · October 2, 2023, 6:00pm

RVV-MD2…
The minimum range to the rear hemisphere is 300 meters…when capturing a target on a trajectory-180 degrees…
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Patriotic_FR · October 2, 2023, 6:28pm

I’ve tried to include your elements on the thread. Tell me if that’s what you meant.

I modified it, i forgot about the 300M

I feel like it’s more an indication that’s it’s LOAF capable can can shoot 360° like the Python 5.
There’s no ways (physicaly imposible) that its seeker is ± 180) .
I’ve putted a 90° glimbal figure because i figured that what they said and it would also match Western missile seeker HOBS.

Fireraid233 · October 2, 2023, 6:47pm

Yes sorry for not saying. I will try to update you and my thread when new info comes up from time to time.

Kingtiez · October 2, 2023, 6:52pm

Reverse launching R-73 from a Su-27
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oom1992 · October 2, 2023, 7:20pm

@_Adrien94 Not bad and good job 👍

You guess gajin consider PL-5E, PL-5E II, PL-8B, AIM-9L/I-1, AAM-3, Python 4, AIM-9M-8, AIM-9M-9, TC-1 and R-73M this quarter (Q4) ?

MiG_23M · October 2, 2023, 11:36pm

Bank to turn confirms it increases maximum overload over AIM-9L by using combined plane all the time. This is why it is ~45G.

Patriotic_FR · October 3, 2023, 12:28am

Yes why not it’s really an equivalent to the 9L

Yes why not. It has better IRCCM than the other IRCCM missile rn. It’s as both Dual spectral and multi-element seeker. So would be simlar as the 9M in game (capabilities wise). Good IRCCM but “ok” kinematics.

A python 3 with good IRCCM. Should be implemented to counter the 9M/ R-73/ Magic 2 (fixed). Same IRCCM as the Magic 2, better than the R-73, different of the 9M so hard to compare. Better kinematics than the 9M but worse than (fixed) magic 2 and R-73

Really similar to the 9M we have in game so why not.

Could be a nice addition for Japan. I’m all for it. Unfortunaly we really don’t have a lot of info on the missile so it’ll be hard to implement or just speculation. But from the specs we know it could be implemented. Better than IRCCM than the 9L with Dual band* , better range, better gimbal for HOBS shots and better maneuvrability. It would be a top tier missile probably simlar to the PL-8B in capabilities.

*For the Dual band type of seeker they’ll have to introduced dual spectral flares that are not in game rn.

Feel like it’s too good rn. Better IRCCM than all the missile we have in the game rn (4-element seeker with dual band), better maneuvrability and better range than all the missile. The hard thing with the Python 4 is that it’s better than the missile we have rn but worse than the next gen missile sutch as the 9X/IRIS-T/MICA/R-74M. Seems like it’s closer to next gen than to the one we have rn so it should probably be added with those even if it’s not top tier at the time of the introduction. (At least if they give it it’s 70G dual plane).

I don’t even know which model of the 9M is represented in war thunder. If it’s a late one then the missile is already in the game.
If it’s a early one then the only improvement would be software (which we don’t know shit about) and better guidance during suspended tracking which mean than the ins would be more optimised. I don’t feel like it would change a lot to be honest.

Could be added as well rigth now. Aim-9L capabilities wise but just with a low smoke motor and dual band seeker. (which again , we don’t have dual spectral flares rn).

Not needed righ now. The R-73 is already good enough for top tier.
The R73M is a big upgrade over the R73.
Better range, up to 40km instead of 30km: it’s more equivalent of a Python 4 kinematic wise.
Better maneuvraility with better optimised TVC. The missile has a better turn radius than the base R73. 3s can be expected.
Better gimbal for the seeker with up to 60° before launch instead of 45° which makes it even better in HOBS shots.
If you’re talking about the R-74M (the one that was actually produced) then it has an improved IRCCM with Dual band.

TLDR:
All those missile bar the Python 4 and the R-73M could be added this Q4.
The R-73M/Python 4 would still need to wait 2024 and really are in between the current gen (in game) and the next gen Western AAM (9X/…). Could be added earlier probably if the community cry enought.

oom1992 · October 3, 2023, 3:52am

Gajin might consider add R-73M at least Q3 or Q4 2024 or Q1 2025, AIM-9M in war thunder maybe AIM-9M-3 or AIM-9M-6

I might expect PL-5E, PL-5E II, PL-8B, AAM-3 & AIM-9L/I-1 this month, and Python 4 could add on F-16D Block 40 Barak in december this year

David_Bowie · October 3, 2023, 8:48am

A Study on the Technical Trend of and Domestic Infra Analysis for SRAAM (Short-Range Air-to-Air Missile) Development

Although not shown in the chart, the AIM-9X was rated at over 50g.

Faster_Boiiiii · October 3, 2023, 8:57am

so let me guess, this is “country”, “name”, “year of development”, “range”, “seeker angle and track rate” and “max g”? if so then i have some objections here

even so, SK chose the IRIS-T lol

David_Bowie · October 3, 2023, 9:04am

ASRAAM, R-73, AAM-5 should be taken with a grain of salt. They referenced websites. AIM-9X, IRIS-T, and Python 5 presumably referenced their own materials and manufacturer’s materials.

Faster_Boiiiii · October 3, 2023, 12:03pm

IRIS-T is just wrong then lol, particularly the 12km range, diehl themselves stated 25 at some point. the 60G is also debatable… weird little list

Patriotic_FR · October 3, 2023, 1:48pm

The range estimate is a more conservative one for all the missile (it’s one they might achieve in a real combat situation) while the max range i putted in my thread (ie the 25km) is really the max kinematic range but not really achivable in real combat.