Major Update Concept/Pitch - "Call of Mahabharata" - The Indian Nation & Ground Tree

[slowmo21too]

Major Update Concept/Pitch - “Call of Mahabharata” - The Indian Nation & Ground Tree [Updated v.7]

Would you like to see India become a Independent Nation?

• Yes
• No

(Flag of the Indian Army)

(Indian Armor Corps Insignia)

Hello! This has been a topic i’ve long thought about and wanted to see come to fruition ingame!

Description:

India Is a large and populous country rich in its culture and history, both civil and military, its Armored Corps really kicking off then it was a British colony post-WW1, and once it had gained its independence in 1947, it began to develop its own tank designs with help from the Germans in the 50’s, however mainly composed of Russian (Then-Soviet) Imports. India truly began developing its own tanks and vehicles in the 80’s, when the concept of “Made in India” became mainstream for military development. Currently, India stands as a regional power in southern asia, and is ranked as the 4th most powerful military in the world with the 2nd largest army. From this, its interesting to see how India is has only 2 vehicles in-game, both of which are in the British TT, when they have more than enough vehicles to make a independent nation tree comparable to China.

Below I made a example TT (That is probably unbalanced af), that could be used to start india as a nation in WarThunder. However there are a few things to note:

1. When Israel was added, they started with 20 ground vehicles, while the total count in the example TT has 120. I understand the difficulty that comes with modeling assets, features, and balancing, especially within a timeframe, so it is likely that if it does ever get added, some vehicles will not be immediately added.

2. While I play and love WarThunder, I am not perfect, so I will try to create reasonable BRs for the vehicles, estimations based on other ingame TTs and data. Chances are these BRs are wrong, and would be changed, if they are ridiculously wrong, ill say now, im sorry.

3. IMPORTANT: this TT is a work in progress and is prone to change (More countries may come…)

[Indian Ground Tree v.7]

Basic Stats of TT:

• 120 Total Vehicles

  • 91 Researchable Vehicles

    • 69 Unique Vehicles

    • 24 “Copy-Pastes” (With the 1 event vehicle, 20% of Tree)

  • 19 Premium Vehicles

  • 6 Event Vehicles

  • 3 Squadron Vehicles

  • 1 Tournament Prize Vehicle

For Comparison: Chinese TT

• 77 Total Vehicles

  • 53 Researchable Vehicles

    • 22 Unique Vehicles

    • 33 “Copy-pastes” (Including the 2 Premiums, 43% of Tree)

  • 13 Premium Vehicles

  • 1 Event

  • 1 Squadron

List of Vehicles:

---

Light Tanks

Renault FT I (1.0 Reserve)

A inter-war Renault FT, seeing overall improvements and served in the Indian army through WW2

Stats:

Armament:

• 1x 37mm SA 1918 Cannon (AP, HE)

Armor:

• 8mm - 22mm (RHA)

Mobility:

• 7 km/h Forward

• 8 km/h Back

M2A4 (1.0 Reserve)

Surplus M2A4s operated by the indian army post WW2

Stats:

Armament:

• 1x 37mm M5 Cannon (AP, HE)

• 3x 7.62mm M1919 Machine Guns

Armor:

• 6mm - 25mm (RHA)

Mobility:

• 58 km/h Forward

• 5 km/h Back

Humber (1.0 Researchable)

Humber Armored Cars used by British India at home and in the North Africa campaigns

Stats:

Armament:

• 1x 37mm M6 Cannon (AP, HE)

• 1x 7.92mm BESA machine gun

Armor:

• 15mm (RHA)

Mobility:

• 80 km/h Forward

• 19 km/h Back

Vickers Mk.VI (1.0 Researchable)

India was one of the largest users of the Vickers Light tanks, using them heavily for patrols at home and during the North Africa Campaign

Stats:

Armament:

• 1x 15 mm BESA Heavy Machine Gun (AP, AP-T)

• 1x 7.62mm BESA Coaxial Machine Gun

Armor:

• 4 - 14mm (RHA)

Mobility:

• 56 km/h Forward

• 4.8 km/h Back

Tetrarch (1.0 Researchable)

India was supplied tetrarchs Through the British for use at home or in N.A.

Stats:

Armament:

• 1x 40mm QF 2-Pounder Cannon (AP, HE)

• 1x 7.92 BESA Coaxial Machine Gun

Armor:

• 14mm (RHA)

Mobility:

• 64 km/h Forward

• 7 km/h Back

M3 Stuart (1.0 Researchable)

India was supplied M3’s through the British for use at home or in N.A.

Stats:

Armament:

• 1x 37mm M6 Cannon (AP, HE)

Armor:

• 9 - 50mm (RHA)

Mobility:

• 58 km/h Forward

• 5 km/h Back

PT-76 (5.0 Researchable)

Russian export, serving from 1965-1971 in the Indo-Pakistani War.

Stats:

Armament:

• 1x 76.2mm D-56TS Cannon (APHE, APCR, HEATFS, HE)

• 1x 7.62mm SGMT Coaxial MG

Armor:

• 6mm - 15mm (RHA, CHA)

Mobility:

• 45 km/h Forward

• 8 km/h Back

Kestrel (7.3 Researchable)

Indegenous Design to replace BMPs in service, future modifications are planned, however only the WhAP variant is in service.

Armament:

• 1x 30mm 2A42 Autocannon (AP-T, HE-T, HEI)

• 1x 7.62mm PKT Coaxial MG

Armor:

• ??mm - ??mm (STANAG, HSS)

Mobility:

• 100 km/h Forward

• ~20km/h Back

Sarath (8.3 Researchable)

Russian BMP-2 Export, still in service, however being pushed out by TATA Kestrel.

Armament:

• 1x 30mm 2A42 Autocannon (AP-T, HE-T, HEI)

• 1x 7.62mm PKT Coaxial MG

• 1x 9M113 Konkurs ATGM

Armor:

• 6mm - 30mm (HHRA)

Mobility:

• 72 km/h Forward

• 12km/h Back

Zorawar LT (10.3 Researchable)

India’s newest light tank and response to the Chinese Type 15. While currently in development, it is stated to enter testing later in 2024.

Armament:

• 1x 105mm Cockerill 3105 cannon (APDS, HESH)

• 1x 7.62mm Coaxial MG

Armor:

• ??mm - ???mm (Aluminum, Composite, STANAG 5)

Mobility:

• [DATA UNKOWN]

Sarath NBC (8.3 Premium)

Reconnaissance variant of the Sarath capable of withstanding NBC attacks.

Armament:

• 1x 30mm 2A42 Autocannon (AP-T, HE-T, HEI)

• 1x 7.62mm PKT Coaxial MG

• 1x 9M113 Konkurs ATGM

Armor:

• 6mm - 40mm (HHRA, Composites)

Mobility:

• 70 km/h Forward

• 12km/h Back

DRDO LT (8.7 Premium)

A Light Tank prototype developed by the DRDO in the late 70’s, essentially a BMP chassis with a french turret and 105mm cannon.

Armament:

• 1x 105mm TS-90 Cannon (APFSDS, APDS, HESH)

• 1x 7.62mm Coaxial MG

Armor:

• 6mm - 40mm (HHRA, RHA,)

Mobility:

• 60 km/h Forward

• 10 km/h Back

Abhay (10.3 Premium,)

A Indian IFV tech demonstrator to replace the BMP 2, however was never put into service.

Armament:

• 1x 40mm Bofors L/70 Autocannon

• 1x 30mm AGS-17 Automatic Grenade Launcher

• 1x 7.62mm PKT Coaxial MG

• 2x MILAN ATGM

Armor:

• ??mm - ???mm (MCA, HHA, Titanium, DHSA, AFA, Composites, ERA)

Mobility:

• 70 km/h Forward

---

Medium Tanks/MBTs

T-54 (8.0 Researchable)

A Russian export T-54… thats about it… yep.

Armament:

• 1x 100mm D-10T Cannon (APHE, APCBC, APHEBC, APDS, APCR, HE)

• 1x 7.62mm SGMT Coaxial MG

Armor:

• 20mm - 205mm (RHA, CHA)

Mobility:

• 56 km/h Forward

• 9 km/h Back

T-55 (8.3 Researchable)

[See T-54 for context lol]

Armament:

• 1x 100mm D-10T2S Cannon (APDS, APCBC, APFSDS, HEATFS, HE)

• 1x 7.62mm SGMT Coaxial MG

Armor:

• 20mm - 205mm (RHA, CHA)

Mobility:

• 56 km/h Forward

• 9 km/h Back

Vijayanta Mk.1B (8.7 Researchable)

An improved Vijayanta, with a upgraded electric FCS and added laser sight.

Armament:

• 1x 105mm Royal Ordinance L7A1 Cannon (APDS, HESH, HEATFS)

• 1x 7.62mm L3A1 Coaxial MG

Armor:

• 20mm - 100mm (RHA, CHA)

Mobility:

• 54 km/h Forward

• 13 km/h Back

Vijayanta Mk.2 (9.0 Research)

The final upgrade for the Vijayanta, having a better engine and armor, only to be phased out by imported Ajeya tanks and the Arjun Program.

• 1x 105mm Royal Ordinance L7A1 Cannon (APDS, HESH, HEATFS, APFSDS)

• 1x 7.62mm L3A1 Coaxial MG

Armor:

• 20mm - ???mm (RHA, CHA)

Mobility:

• ~54 km/h Forward

• ~13 km/h Back

Ajeya Mk.1 (9.3 Researchable)

A good ol’ Imported T-72M1…

Armament

• 1x 125mm 2A46 Cannon (APFSDS, HE)

• 1x 7.62mm PKT Coaxial MG

Armor:

• 40mm - 400mm (RHA, CHA)

Mobility:

• 67 km/h Forward

• 5 km/h Back

Ajeya Mk.2 (9.7 Reasearchable)

A T-72 with minor improvments and the addition of ERA blocks

Armament

• 1x 125mm 2A46 Cannon (APFSDS, HE)

• 1x 7.62mm PKT Coaxial MG

Armor:

• 40mm - 400mm (RHA, CHA), +370mm (ERA)

Mobility:

• 67 km/h Forward

• 5 km/h Back

Bhishma SK (10.0 Researchable)

A Export Russian T-90SK… yessir.

Armament

• 1x 125mm 2A46M-5 Cannon (APFSDS, HEATFS, HE-TF, ATGM)

• 1x 7.62mm PKT Coaxial MG

Armor:

• 30mm - 120mm (RHA), +420mm (ERA)

Mobility:

• 67 km/h Forward

• 5 km/h Back

Arjun Mk.1 (11.3 Researchable)

The first true indigenous design of India, built in collaboration with Germany, becoming the Arjun MBT, a replacement for the Ajeya and Bhishma tanks.

Armament:

• 1x 120mm ARDE Cannon (APFSDS, HEAT, HESH, LAHAT, SAMHO, TB… and… :)… PCB…)

• 1x 7.62mm Tk715 Coaxial MG

Armor:

• NERA (CLASSIFIED: Warthunderers, do your thing ;)

(Don’t, actually…)

Mobility:

~ 70 km/h Forward

Arjun Mk.1A (11.7 Researchable)

An major upgrade for the Arjun Mk.1, originally called the Mk.2, however was renamed to the Mk.1A due to issues within the program.

Armament:

• 1x 120mm ARDE Cannon (APFSDS, HEAT, HESH, LAHAT, SAMHO, TB… and… :)… PCB…)

• 1x 12.7mm NSV RCWS

• 1x 7.62mm Tk715 Coaxial MG

Armor:

• Composites, NERA, & ERA (CLASSIFIED AGAIN: Warthunderers, do your thing ;) + APS

(Please don’t, really…)

Mobility:

~ 70 km/h Forward

Vijayanta (8.3 Premium)

Already In the game…

• 1x 105mm Royal Ordinance L7A1 Cannon (APDS, HESH, HEATFS)

• 1x 7.62mm L3A1 Coaxial MG

Armor:

• 20mm - 100mm (RHA, CHA)

Mobility:

• 54 km/h Forward

• 13 km/h Back

**Bhishma TWMP (10.3 Squadron)

Also already in the game… :D

Armament

• 1x 125mm 2A46M-5 Cannon (APFSDS, HEATFS, HE-TF, ATGM)

• 1x 7.62mm PKT Coaxial MG

Armor:

• 30mm - 120mm (RHA), +420mm (ERA)

Mobility:

• 67 km/h Forward

• 5 km/h Back

---

Heavy Tanks

Churchill Mk.VII CS (5.7 Researchable)

A british india churchill, equipped with a 95mm gun for close infantry support, and are no longer in service being phased out in the 1950’s.

Armament:

• 1x 95mm QF Howitzer (HE, HESH, AP, Smoke)

• 2x 7.62mm BESA MGs

Armor:

• 51mm - 152mm (RHA)

Mobility:

• 22 km/h Forward

---

Anti-Tank/SPHs

Abbot (5.7 Researchable)

A british export of the SPH variant of the FV430 chassis, first given in the 1960’s, however are no longer in service.

Armament:

• 1x 105mm L13A1 Howitzer (HE, HE-VT, HESH, Smoke)

• 1x 7.62mm L4A4 Commander’s Pintle MG

Armor:

• 10mm - 12mm (RHA)

Mobility:

• 47 km/h Forward

K-9 Vajra-T (8.0 Researchable)

A South-Korean K-9 SPH export, replacing the Abbot.

Armament:

• 1x 155mm CN98 Howitzer (HE, HE-VT, PF)

• 1x 12.7mm 6P49 Commander’s Pintle MG

Armor:

• 10mm - 40mm (RHA)

Mobility:

• 73 km/h Forward

• 42 km/h Back

NAMICA (10.0 Researchable)

Also called the NAMIS, it is a Anti-Tank Missile Carrier using BMP-2 chassis to carry the indigenous F&F, Top-Down, “Nag” ATGM.

Armament:

• 6x “Nag” ATGMs

• 1x 7.62mm Tk715 Commander’s Pintle MG

Armor:

• 6mm - 30mm (HHRA)

Mobility:

• 72 km/h Forward

• 12 km/h Back

Bhim (6.3 Premium)

A 155mm SPH that was built by South Africa for the Indian Army, being cleared for production until the manufacturing company, Denel, was blacklisted due to corruption, canceling the production.

Armament:

• 1x 155mm Denel L52-G5 Howitzer (HE, HEVT)

• 1x 7.62mm FN MAG Commander’s Pintle MG

Armor:

• 14.5mm (RHA)

Mobility:

• 60 km/h Forward

---

SPAA/SAMs

ZSU-23-4 (8.0 Researable)

Russian Export ZSU-23-4… thats about it.

Armament:

• 4x 23mm AZP-23 Autocannons (API-T, HEF-I, HEFI-T)

Armor:

• 8.9mm - 9.4mm (RHA)

Mobility:

• 55 km/h Forward

• 9 km/h Back

Trishul CV (9.0 Researchable)

The Trishul CV was a SAM Carrier for the failed Trishul SAM, developed in the 1980’s.

Armament:

• 4x Trishul SAMs

Armor:

• 6mm - 30mm (HHRA)

Mobility:

• 72 km/h Forward

• 12 km/h Back

Strela 10M (9.3 Researchable)

A Russian Import Strela… whohoo!

Armament:

• 4x 9M37M SAMs

Armor:

• 7mm - 30mm (RHA, Armoured Glass)

Mobility:

• 67 km/h Forward

• 12 km/h Back

**2K22 (10.7 Researchable)

You guessed it! Russian Exports. :D

Armament:

• 2x 30mm 2A38 Autocannons (AP-T, HEF-I)

• 8x 9M311 SAMs

Armor:

• 9mm - 15mm (RHA)

Mobility:

• 71 km/h Forward

• 71 km/h Back

9K33 (11.0 Researchable)

A Russian export… BUT it would be new to the game and would be a new a d fun vehicle to play with.

Armament:

• 6x 9M33M3 SAMs

Armor:

• 9mm - 15mm (RHA)

Mobility:

• 80 km/h Forward

---

Miscellaneous Vehicles

SWITCH (Reconnaissance Drone)

A Indigenous recon drone used for anti-terrorism, and would make a decent scout drone for india.

---

Additional Stuffs:

---

India's Armor

Kanchan Composites:

So while Russia has Texolite, most western nations use Chobham, India has its own composite armor, known as Kanchan. While the current version, Kanchan Mk.2 is classified for obvious reasons, we know the composition of Mk.1 Kanchan, and from it can make relatively safe assumptions to what it is comprised of. Mk.1 Kanchan is made from layers of RHA, Ceramic, Fiberglass, and Aluminum Oxide, with a handful of plastics and minor elements to create it.

The resulting composite, when equiped on the Arjun Mk.1, reported being capable of withstanding a direct front hit from a T-72’s D-10 gun, regardless of ammunition, at point blank, as well as withstanding HESH and APFSDS, even resisting israeli APFSDS rounds. In theory then, the Kanchan Mk.2 armour seen on newer arjuns should be as capable to defend from modern rounds as well.

The Kanchan plates within the Arjuns are estimated to be between 315 and 350mm thick, with inserts on the Arjuns, and thinner add-on and aplique armor on Vijayanta tanks.

---

Indian APS

India currently operates mainly “Soft-Kill” Active Protection Systems on its Arjun and Bhishma tanks, however has been experimenting with “Hard-Kill” Systems, particularly using Rafael’s Trophy System on its Bhishma Tanks, and is currently developing its own APS, known as Rakshak.

Previously, the indian company TATA and swedish Saab company were collaborating to create a APS system for Arjun and Bhishma known as the LEDS 150, and despite being slated for production, never entered service.

---

Indian Munitions

Nag ATGM

The Nag is a Tandem-HEAT, All-Weather, Fire & Forget ATGM indigenous to India, being the first of its kind in their arsenal.

Type:

• IIR ATGM

Range:

• 4km - 5km

Angles of Attack:

• Front/Direct

• Top-Down

SAMHO ATGM

The Semi-Active Mission Homing Missile is a Gun-Launched, Tandem-HEAT ATGM designed to be fired out of the 120mm guns of Arjun tanks.

Type:

• Semi-Active Laser Homing ATGM

Range:

• ~3km

Angles of Attack:

• Front/Direct

Trishul SAM

The Trishul is a SAM designed by the Indian DRDO as a rapid-response, short-range SAM used in the 2000’s.

Type:

• Command Line-of-Sight SAM

Range:

• ~9km

Angles of Attack:

• Proximity Fuse

---

India In Game:

India’s vehicles already in game are mostly well-liked, and thus I believe a tree with completely unique, but competitive vehicles from India would also be a fantastic addition to the game with incredible potential, and would help represent a decent amount of war thunder’s player base. It would be in a similar situation to China, with a solid lineup of top-tier, however would see many copy-pastes from other nations. This can be partially remedied similar to how Israel was done, having copy-pastes being somewhat unique with retextures.

The BIG Issue: Vehicle Transferring.

To my knowledge, vehicles have never been moved from one nation to another, however I believe it should be done to remain consistent, and they should have a automatic unlock to the TT and keep bonuses and such, however if it cant be done… oh well ig ¯\(ツ)/¯

Also…

India is a nation with a thriving variety of aircraft, helicopters, and ships that would make fantastic additions should India become a independent nation, such as:

---

Aircraft

MiG 21

HAL Tejas

SEPECAT Jaguar

Dassault Rafale

---

Helicopters

HAL Chetak

HAL Rudra

HAL Prachand

Mi-17

---

Coastal/Littorial

HDMLs

HMIS Sutlej

HMIS Assam

HMIS Tir

---

Bluewater

INS Ganga

INS Rajput

INS Ranjit

INS Rana

---

Sources:

---

Lotta Sources...

Abbot (artillery) - Wikipedia

Active Protection System (APS) | iDEX

Arjun (tank) - Wikipedia

Bhim self-propelled howitzer - Wikipedia

Bhim

Army Guide

Ground vehicles - War Thunder Wiki

List of equipment of the Indian Army - Wikipedia

Trishul (missile) - Wikipedia

DRDO Abhay (Fearless) IFV Technology Demonstrator Specifications and Pictures

DRDO rolls out light tank prototype

DRDO Arjun Main Battle Tank (2006)

Indian army unveils NAMICA new anti-tank tracked armored vehicle | weapons defence industry military technology UK | analysis focus army defence military industry army

Nag (missile) - Wikipedia

Indian Army (IA): Equipment and News - Page 9

Trishul (missile) | Military Wiki | Fandom

https://www.indiandefencereview.com/zorawar-the-mountain-tank/

Kestrel Armored Personnel Carrier | MilitaryToday.com

The British Abbot 105mm Self propelled Gun - TankNutDave.com

The Indian Army Have A New Tank Killer | 21st Century Asian Arms Race

SA-8 Gecko 9K33 OSA Ground-to-air missile system data sheet

K9 Thunder - Wikipedia

13年磨一匕首：印度DRDO轻型坦克 - 哔哩哔哩

Vijayanta Main Battle Tank (1965)

India Test-Fires Trishul Missile (Dec. 22)

Abhay IFV - Wikipedia

Indian army to receive 100 more South Korean K9 Vajra self propelled howitzers | Defense News January 2023 Global Security army industry | Defense Security global news industry army year 2023 | Archive News year

T-90 - Wikipedia

T-90M Bhishma Main Battle Tank (MBT) Specifications and Pictures

9K35 Strela-10 - Wikipedia

Arjun Main Battle Tank | MilitaryToday.com

The Indian T-90 Bhishma Tank - TankNutDave.com

Parting shot: Arjun Mk 1A main battle tank

The Indian Army is planning to introduce the Made in India K-9 Vajra self-propelled artillery guns in the Eastern Ladakh sector where it has already equipped its troops with Spike missiles.

Vijayanta - Wikipedia

SAMHO - Wikipedia

https://www.drdo.gov.in/app/technology-cluster-links/labs-products-detail/2632/174

2K22 Tunguska - Wikipedia

Vijayanta - Bharat Rakshak - Indian Army & Land Forces

NAG ATGM | BHARAT DYNAMICS LIMITED INDIA

T-72M1 Ajeya

T-72 Ajeya Indian main battle tank (1982)

Zorawar LT - Wikipedia

Vickers Abbot (FV433) Self-Propelled Artillery Specifications and Pictures

---

Also found these while researching, would be cool no?

---

Potential Pfps

---

Potential Loading Screens

---

[AlvisWisla]

Updated post:
Not a lot of unique vehicles, but it starts at rank 1 now.
Soft no, but mostly indifferent now.

[ChieftainWarrior]

I like the concept but it’s missing quite a few vehicles, so tentative +1 for now if it was expanded to it’s full potential:

DRDO LT (90mm)

The 105mm one is this one, you’ve mixed up the photos:

BMP-2 Rafael

Tank EX

T-90MS

Arjun Prototype 1

Arjun Prototype 2

T-55 Gulmohar

The Arjun’s also probably are too high in BR, they should be more comparable to the 2A4.

Edit: Your image of the Zorawar is also not of the Zorowar, this is the Sabrah light tank.

Zorawar LT (10.3 Researchable)

The Zorowar will look like this:

[Laiti]

Very well done, and plenty more to add! Would love to see this tree implemented in some form.

[FlyingOstridge]

Honestly with how it’s looking now either as a British sub tree or a combined India/Pakistan tree would be good use for these ok designs.

[slowmo21too]

To be fair, Israel has been in the game for years now and has had time to grow, again it had started with 20 vehicles, now has dozens of vehicles and a variety of trees, and is still missing the majority of its light tanks and APCs, however still struggles with repeat vehicles like the Magachs, Shot Kals, and Merkavas, and I believe that india has a langer unique tree than israel.

The TT in the suggestion is just a example starter TT, at a size that could be added within a major update, and does not show a final size, as India still has dozens of other unique vehicles capable of being added (See post below yours for a handful).

As for Copy-pastes, this will be a problem, however I believe it can be remedied as some vehicles within the tree can be replaced by indegenous designs, however I do fall under the belief that vehicles that saw service or at-least heavy prototyping should enter the reasearch tree, while tech demonstrators and conceptual models should be premiums or event vehicles.

In addition to this, having india as a major nation would allow the better fitting of minor-nation sub trees such as in Indonesia and other tropical nations and other “One-Off” Vehicles, like the Lithuanian Vilkas or Norwegian VIDAR.

[AlvisWisla]

Except for the fact that over 80% of the Israel tech tree was added in 2 major updates back to back, and most of it is unique vehicles.
So yeah, this is a no.
It has less than half the unique vehicles Israel started with as well.

This is incomplete, there is not enough vehicles, objectively.

[Mystery_ewwe2]

to be quite frankly i don’t know much about Indian vehicles, but there’s barely any line up in this concept, it lacks vehicles, it also doesn’t has 4 minimum lines so yeah it’s quite trash was of right now.

i mean unless for your 6.3 you want to play only AMX-13, PT-76 and abbot it is pretty sad was of right now.

I Dont like to argue about copy-pasting since there’s alot of trees in this game that do it but 8 of the 21 vehicles are bring from another nations, 11 are upgraded which is okay i dont go agaisnt it and finally only 2 are totally national which can be unique in the game, in my perspective it lacks alot more of upgraded vehicles or national vehicles to form a entire new nation.

[AspandaIV]

+1 though this needs a lot of work in fill in the gaps, not only that, a lot of vehicles are missing

I would love to see an Independent Indian Air TT since they have quite the extensive TT and unlike Israel has unique domestic designs that had production runs like the Kiran and Marut for example. Same goes for the Helicopter TT

Edit: Just found this on my pc which was a Indian Air TT would look like, or the very least my interpretation of it looks like. I made this at least 3 years ago. I’m probably going to do a more up to date version of this but i cannot entirely guarantee it

[Berserker0011]

If India ever gets added it should be as another English sub tree

[slowmo21too]

Got your stuff in there plus a few extra!

Hope the fuller tree makes more sense, plus theres still more coming!

If theres anything else just let me know!

[NotKringe]

I like the clean and concise layout of the tech tree. Given that India has already developed their own equipment, it makes sense that they would deserve a place in WT.

However, as someone already pointed out, the current proposal would needs more unique addition (like Indian-made modification) to make it stand out more and offers something worth playing.

Also, I think you need to separate the SPG/TD branch from the SPAA/SAM branch, because that would not make logical sense otherwise unless some of these are dual-purposes like ADATS.

Other than that, I will give +1 for the potential, and I hope that this will be the starting point for people to looking into the Indian arms industry and find something new.

[NotKringe]

Just done a bit of digging and found this interesting Indian SPG.

This is the M-46 Catapult, a 130 mm SPG based on a lengthened hull of Vijayanta tanks. The gun is the 130 mm M-46. The SPG has entered service in 1981 and decommissioned recently in 2021.

I think this would make a nice gap filler between the Abbot and the Vajra.

Army says goodbye to artillery guns that served for six decades

[Yontzee]

I’d be down for an independent India tree but there’s quite a bit of stuff to recommend changing. I’d remove Rank III and focus on creating a lineup there. Here is a design of mine (that’s outdated right now) that if you want, you can take from. You’re going to need copy and paste in it. It’s inevitable.

• Notes:
  • BMP-2 and BMP-2 Sarath was a error on my part. It’s supposed to be the standard variant and the variant that focuses on the thermal imager modernization.
    • Also curious on this BMP-2 Sarath upgrade that features two ATGM’s on the mount instead of the singular.
      • Indian Army’s BMP-2 Sarath Gets a Firepower Boost with ATGM Upgrade and CLAMS Integration – Indian Defence Research Wing
  • Mine is missing the Atharva and some SPG’s so +1 to you on that.
  • Zorawar could be bumped to 10.7.
  • Disregard T-90MS as the vehicle has not been accepted into service, nor delivered. India procured funds in 2019 for it however, nothing has evolved from the deal since.

[ChieftainWarrior]

Looks better now! Still missing the T-90MS which would bolster the 11.3-11.7 lineup but otherwise it’s a nice suggestion!

[Yontzee]

Curiously, what is going on with India’s acquisition of the T-90MS? I haven’t heard anything on them receiving any.

[ChieftainWarrior]

I was under the impression they already had them, but I just checked and maybe they haven’t actually… A lot of stuff seems to say they approved the deal a couple years ago and wanted them produced soon but none seem to have appeared. Maybe the war in Ukraine is slowing things down?

[Yontzee]

That’s what I’m thinking. I think with the other vehicles, both experimental and regular, it will be fine without the T-90MS.

[ChieftainWarrior]

Only issue is that 10.3 is the second highest BR for an MBT after the Arjun Mk 1A, and to my knowledge there aren’t any other options other than the T-90MS. I know that they’re working on a new MBT but who knows when it’ll be revealed.

[Yontzee]

That’s fair, I agree. I think over time we’ll see options develop for top rank. They have several projects going on. The new hybrid Atharva is a testament to that being a cost effective way to upgrade T-72’s. Maybe they’ll develop the T-90S and Atharva further by incorporating Kachan armor to them or something. New ammo too. I know there T-90S is going through a modernization right now as well. One of them could lead to an indigenous upgrade of the vehicle that could be radically different/better and sit at top instead of the Tagil since the Tagil is MIA for the foreseeable future.