Don’t even go there, you’ve never played the HSTVL.
Youve never played british APDS tanks.
Did I ever claim to be good? No, yet you did and somehow have worse stats.
I have : D
old account? as I cant see them on ur stats.
either way you get a bit numb to the shell shatters on the side of a cardboard tank after then 500th time. HESH never functioning right bursts a different blood vessel each time tho
Aside from France, every nations have premiums at high tier ranges. Every nation and every team suffer from these issues, because there’s a shit ton of those wallet warriors in all nations. You just can’t be helped when the skill ceiling of US mains in general is pretty terrible 🤷♂️
I often see premium TKX on the top of the leaderboard. I even sometimes see Russian premium high up there. Usually with 0 or 1 death. I almost never see a premium US main above the first half, unless the second half is also made of only premium 1 death leavers.
Most of these people have less than 200 battles. It’s funny you mentioned skill ceiling as opposed to experience. People don’t inherently have a worse “skill ceiling” depending on where your homeland is.
The type 90 fuji is an over performing tank at 11.3 which constantly gets downtiered to 10.3. It’s funny you use that as an example. Plenty of threads asking for it to be BR changed.
You never see US premiums above the first half thanks to US armor bugs, but that’s been beaten like a dead horse already and not the point of this thread.
Skill ceiling as, their top performance at a certain time is just not enough to be of any use above 5.3br, let along high-top tier
I don’t play between 10.0 and 11.3, since I don’t have a vehicle in this BR range (playing France, I only have 11.7 as of now, the leopard 2A4 I don’t play, since it has no lineups). When I say I see them performing well, it’s 11.7 well.
And at that BR their vehicle isn’t that good. Good reload and mobility and that’s it.
Ah, here is the US cope. Yeah yeah US armor is bad. Cry me a river. The Abrams series are still better armored than :
-Type 10/90
-Leclerc
-Ariete
-Challenger 2 (and 3)
-Merkava (can be discussed, the weak spot are quite different)
-ZTZ99 (also can be discussed. This vehicle is smaller)
It has definitely worse armor than :
-Leopard 2 based vehicles
-t series based vehicles
Yeah the US tanks are so under armored that explain why so many US mains cant remove their asses from the front of their eyes and not insta leave after 1 death and 70 points (awarded when they got shot).
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Taking shots at the whole collective US player base instead of the group I’m speaking of.
Nice backpedaling.
Sigh there we go with the “cope” buzzword again. Typical NPC anti-US rhetoric.
Did you see me say US Armor is bad? No. I’m speaking of the bugs, which have already been accepted and Gaijin continues to sit on.
Again, what I said is completely different than you are arguing about. A little reading comprehension would go a long way.
Not back pedaling here. We were mostly talking about US premium players, since that’s the origin of the thread. I’m not going to say that the US teams in general aren’t usually below average, while teams like Japan are usually above average tho (premium and non premium)
And yet it’s still cope.
Most nations have terrible armor bugs. The Leclerc is missing about half of its UPF armor, and up to a few hundreds of milliliter on the turrets of the later variants. The Type 10 is a joke as of now. Same for the merkava. The Ariete war kit, despite being several centimeters thick, offers something like 30mm of armor.
The US « armor bug » in comparaison is mostly negligible, and doesn’t significantly impact the vehicle so much that it makes the win rate of this nation several times worse than the nations listed above (comparing win rates)
You start complaining about US premiums, I talk about US team skills (premium included).
You start blaming the armor, I answer on that. Maybe the armor is a bug, maybe it’s not fair, but when opening your eyes and looking around, you’ll notice that many nations aren’t treated fairly in this game and are still doing better. That’s all I was saying
That is the most inaccurate statement I’ve seen on the forums yet. The lower mantlet of the Abrams is given a FLAT value of 25.4mm and the turret ring has been given a FLAT value of 50.8 mm. This means that every automatic cannon past tier 6 can reliably penetrate the Abrams frontally. Not only that, but the hydraulic drive is modeled in the area behind the turret ring instead of where the engine is. So one or two automatic cannon shots can reliably disable 10 different variants of the Abrams.
You brought up the first statement yourself. I simply answered with facts. You proceed to tell me I’m “coping” because I mentioned bugs. Check yourself. You yourself has continued the conversation in this way.
sigh what about the Leclerc, type 90, and Ariete that have the exact issue of being pennable from the front by most auto cannons, in more places than the Abrams ? And yet their statistics are drastically better (even the ariete)
Excuse me, who started a thread complaining about US teams ?
Ooohhh right.
And who brought the armor in the discussion first ?
Oooohhh right
“Cope”
New players
Responding to a stupid statement
Ah yeah, you use the armor argument to complain about something. I straight up explain how that does not hold anything, and I’m coping ? Sure buddy…
Yeah, seems like it’s not just a new player thing tho.
And yet you have to respond with even more stupid statements.
Seems like your reasoning is falling apart here.
I won’t bother responding anymore, I guess I’m just dealing with a lost cause at this point.
Let’s just end with this if you prefer :
You are completely right buddy. The whole world is against you. The reason the US team is struggling so much is because of the new players, and the armor. Gaijin are the bad guys and you are completely right and always will be.
You’re too dumb to realize that you were leading the conversation this way.
- You blame the entirety of US Mains as the problem
- You make a comment stating that you never see US mains at the top of the scoreboard
- I give a valid reason why to which bug reports have already been accepted for. You then start all these needless dramatics. This should have been where the conversation ended.
- You respond with US cope
- You continue to cry about something completely unrelated to the conversation after have already disrespected the entirety of the US player base.
- More waterworks/drama. Get over yourself
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Ima be honest. Im sick of people crying about the click bait being bad. Its actually the exact same thing as the m1a1 HC minus the dozer blade, its not a bad tank. 70% of the time neither are its users either, ultimately it comes down to known issues that all abrams have and people who went and got the clickbait to get to top tier faster not knowing about those issues and how to work with them.
BTW I am a US main
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Dude, your a freaking hero, keep up the good work
I agree with you, they aren’t bad.
GRB and SB should be locked by researched tier meaning if you have a T3 tank unlocked, you can join up to T3 GRB/SB. If you only have one T7 premium, you could only join AB. This would make progression a necessity and weed out GRB of players without experience. It would also help stabilize nation win rates. This wouldn’t hurt Gaijin’s sales since it’s not limiting people from using their premiums but also encouraging competitive play.
Plus this would be a deterrent to people who get caught cheating
Not sure if this is sarcasm, but either way, thanks
This will only move the problem elsewhere.
Just force US to be on both teams and WR is going to improve.
What if people want to use premiums in GRB ?
They will be limited.
This issue is not unique to people that play 10.7-12.0 USA. Most nations recieve a rank VII or rank VIII premium tank to have only one of them in a line-up. The Leopard 2A4 123 spam was (and still is to some extent) an almost game-breaking experience of low-skilled teammates for German players from 9.3/9.7-12.0. The same happened in the first year of the T-72 Turms’ introduction.
Why even leave a match? It’s always worth it to try and turn the battle around in your favour.
Crew lock is there specifically for people that show unsportsmanlike behaviour and don’t try to win a battle by continuing to spawn. However it only impacts people that leave the game before it has started (if they have 1 or more vehicles in their line-up) or especially people that DO bring a line-up.
I have played plenty of games with my slow and cumbersome Challenger tanks, or lately my more decent Leclerc tanks where I was able to turn an early spawncamp situation around into a victory. Don’t give up so fast. The US also has plenty of extremely good CAS vehicles to use to turn the battle around if you don’t feel confident you can achieve that with a ground vehicle.
Decompression is always needed, I agree.
The Clickbait abrams and its Australian squadron vehicle sister are both actually extremely decent tanks when I look at how my Squadronmates play it and what I experience playing against them when they’re driven by experienced players. They just have a higher skillceiling compared to a more straight-forward T-80, T72 or Leopard 2 premium. Even when taking their plenty of armour bugs and the thin turret ring, this tank is still very decent, just not as good as a leopard 2 or T-series (with more easy-to-hit frontal weakspots on the abrams). Just don’t rush head-first into danger.
Although these numbers might just be your personal impression, that isn’t unique to any particular rank. These types of games can be seen everywhere. They are just far more prevalent at BR’s where you can buy yourself into and lots of people do that at the same time (like the extremely popular USA and USSR tech trees, which have sold an exorbitant amount of premiums at rank VII and VIII).
Personally I think it would be better if using line-ups with only 1 vehicle should be punished, instead of rewarded like it currently is (where it’s better to just use 1 vehicle in your line-up if you only want to play that premium vehicle). The crew lock should recognise the fact that you didn’t bring tanks in your other slots and maybe increase the crewlock time should you leave after 1 death without spawning in another vehicle in the first 9 minutes of a match (unless you’ve used a backup maybe).
By the way, this is once-again another woe post of ODL, and you’re by far not the only one to complain about it.: