So we can call on enemies in our normal matches to come to a truce and not kill each other, and that’s fine?
Is that what you’re trying to say is fine?
Because that’s what the issue has been the entire thread…
Well, there is an abundance of it in the game and YouTube, isn’t it? Players deliberately do not shoot down enemy nuke bombers; players intentionally allow significantly weaker enemies to go; and some players escort enemy bombers to the bomb base before killing them. They are all, in some manner, a form of truce, in my perspective. Unless you believe they are all breaking the rules and should be reported?
One on one, it’s not a problem, but it’s the mass enagement with the enemy to farm that is the actual issue here…
If you’ve seen it on the SA servers, then how prolific is that on that set of servers, and how many are doing it, because if you even have 4-6 people doing it, that’s still not the same as a small light tank finding a large enemy and wanting to hang about.
VERY different.
It’s conspiring with the enemy, on a grander scale.
I’ve always taken even talking to the team to tell them that someone is in an area, is even bad behaviour… But calling on truces to avoid engaging, is a whole other level…
If one person asks for a truce and no one responds but continues to engage in the same PvE activity they were before. Does that constitute consent/collusion?
In my opinion, it means nothing at all and the only person that “might” be in violation of any rules in the person who asked.
You have different tiers
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A lobby in which most are just doing PvE
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A lobby where most are doing PvE and someone asked for PvE only in all chat
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A PvE lobby with people enforicng that PvE with tactics like abusive messages and TKs
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A lobby created and populated with pre-planned people explicity for farming
First 1, not “illegal” at all. Second, technically bad, but not a big deal
Last 2, very bad.
How’s it not the same?
Is someone doing PvE in a “PvE lobby” automatically guilty of violating the EULA?
You have spent the last hour trying to say they were. So how do you prove it?
What is a rule violation and what isn’t?
Even if it’s not enforced and merely accepted, it makes all the genuine players of that mode lose out because they get to do it all in safety, without hostility…
@Bunny_宝妮 I don’t think you thought the issue through, and this guy is using your statements to try and make out that it’s alright.
I think this needs to actually be addressed because there are actual problems with allowing this to even be… Chances are some have already ground out the BP with it, and the current crafting event without a single actual hostility and more consented kills.
Just wastes all the effort that anyone legitimately puts into the game.
Well, are they being forced to play PvE? There are no concerns as long as everyone is just playing without being forced to follow any player-made rules, as a game master has already described quite clearly.
Honestly, during the events, I would rather take an attacker and blast some AI units, which earns me far more points per minute than flying around looking for someone to shoot. Playing in PvP earns you more points per kill, but if I am on a full-turbo grind in the event, I would rather attack some AI units for a more consistent stream of scores (at least in my experience; better air sim players may disagree).
The big distinction here is that I am ready to engage in PvP at any time and anywhere, in a passive manner. However, most of the time, all of the players are just as busy as I am and simply ignore me during the entire match. I do get some opportunistic kills every now and then if someone happens to get into my gun sight, but I prefer not to engage in active PvP because it slows down my point-earning process. So, is this a violation of the rules?
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But what denotes “Acceptance”?
Should I immediately quit that match? Switch aircraft? Start hurling abuse at the guy? What am I suppose to do?
If they ask once and press it no further, then I just ignore them and go about my buissness, if they start repeatedly asking, I’d report it using the in-game function. But regardless of a “PvE lobby” or not, I employ the same tactics and in the same manner. If I do it right, I shouldnt see other players.
If someone PvPs and someone starts getting shitty. Then I report them. But if nothing happens or there is no PvP. (it happens if the match is quiet) then it doesnt prove anything. Only that no one has found anyone yet
You’re not calling into the enemy, to not engage… This is what those rooms and the insinuation behind them entails.
I’m sure this breaks the EULA as much as having someone sit on a cap, cap, then back off to let the enemy cap, and so on… I seen someone mentioning a pair did that in a random match and ended up with 20 caps…
It does, technically.
But the point Im trying to press is that simply being in one of those lobbies doesnt denote guilt automatically.
Technically I don’t care if you want to excuse it for any reason… It becomes common knowledge when you play with a bot farm of players, that it’s clear that there’s no PvP going on…
It’s almost as if people have forgotten the bot farm of consoles in Sim to make this sort of thing, a thing…
(False flaggers need removal, It’s hilarious because when challenged on this, I found a bot farm without even trying…)
What are you on about?
I think you need to read more and think about what we’re talking about more than trying to make excuses and whataboutisms for every scenario under the sun…
You are saying that anyone and everyone who engages in PvE acitivities after someone says “PvE lobby?” in all chat is automatically guilty and should get perma banned
Except. That is just stupid and idiotic and downright insane. Bombing bases is not against the EULA, never has been and never will be.
You just want PvE removed from SB. For what reason I dont know, but at this point I dont think you actually understand what this thread is about. It is about people using various tactics, like being abusive, false reporting or TKing to enforce a “PvE lobby”.
An entire match engaging in Mostly PvE activities doesnt mean they are colluding, might be out of game, its true, but almost impossible to prove without a pattern of matches.
So anwser this question, and you have yet to answer it.
With the punishment being a ban of some decription.
What criteria does someone have to meet to be in violation of the EULA when it comes to colluding with the other team in SB?
I told you before I was done with you, and the only response that I’ve given is because you were all ‘Good post’ to Bunny, who I genuinely don’t think recognized the actual insinuation, and what was being alledged here, all the while you’ve been excusing it the entire time.
Just because you don’t understand it, doesn’t mean it’s not a concern.
Maybe its you who needs to re-read through this thread. Inclduing the original post, because everything that I have said has just been para-phrasing others includng a GM.
I’d especially focus on the posts by Schindibee who is an ACTUAL senior game master who actually plays SB. Because everything i’ve said is what hes said as well.
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The issue of "PVE" matches - #447 by Schindibee
The issue of "PVE" matches - #414 by Schindibee
So let me make it really nice and simple for you:
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Just doing PvE in a random match is not violating any EULA
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Actively avoiding “PvP” through the use of certain tactics (such as low level flying) is not a violation of the EULA
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Someone saying “PvE Only” is technically against the EULA
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Someone else saying “PvE Only” does not make that same PvE action a Violation of the EULA
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Someone else saying “PvE Only” does not make those PvP avoidance tactics a Violation of the EULA
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Choosing to totally ignore the player who said “PvE Only” and continuing as you were before they joined/said anything is not a Violation of the EULA
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Agreeing to “PvE Only” in chat is collusion and thus a violation of the EULA
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Being abusive or TKing is definetly a violation of the EULA
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You may want to avoid using red text, that’s a special colour apparently.
I’m looking for clarity from the Game Masters on this because the situation is obviously out of your grasp being you’re fixated on what doesn’t count and trying to explain why people are vulnerable, when I’ve already mentioned many times that they are pretty obvious when you actually think about it rather than just straight deny it.
So @Bunny_宝妮 and @Schindibee who else do we need to bring into this, because I see this as not being an issue anymore seeing as the event is over and the BP is almost over, the sim PvE’ers here, would likely be long finished…
This shouldn’t be accepted in the slightest, and it allures to the idea of using the old sim botfarm method being ‘fine’ because the ‘player’ didn’t say ‘pve’ but yet just shot up a whole heap of bots on an airfield…
But its not “Always” that obvious though. You have only stated that someone engaging in PvE action in a manner that appears as if they are not “worried” about PvP (such as not looking around, or flying in a straight line) is proof of collusion. Depsite several examples being provided where that same behaviour could be innconently explained. Such as simply being a new or bad player.
But yes, It would be best to hand this over to a game master who can actually explain the rules to you better than I can.
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