Simulator Battles Bugs and suggestions HUB - a possible way of gathering support to address SB problems

[zepirulitotiBR]

As most of you know, here in Simulator Battles, bugs and suggestions tend to have big delays not only due to the smaller community, but also because they are usually scattered through the many threads of the Game Discussion and Suggestion sections of the forum(where only few of them are read by other sim players)

Kind of following the idea Morvran used some months ago in creating a general support HUB, I thought it would (maybe) be a good Idea to gather the problems that are discussed here and properly create the necessary bug report/suggestions, and post the link of these here with a brief description in order to try get proper(easier) support from the Sim community.

In this HUB, the idea is that we will create, or share already made suggestions and bug reports(of course, in case they already exist) through links, so we might be able to properly see, support(or not) and avoid creating duplicates and bloating the suggestions(also easing the work of bug managers). On top of that, it would fix the issue of same posts created over and over again on the game discussion. The way it currently is, this section tend to have lots of (some times repetitive)complaints of bugs and suggestions, and very few of them end up reaching the moderators and managers(and the few that end up getting seen, don’t get much visibility from other sim players at all, also in part of how the filter used in the search tool doesn’t always point to suggestions directly related to SB).

So, the procedure I had in my mind for the answers of this post would be the following:

1 - Declaration of what’s the problem(be it a bug or an issue solvable by making a suggestion), with specific modes (Air sim/GSB low tier, etc.) affected

2-brief description of the problem, why it’s a problem, etc.

3- main links for support, leading to created bug/suggestion(remember to check for already created ones), or to an older one that you judge as relevant and addresses your issue (for changes, polls are suggested)

4- secondary links, leading to discussions you think are relevant(succinct way of supporting your point and sharing some context)

In case you liked some idea, bug, suggestion, I ask you to:

First, go to the link, and say that you have the same issue, you liked the suggestion, etc.

Second, in this post just leave a like to what you are supporting, avoid comments like +1, or others like that(remember that this is supposed to be a tool for gathering support for sim); and of course, in case you don’t support some idea, go to the suggestion poll or bug report and express your ideas there.

Also, when creating a post, leave the fine details, sources to back you up, etc. to the suggestion, bug report and maybe the secondary link, because this post is supposed to be a network of Sim players with the simple objective of better visibility and support to improve the currently precarious state of Simulator Battles, not the suggestion or bug report tab themselves.

Example:

Spoiler

• Problem: Inconsistent damage from some German cannons[Air SB] [Bug]

• Description of issue: It’s already common knowledge that the cannons used by ww2 german planes are currently outclassed, not only by the fact that the ballistics are known to be among the worst, but also due to the inconsistent and lower(currently the lowest among the 20mm range) HE damage compared to cannons used in other planes. Combine all of this with the fact that the only really maneuverable planes are the 109s and ta152H, and in Air SB you also end up seeing uptiered planes, like the Dora, a 5.7 mediocre(compared to others from this br) plane that can only shoot at still or very big/slow moving targets.

• Links:
  Community Bug Reporting System [Bug report regarding the damage of mg151]
  Community Bug Reporting System[Another more general bug report, relevant to this and also for guns of other nations, receiving merges from Community Bug Reporting System (inconsistent damage in general) and from Community Bug Reporting System (effect of wood structure on damage dealt by shell)]
  Community Bug Reporting System[regarding incendiary rounds effectiveness]

• Additional context: German 20mm HEI(minengeschoß) shells low damage compared to other 20mm guns - #39 by CheezborgaXXL

This might have not been the best example, as some of the bug reports are 2 years old, some had the conversation locked, this issue affects other modes(even though not as much as in sim), etc. But I think that with this example I managed to show you how this can work

Of course, remember that this is not the suggestions or bug report tab, I don’t want to get flagged due to someone posting an entire suggestion with explicit source here

And as a final word, I have no idea if this idea is going to work, but know that I’m doing it because I like this game, I like this mode, and I (tend to)like the players (cmon, in Low tier ground sim everyone knows each other). I believe there’s currently no comparable combined vehicle combat experience like the one we have in WT Sim; so, let’s try to make it better, I might be trying to do it in a weird way, but I’m still trying to do my part. If you see a post of someone complaining about something, ask them to make a proper suggestion or bug report in the correct sections, and try to link it here so other people might have an easier time seeing it.

Edit: the model I proposed of the problems being set are just an idea, being sharp and objective like the first 2 responses below, provided by Morvran, are very effective and welcome too(maybe Ideal even)

[Morvran]

AI convoys glitching through the terrain making them impossible to engage (or even seen)

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/8kgfQntnJyXP

[Morvran]

Also probably just worth linking this in the original post:

Broken HUDs (+HMDs + Cockpit MFD Issues)

Many HUDs in this game are missing features or are just completely broken. Many bug reports have been made over these issues and rarely is any of them fixed. Here’s a list of the ones I have found that are still not fixed. HUDS US AV-8B+ Missing radar target lock box (Accepted but not fixed) Second AV-8B+ Missing lock box report (Closed, Duplicate) AV-8B+/NA / Harrier GR7 Missing NAVFLIR HUD Capabilities (Accepted/Closed, info added to internal report) F-4S Missing radar target lock box (O…

[zepirulitotiBR]

F-47N Fm mistype of a value that makes it stall like no other plane in sim was not fixed together with the P-47N model in the last update; it thus ended up behaving like a totally different plane from the P-47N(even though they are aerodynamically almost the same) [Bug]

link of bug report: Community Bug Reporting System (kinda copypasted from the p-47N bug report of Community Bug Reporting System, made by Irregular23

Thread also made by Irregular23, that discusses it P-47N, which is also applied to the F-47N: P-47N‘s Flight Model is Crippled

[zepirulitotiBR]

Interesting suggestion for Air SB made 5 months ago regarding landing behind friendly lines to get a reduction in your next spawn cost: Air Simulator Battles - Enduring Confrontation Front Line making the front line aspects with it’s objectives(Air superiority, grond battles, etc.) more relevant

[zepirulitotiBR]

Seeing the problems with the Air SB rewards in one of the big threads here discussing about this issue, RunaDacino made some suggestions for improvements.
First, by spawn cost reduction of outclassed(“trainer” / lower br) planes of a given br bracket; and by the creation of a system to store silver lions that would be lost if a player made more points than the maximum rewarded by useful actions, using the “excess” Sl for paying for spawns of the next planes.
With these changes, there would be more incentives for the growth this mode, both by making it more forgiving to players, while also making it more engaging.

Links of the suggestions:

Idea for encouraging players to pick off-meta planes and join lobbies even if their favourite vehicle is bottom bracket by compensating repair costs (non-prem), additional rewards (prem).

Hello! The way spawn costs and the useful actions system interact leads to some anti-fun behaviour being incentivized. It makes flying bottom-bracket vehicles doubly-punishing as not only are you an underdog, you lose just as much SL as if you were top-bracket. Thus, if you only want to fly a specific plane you might opt to skip playing air sim until you’re middle or top bracket for that plane’s BR to minimize your losses. This I feel is bad for population numbers. Having read that in the pas…

Air Simulator "Deathbanks" from Excess Useful Actions for Respawning Without Paying SL

DEATH BANKS Originally, I thought “What if score rolled over between useful action cycles?” but that’s clearly abusable and would just solve the issue of “People leave lobbies” as getting the full reward requires sitting out multiple UA cycles until the roll-over runs out. Still, this is one of the biggest issues: It takes 30 minutes of very anti-fun flying that hurts both the player and their opponent’s experience and it’d solve that quite well. How can we avoid it being abused? It’s simple…

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Post of discussion:

Sim rewards being terrible

[image] [image] fighting on red side in the mig-29, facing gripens with AIM-9M’s and not having the counterpart for my own nation, i’d say i did pretty damn well, with a K:D ratio of around 2 overall, but still, the rewards were less than sub par, resulting in a total gain of only 45k RP and 45K SL [image] can sim rewards at least be revised? maybe scrap the UA system entirely please? because at this point there’s no point me going out and support my team if ive already attacked one person…

[Morvran]

@MythicPi Has a set of suggestion to overhaul the base objectives we already in ASB.

Rework of the "Bombing Target" objectives in Air SB

Air simulation battles has long had the same handful of objectives for players to partake in beyond being an EC team deathmatch. These objectives are paramount for a team to have a good chance of winning the battle, but have many glaring issues that are overdue for being corrected. Objectives have no real impact on the general game-state beyond tickets. Objectives barely interact with the players, and do so in questionable ways when they do. Objectives are not roughly period appropriate in the…

Rework of Air Sim "Surveillance Aircraft" objective

Air simulation battles has long had the same handful of objectives for players to partake in beyond being an EC team deathmatch. These objectives are paramount for a team to have a good chance of winning the battle, but have many glaring issues that are overdue for being corrected. Objectives have no real impact on the general game-state beyond tickets. Objectives barely interact with the players, and do so in questionable ways when they do. Objectives are not roughly period appropriate…

Rework of the "Bomber" objective in Air Sim battles

Air simulation battles has long had the same handful of objectives for players to partake in beyond being an EC team deathmatch. These objectives are paramount for a team to have a good chance of winning the battle, but have many glaring issues that are overdue for being corrected. Objectives have no real impact on the general game-state beyond tickets. Objectives barely interact with the players, and do so in questionable ways when they do. Objectives are not roughly period appropriate…

Rework of the "Attacker" objective in Air Sim

Air simulation battles has long had the same handful of objectives for players to partake in beyond being an EC team deathmatch. These objectives are paramount for a team to have a good chance of winning the battle, but have many glaring issues that are overdue for being corrected. Objectives have no real impact on the general game-state beyond tickets. Objectives barely interact with the players, and do so in questionable ways when they do. Objectives are not roughly period appropriate…

Rework of the "Convoy" objective in Air SB

Air simulation battles has long had the same handful of objectives for players to partake in beyond being an EC team deathmatch. These objectives are paramount for a team to have a good chance of winning the battle, but have many glaring issues that are overdue for being corrected. Objectives have no real impact on the general game-state beyond tickets. Objectives barely interact with the players, and do so in questionable ways when they do. Objectives are not roughly period appropriate in the…