Sd.Kfz.251/17 Ausf. D

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I would like to suggest the Sd.Kfz.251/17 Ausf. D armed with the 2 cm Flak 38 L/65 in the Schwebelafette.
It is basically a combination of the 2 cm Flak 38 L/65 and the Mg 151 Drilling mount, but with more armor.
(Its either 2 cm Flak or KwK 38, however that is irrelevant as they are identical guns.)

In game it would offer a mobile realtively armored vehicle and another version of the Sd.Kfz.251, armed with the 2 cm Flak, to the lower ranks and give adequat AT and AA firepower to support the main tank force.

It was designed to replace the Sd.Kfz.251/10 as the command vehicle, as the 2 cm gun was seen as more universal against ground and airtargets beyond the 3,7 cm Pak L/45. Earlyer attemts with a Sd.Kfz.251 and a 2 cm Flak gun required the modification of the armor plates, while the new developed small Schwebelafette was small enove to fit into the unmodified compartment as well as leaving enove space for the ammo and radio equipment all while offering 360° 10mm armor protection to the gunner.

History of the Sd.Kfz.251:
The AHA IN6 (Inspectorate of Motorized Troops) requested a armored Half track to accompany tanks on the offensive and perform auxiliary mission in 1939. These tasks were (not limited to) Scouting, mobile HQ, command vehicle, radio vehicle, forward observer and ammo carrier. And be a bigger version to the then also in development Sd.Kfz.250, its smaller brother.
It was an development of the Sd.Kfz.11, which was made by Demag, who was allready recognized for their expertise in very small and fast half tracks, which was recently accepted into service. Of these Sd.Kfz.11 were around 12.000 produced until 1945 and additional 15.252 of the armored version Sd.Kfz.251. The armored body was designed and produced by Büssig-NAG abd called Mittlerer gepanzerter Mannschafts Transportwagen (medium armored troop transporter) with the number Sd.Kfz.251.

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While not the same vehicle, the same mount.

The Gun:
2 cm Flak 38 L/65 in Schwebelafette 600 rounds reserve (Its either 2 cm Flak or KwK 38, however that is irrelevant as they are identical guns.)
Mg 42 in AA and anti ground mount at the back. Maybe Shoulder Stab, the whole gun is ballanced by the weight/body of the gunner.
-10 to +60° elevation 360° traverse at 60° Sec

With 10, 20 or 40 round magazins usable.

Ammo: Different AP and HE rounds. 148g/820m/s to 120g/920m/s and HVAP 100g/1050m/s
For more info (and ease of editing when new/more info is available, ill only add it here:

The Vehicle:

Armour Front (Slope angle) Sides Rear Roof
Hull 14.5 mm (20°) Engine compartment
14.5 mm (29°) Driver cabin
8 mm (42°) Lower glacis 8 mm (41°) Top - Engine
8 mm (35°) Top - Crew compartment
8 mm (19°) Bottom - Engine
8 mm (34°) Bottom - Crew compartment
8 mm + 8 mm (34°) Storage bins
8 mm Bottom - Undercarriage 8 mm (30°)
5.5 mm (41°) Lower glacis 8 mm (9°) Engine compartment
5.5 mm Driver compartment
10 mm gunshield
Speed: 53 km/h
Weight: 8 ton
Engine: 100 Ps/2800 Rpm

Source:
Sd.Kfz.251 Manual
D.660/20 2 cm Schwebelafette 38
Spielberger Halbkettenfahrzeuge 1989
Waffen des zweiten Weltkrieges: eine Enzyklopädie

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Please 🥺🙏🙏 more low tier AA

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+1 at 1.3 br

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they need to add this

Great rank 1 premium :) o7

I want it so much.

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20 mm isn’t to good nowadays but having this would be fun, me want.

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Me too !

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Nah a lowtier Bagle panzer for germany… instant ptsd

Doesn’t germany already have like 4 separate 2cm flaks?

No, only Flakpanzer I, 2 crew, slow, Flakpanzer 38 (t) the same but 10 km/h faster and Wirbelwind.

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Flakpanzer 1, Flakpanzer 38, Sd.Kfz.222, Sd.Kfz.6/2.

Germany does not need a fifth rank 1 SPAA.

The Sd.Kfz.222 has the KwK with 10 round mags and a nerf with 6 sec reload, the Sd.Kfz.6/2 has a 3,7 cm Flak 36 L/57 not 2 cm Flak.
Need? Maybe not, if the Sd.Kfz.222 gets the same 3 sec reload of other guns (cince it also has only 10 rounds its 1/4 the strength of the 2 cm Flak with 20 rounds and 3 sec reload). But certainly fun vehicle would this be.

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Unless you want an excuse to seal club rank 1s, there’s no reason to add this.

Ah, not this again…
Ok, move along, i dont care.
Just because people like Rank I and vehicles like Halftracks, doesnt mean its seal clubbing, there are also noobs and beginners at top tier, who buy their way up. But all that is off topic so move along pls.

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There is more than enough reasons to add this unless for some mad reason you think that goal of this game is to grind toward top tier (with isn’t worth grinding towards nor playing).

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Wanting many vehicles and vehicles of a certain type has nothing to do with seal clubbing and you coming back and saying such again just shows that you are only here to make a flame war, no thank you.

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Dude, seal clubbing is happening around top tier, why do you think playing better battle ratings is seal clubbing? Besides I do not think nation have to do with anything.

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More low tier 20mm is always fun. +1

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Updated ammo and info.
40 round mags also available for this vehicle, which will make it a formidable threat to both Air and ground, being mostly proof to small caliber Mgs from short range with the 10mm angled gunshield.
This if not the most awesome 251 type that i hope will be added.

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