Announcing the Removal of the R2Y2 from Research

[Nell_Lucifer]

I can understand to an extent the removal of the V2 and V3, but not of the V1. That is the most straightforward and realistic variant of the R2Y2, requiring the least amount of speculation and guesswork from the R2Y1 basis as there’s quite enough information about the plane itself spread out through the internet and in various books.

Not to mention that they are not actually replaced… and their ‘replacement’ is going to be another copy-paste. This is going to be another Panther II/Tiger 105 situation that instead of fixing the issue with the vehicles (Panther II → either into the 88 Panther F or 1943 Panther II; Tiger 105 into the normal, 5 crew unmodified turret 105 proposal) they get removed without actually trying to address the issues with said vehicles.

[BasherBenDawg8]

@Stona_WT does this mean the amount of vehicles required to unlock access to Rank 6 vehicles will be decreased? I didn’t see any mention of this, and it’s quite important for progressing through the tree.
(And if someone else brought this up and I failed to see it, I apologize in advance. I did a quick skin and didn’t see any mention of this).

[SinisterIsRandom]

Please read what I wrote above. It is a designation.

Just like how the Japanese A7He1 was the Japanese designation for the He-112.
The same goes for the Me-262A2a. However, that designation is also what would be used for the Ki-201 Karyu. That also means the Japanese BF-109E-7 had a Japanese designation irl. As well as the B-17, P-51 and F4U. Though I’m guessing none were being used cause too much work.

[Zyranovos]

No, they only had test results and make their own (Mitsubishi) F-2, which is an entirely different jet.

[AlvisWisla]

What is it now?
Cause after the change it should be 4.

[FlipAllTheTables]

@SinisterIsRandom

Please read what I wrote above. It is a designation.

Please read everything else that has been provided. It shows that the Ki-201 is physically larger than the Me 262, and a different shape.

It is not just a copy of the Me 262. The comment you are replying to here shows this, the “blue outline” of the Ki-201 comes from official drawings, which include measurements of the plane.

Now the plane is obviously inspired by the Me 262, this is obvious. But it is most definitely not the same plane, or a “designation” that they gave the Me 262.

[アストルフォくん]

The Ho-ri is also in gaijin’s partner game despite it never existing in the real world too, would be best if it were removed since it can’t be reasonably balanced due to its armor and unrealistic performance for size

[MAxiMILioPl22346]

I don’t agree on that decision, personally I think it doesn’t really matter if there were only blueprint’s and no prototype was build, if there never truly existed like no prototype and no blueprint than it would be okay to remove it but come on man you still need some more vehicels(especially for Japan) so please for god sake and the love of this game let the blueprint’s stay.

[General_Efin_Lee]

Thing is there arent even any real blueprints for any of the R2Y2’s

[FlipAllTheTables]

@Herra_Tohtori

The J7W2 would be more controversial and basically equivalent to the R2Y2’s in terms of realism, since only the propeller-driven variant was ever designed, built, and flown… but damn it would be a cool looking plane.

They should add it because I think it looks awesome.

Please Gaijin I beg of you even if this plane is more paper or even fictional than the R2Y2 I don’t care I want it to bad.

[xXCamelGunnerXx]

Yeah man I hate fun too!

[侍KAMIKAZE侍]

Yeah they were nerfed already like a year ago. They have slower muzzle velocity and are inaccurate. While Type 5s kept tracers so are still usable tho the Ho 155 did not and are pretty useless now and need fix too. Overtiered br of 30mm vehicles ofc stayed the same - because well gaijin does not care of ww2 stuff no more.

By renerfed you mean like not nerfed right?

There are so many posts unhappy with state of planes that use 30mms.

Make japanese 30 mm planes playable again!

Pretty sure right after the nerf of japanese 30mms other people and I talked about it. But nothing changed since then as gaijin seem to care only of top tier these days I will talk about it again. Like a half a year back (actually it might be almost a year at this point) japanese ww2 30 mms were nerfed - have now slow muzzle velocity, very inaccurate and Ho-155 got removed its only working shells (He tracer). Even before that they were not perfect. They had slow fire rate and had very few shells…

Japanese 30mm tracer round nerf

So the Japanese 30mm tracer rounds now have a velocity of 770m/s - the same as the other rounds. Will planes like the J7W1, Kikka, J2M5 (prem), Ki-84hei, and the R2Y2s be getting their BRs looked at?

Buff Japanese Ho-155 30mm cannons

They’re god awful to the point they do literally nothing. Regardless of the belt, they behave more like ultra slow rate of fire bottom-barrel 20mm’s. The rest of 30mm’s are actually punchy, deal damage and cause fuel explosions or surface destruction. The Ho-155s do absolutely no damage regardless of the belt.

J7w1

EDIT: Below where my first impressions of the plane. It has a good guns and some quirks. It’s a bit hard to get used to though. Feels like a 4.X plane, I guess it’s stuck at 6.0 because people are turned off by it? Or maybe the cannons push it up in BR? A single yellow surface cripples its maneuverability, flat spins are common. Can’t outrun any plane at it’s BR, definitively not out turning anything.

The Ki200 is horrible

This thing is horrible, it’s a worse me163 in every single aspect and yet it sits at a higher BR. The guns are awful, it’s slower, has less engine power, turns worse, compresses more, and yet it sits at 0.7 br higher. If the japanese 30mm’s were any good it would be kind of justified, but they are now some of the absolute worst cannons across the entire game. The only way to balance this thing out (as well as most of late japan ww2) is to make japanese 30mm’s (especially ho155’s) actually funct…

[jon_man1199]

@Smin1080p_WT

Which as described in the article above, fall outside of the scope of the game

So, I’m a tad bit confused about that particular statement. Why are the developers so against adding incomplete vehicles anyway, and how exactly do incomplete vehicles “fall outside the scope of the game”? I can fully understand the removal of purely paper vehicles like the R2Y2, but what’s the deal with incomplete vehicles? Just the fact that they were started tends to signify they were mature designs capable of being built. Can the numbers not be extrapolated or taken from the blueprints if it’s a data issue?

[Josephs_Piano]

Go to “the article above” which describes the criteria… which is, I think, this one:

Announcing the Removal of the R2Y2 from Research

The Yak-141 was a prototype combat vehicle, with all systems tested or planned. Which falls well within the scope of aircraft for the game. Sadly with the R2Y2s, this was not the case. Not a single one flew and the V2 and V3 are far more questionable than the V1. We have made clear our intention to remove them from research once the Japanese tree was suitably populated with other CAS options for some time.

[jon_man1199]

Yeah, I saw that it had mentioned this, I’m just curious as to the why

@Stona_WT

In War Thunder, we want to include vehicles that were complete and built; either in full, in the prototype phase or in the experimental phase.

[tester188]

I have re-examined the historical context of the R2Y2. To clarify, the R2Y2 is not a jet fighter but a high-speed torpedo bomber. While the R2Y2 V2 to V3 variants may need to be removed from the game, there is room to retain the R2Y2 V1 for naval battles by removing its cannons and adding torpedoes. Alternatively, I propose replacing it entirely with the late-model R2Y1, which was historically reclassified from a reconnaissance aircraft to a torpedo bomber. Even in the initial design phase of the R2Y1 reconnaissance aircraft, there was a payload option to carry two 800-liter drop tanks.

By autumn 1944, the Keiun R2Y1 reconnaissance aircraft project was on the verge of cancellation due to Japan’s deteriorating war situation. However, a new plan emerged for the Keiun Kai R2Y2.

The Keiun Kai R2Y2 was designed to be equipped with two Mitsubishi Ne-330 turbojet engines (producing 1,320 kgf of thrust each at ground level) in a twin-engine configuration. It aimed to achieve a maximum speed of 796 km/h at sea level, maintain nearly consistent high-speed performance up to 8,000 meters, and have a range of 1,202 km. The aircraft was intended to carry torpedoes or bombs. Crucially, the conversion from the Keiun R2Y1 required minimal modifications: removing its original twin piston engines and replacing the space with fuel tanks. The project could proceed rapidly once the jet engines were completed.

The Imperial Japanese Navy took keen interest in the Keiun Kai R2Y2. However, some argued that completing the original Keiun R2Y1 prototype was essential first, to test the airframe’s performance, handling, and stability. As a result, the first prototype of the Keiun R2Y1 was prioritized for completion.

Spoiler

Okamura, Jun & Iwaya, Eiichi (1960). Nihon no Kōkūki: Kaigun-ki Hen [Japanese Aircraft: Naval Aircraft Volume]. p. 201.

Diagrams of R2Y1 and R2Y2 V1, with an explanation that they can be equipped with drop tanks and bombs.

Spoiler

Hagiwara, Shiro & Akimoto, Minoru (Eds.). (1962). Nihon Gun’yōki Sanmenzu-shū [Dai 2] (Kaigun-ki Hen) [Collection of Three-View Drawings of Japanese Military Aircraft, Vol. 2 (Naval Aircraft Volume)]. p. 154, 159, 200.

[skultew1234]

@Smin1080p_WT

The Yak-141 was a prototype combat vehicle, with all systems tested or planned

So you can add XT-4 where were all combat systems tested or planned (It had much more ready systems than Yak-141) or Fuji T-1 where as can be seen was ports and whole aircraft was ready for using armament
Japan tech tree deserve their own vehicles but R2Y2 was deleted only after adding the F-84 clone vehicle?

[skultew1234]

@tester188

When will the issue of the missing bombs on the Ki-102 Otsu, a mass-produced Japanese ground-attack aircraft from WW2, be fixed? If the R2Y2 is being removed from the game for the sake of historical accuracy, shouldn’t the historical inaccuracy of the Ki-102 Otsu also be addressed at the same time? The Ki-102 Otsu was introduced to the game earlier than the R2Y2, in Update 1.35 back in 2013, yet the issue of its missing bombs remains unresolved, limiting its functionality as a CAS aircraft.

In World of Warplanes, the Ki-102 Otsu can carry two 250 kg bombs.

In Kantai Collection, the Ki-102 Otsu can carry the Ki-148 missile.

In War Thunder, the Ki-102 Otsu cannot carry a single bomb.

@Smin1080p_WT Could I ask you to send to the aircraft developers this message with added report because Japanese attacker is missing bombs load for 11.5 years in game.

Also please send that Japan need the replacement from Japan and not the Thai clones

[skultew1234]

It is really interesting information about R2Y2 but I am afraid that it is impossible to suggest something because devs has already decided to fully delete R2Y2 because it never flew

[KhorneFlakez1337]

@Stona_WT @Smin1080p_WT

So, if paper vehicles are such a massive problem, why is it that the hidden German tanks still are allowed in sim and realistic battles?

Also, why are the F-16AJ, Ho-Ri and Panther F staying then?