Thailand sub-tree : Ground tree

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Hello everyone We have already talked about aircraft. Let’s talk about the Ground Force branch. For this topic, it is a discussion for the Thai Ground tree branch in Japan. And brought to make suggestions and proposed as a sub-tree for everyone to read again. and will start presenting as follows.


Royal thai army cavalry badge since before 1932 - present

The concept of merging the Thai ground sub-trees in Japan.
Since 1930, the Royal Thai Army has used combat vehicles from foreign countries. These combat vehicles include armored vehicles, tanks, and various types of tracked vehicles. with procurement from the national budget and received assistance from friendly countries. One of the tanks that the Thai Army has purchased is a Ha-Go tank (Type 85 Light Tank in Thai Services) from Japan. It played a role in the Thai Army’s invasion of Kengtung during World War II, the 1947 coup, and other political turmoil. and is still in use until decommissioned around 1957. The Ha-Go light tanks are also preserved at the Royal Thai Cavalry Center. Saraburi ( Video on Reference ) In addition, after World War II, there were many weapons from the Japanese army left in Thailand. Including the original weapons ordered by Thailand These weapons were then adapted to be mounted on vehicles such as the Type97 on T17E2 and 47mm naval gun on half track.

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Type 83 (Ha-Go) light tank in the Kengtung combat operation.

Type 83 (Ha-Go) light tank in the 1947 coup

To this day, there are no tanks or weapons from Japan like before. But there is still military cooperation, including joint training. Various military cooperation such as Cobra gold every year, etc.


Thai soldiers and JSDF practice civilian evacuation planning exercise Cobra Gold

The main idea in this forum is mainly to increase the number and variety of cars. Including enhancing the anti-tank and anti-aircraft defense of Japan to be better than before.


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RANK I

Vickers 6 ton, Type B
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History
In 1933, the Royal Thai Army ordered 10 “CardenLoyd 6 ton, Mk.E” light tanks from England. These vehicles, built by Vickers Armstrong, were officially named “Type 76 light tanks”. 12 more Vickers 6 Ton Type Bs were ordered in 1938, officially known as the “Type 81 light tanks”. All vehicles were retired in 1952. They played a role in the war by participating in the conflict between Thailand and Indochina between December 1940 and April 1941, especially at Ban Praw Battlefield.

Specifications
Mass: 7.3 ton
Length: 4.88 m
Width: 2.41 m
Height: 2.16 m
Crew: 3
Performance
Engine: Armstrong Siddeley petrol 80–98 hp
Suspension: leaf spring bogie
Maximum speed: 22 mph
Armour:19 to 25 mm
Armament
Main armament: Type B 3-pdr 47 mm gun
Secondary armament: Type B 1 Vickers machine gun

M8 Greyhound

History
1957 The Royal Thai Army received 25 M8 armored vehicles from the Royal Thai Police. which plays a role in maintaining internal security While there are always political changes and the use of force against communist terrorists in the 4th Army Area and the 3rd Army Area.During 1971-1972, communist terrorists carried out violent attacks at Nan Province. The government therefore uses this armored car to protect the road construction for the Department of Highways. and when the situation resolved, he was discharged in the year 1973

Specifications
Mass: 7.4 ton
Length: 4.70 m
Width: 2.31 m
Height: 1.91 m
Crew: 4
Performance
Engine: Hercules JXD 6 cylinder 4-cycle inline gasoline engine 110 hp
Suspension: Leaf spring
Maximum speed: 89 km/h
Armour: Up to 25 mm
Armament
Main armament: 1× 37 mm gun M6
Secondary armament: 1 × .50 M2 Browning machine gun 1 × .30 M1919 Browning machine gun

Type 76 SPAAG
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History
After the revolution in 1932, the Siamese army ordered anti-aircraft guns from Vickers by installing QF-2 anti-aircraft guns on the Mk.IV Dragon carriage. And was put into service in 1933, using the official name “Type 76 Self-propelled anti Aircraft Gun”, used during the suppression of the Boworadet rebellion. It was also used during the Franco-Thai War and used in the defense of Bangkok concurrently with the “Type 78 Searchlight Truck” and was replaced in this role by the “Type 77 anti-aircraft artillery.” and used after World War II until being retired in 1957

Specifications
Mass: 3.3 ton
Length: 4.01 m
Width: 2.06 m
Height: 1.88 m
Crew: 6
Performance
Engine: Armstrong Siddeley petrol 80–98 hp
Suspension: Leaf spring bogie
Maximum speed: 48 km/h
Armour: 5 to 10 mm
Armament
Main armament: QF 2-pounder Mark II ‘Pom-Pom’

T17E2 staghound
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History
In 1949, Thailand ordered 25 Staghound armored vehicles, divided into 25 army vehicles and 23 police vehicles, using the official name “Type 92 Armored Car” with both regular models. and a modified version to use both the Japanese 20 mm Type 97 automatic cannon and the Danish Madsen 20 mm cannon. The Staghound was in use until 1959, so it was decommissioned and retired in 1972.
Specifications
Mass: 11 ton
Length: 5.45 m
Width: 2.75 m
Height: 2.20 m
Crew: 4
Performance
Engine: Armstrong Siddeley petrol 80–98 hp
Suspension: Leaf spring bogie
Maximum speed: 48 km/h
Armour: 5 to 10 mm
Armament
Main armament: 1 x Madsen 20 mm cannon (RTA Use) , 1 x 20 mm Type 97 automatic cannon and 2 × .50 M2 Browning machine gun (Police Use)

M3 Half-Track with 47 mm

History
During the Manhattan Rebellion of 1951, the Royal Navy saw M3 Hafl-track armored vehicles armed with a 47 mm hotchkiss turret and a Type 92 7.7 mm heavy machine gun. It is expected that the Navy has conducted a trial to install 47 mm naval guns that have been removed from old torpedo boats that have been retired. After the Manhattan Rebellion period, the use of this armored car was not shown again.
Specifications
Mass: 8.13 ton
Length: 6.17 m
Width: 2.22 m
Height: 2.26 m
Crew: 6
Performance
Engine: White 160AX 148 hp
Suspension: Front: semi-elliptic longitudinal leaf spring Rear: Vertical volute spring
Maximum speed: 72 km/h
Armour: 6–12 mm
Armament
Main armament: 1 x 47 mm Hotchkiss Gun
Secondary armament: 2 × Type 92 7.7 mm heavy machine gun

RANK II

M3 Half-Track with Bofors 105 mm
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History
during the cold war The Royal Thai Army has experimentally modified the Type 80 Light Howitzer (Bofors H/37) during World War II to be installed on a M3 halftrack armored vehicle for use as a self-propelled artillery.
Specifications
Mass: 9.86 ton
Length: 6.17 m
Width: 2.22 m
Height: 2.26 m
Crew: 5
Performance
Engine: White 160AX 148 hp
Suspension: Front: semi-elliptic longitudinal leaf spring Rear: Vertical volute spring
Maximum speed: 72 km/h
Armour: 6–12 mm
Armament
Main armament: 1 x Bofors H/37

RANK III

FV101 Scorpion

History
The Scorpion is a light tank purchased by the Royal Thai Army from England. Stationed since 1978, using the official name “Type 21 Light Tank” has played a role in the defense of the country during the Thai-Lao border war, classified as “Combat Vehicle Reconnaissance”, used by cavalry reconnaissance units.
Specifications
Mass: 8.074 ton
Length: 5.288 m
Width: 2.134 m
Height: 2.102 m
Crew: 3
Performance
Engine: Cummins BTA 5.9-litre 190 hp
Suspension: Torsion bar
Maximum speed: 72.5 km/h
Armour: Aluminium armour, Cast and 1318b plate
Armament
Main armament: 1 x ROF 76mm L23A1 gun
Secondary armament: Coaxial 7.62 mm L43A1 machine gun / smoke grenades

Commando V-150

History
In 1977, the Thai Ministry of Defense considered selecting armored vehicles for the Royal Thai Army. The Royal Thai Navy, Royal Thai Air Force and the Royal Thai Police have set up a committee to consider and select a V-150 armored vehicle and proceed to purchase, in which the Army’s Version is armed with a 90 mm for use as an armored reconnaissance vehicle
Specifications
Mass: 9.8 ton
Length: 5.69 m
Width: 2.26 m
Height: 2.5 m
Crew: 5
Performance
Engine: Chrysler 361 eight-cylinder petrol 210 hp
Suspension: Independant, 4x4
Maximum speed: 100 km/h
Armour: .25 inch Cadaloy alloy steel
Armament
Main armament: 1x Cockerill Mk3 90mm cannon
Secondary armament: 1x 7.62mm MG3 machine gun

RANK IV

M41A3 Walker Bulldog
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History
The M41 light tank has been in service with the Royal Thai Army since 1962. The United States supplied and supported 200 tanks during the Cold War. It is used to maintain peace in the country during the political turmoil in the country. and used to protect the northeastern border during the time the Vietnamese attacked the Thai border The M41A3 tank will be retired in 2022.
Specifications
Mass: 25.89 ton
Length: 5.81 m
Width: 3.19 m
Height: 2.72 m
Crew: 4
Performance
Engine: Continental AOS-895-3 six-cylinder air-cooled petrol 500 hp
Suspension: Torsion bar
Maximum speed: 72.4 km/h
Armour: .Welded steel/25.4 mm turret front/25 mm turret sides and rear/12.7 mm turret top/31.7 mm at 45° hull upper glacis plate/25.4 mm at 30° hull lower glacis plate/19 mm hull rear/9.25 mm hull floor
Armament
Main armament: 1x 76 mm M32A1 rifled cannon
Secondary armament: 1 x .30 caliber M37 machine gun 1 x .50 caliber Browning M2 roof-mounted machine gun

M151 with M40 Recoilless Rifle

History
during the Vietnam War The Royal Thai Army has deployed the M40 recoilless rifle installed on a ¼ ton M151 armored vehicle used to defeat communist terrorists. Including attacks on the Vietnamese border in Thailand. and war on the Thai-Laos border In Thailand, these vehicles are organized in the infantry battalion. and is still in use today.
Specifications
Mass: 1,100 kg
Length: 3,370 mm
Width: 1,630 mm
Height: 1,800 mm
Crew: 4
Performance
Engine: inline 4-cyl. 2.319 L 71 hp
Suspension: Independant, 4x4
Maximum speed: 105 km/h
Armament
Main armament: 1x M40 recoilless rifle
Secondary armament: M8C 12.7x77mm spotting rifle

RANK V

M163 VADS

History
The Royal Thai Army has ordered the M163 VADS, designated in the Thai official name as “Type 20 Vulcan Self-propelled anti Aircraft Gun”, acting as the firing unit of the anti-aircraft artillery battalion. and air defense against enemy low-level aircraft.
Specifications
Mass: 12.49 ton
Length: 4.86 m
Width: 2.85 m
Height: 2.9 m
Crew: 4
Performance
Engine: General Motors 6V53, 6-cylinder two-stroke diesel 212 hp
Suspension: torsion bar, 5 road wheels
Maximum speed: 64 km/h
Armour: Rolled 5083/5086 H32 aluminium, 29-45
Armament
Main armament: 20 mm M61 Vulcan Rotary cannon

M48A5 Patton
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History
The Royal Thai Army purchased 105 M48A5 Patton tanks from the United States, starting in service since 1979, stationed in the Cavalry Battalion directly under the 2nd Infantry Division and 6th Infantry Division. The M48A5 has been the main tank of the Royal Thai Army for more than 20 years until the M-60 tank was used in conjunction with it. They also used to protect the eastern border in Prachin Buri Province.
Specifications
Mass: 52 tons
Length: 9.3 m
Width: 3.65 m
Height: 3.1 m
Crew: 4
Performance
Engine: Continental AV1790 V12, air-cooled, twin-turbo, diesel engine 750 hp (560 kW)
Suspension: Torsion bar
Maximum speed: 48 km/h
Armour: Hull Front 120 mm / Hull Side, front 76 mm / Hull Side, rear 51 mm / Hull rear 44 mm / Hull floor 25 mm / Turret Front 110 mm / Turret Side 76 mm / Turret Rear 50 mm
Armament
Main armament: 105 mm M68
Secondary armament: .50 cal M2 HB machine gun 7.62mm M240 machine gun

M60A1 Patton
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History
In 1991, the Royal Thai Army ordered 53 M60A1 tanks in the US reserves, which are stationed in the 20th Cavalry Battalion and are in use today.
Specifications
Mass: 52.6 ton
Length: 6.946 m
Width: 3.631 m
Height: 3.27 m
Crew: 4
Performance
Engine: Continental AVDS-1790-2 V12, air-cooled twin-turbo diesel engine 750 hp
Suspension: Torsion bar
Maximum speed: 48 km/h
Armour: Upper glacis 109 mm at 65°/ Turret front equals 250 mm
Armament
Main armament: 105 mm M68
Secondary armament: .50 cal M2 HB machine gun 7.62mm M240 machine gun / smoke grenades

M113A2 with TOW

History
During the military parade in 1996, an M113A2 vehicle equipped with a TOW rocket was discovered participating in this parade. And from further investigations, it was found that the vehicles were used in the anti-tank company of the 2nd Infantry Division. There were 6 vehicles in use.
Specifications
Mass: 12.3 t
Length: 4.863 m
Width: 2.686 m
Height: 2.5 m
Crew: 5
Performance
Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V53T, 6-cylinder diesel engine 275 hp
Suspension: Torsion bar
Maximum speed: 67.6 km/h , 5.8 km/h swimming
Armour: 5083 Aluminium Alloy 28–44 mm
Armament
Main armament: 1 x BGM-71 TOW
Secondary armament: .50 cal M2 HB machine gun

M901A3ITV

History
During the 2006 Thai coup d’état, the M901A3ITV appeared to control the peace in Bangkok along with other Armored Vehicle.The M901A3 ITV is expected to be delivered sometime in 1997 and is currently in service in 12th Mechanized Infantry Brigade Queen’s Guard
Specifications
Mass: 12 t
Length: 4.86 m
Width: 2.69 m
Height: 2.94 m targeting head stowed, 3.41 m head extended
Crew: 4
Performance
Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V53T, 6-cylinder diesel engine 275 hp
Suspension: Torsion bar
Maximum speed: 67.6 km/h , 5.8 km/h swimming
Armour: 5083 Aluminium Alloy 28–44 mm
Armament
Main armament: 2 x M220A2 TOW 2 / smoke grenades

RANK VI

Commando Stingray

History
In 1985, the Royal Thai Army needed a new light tank. To be put into service in the 1st Cavalry Division, the Stingray tank was purchased. from the Cadillac Gage America and put into service 106 Stingray tanks, as well as tank cannons and spare parts. And entered service in 1989, called the official name “Type 32 Light Tank”,
Specifications
Mass: 22.6 ton
Length: 9.3 m
Width: 3 m
Height: 2.7 m
Crew: 4
Performance
Engine: Detroit Diesel Allison 8V-92TA, liquid cooled turbo charged 2-stroke V-8 diesel engine 535 hp
Suspension: Independent trailing arm torsion bar
Maximum speed: 23 mm
Armour: 23 mm
Armament
Main armament: L7 LRF 105 mm rifled tank gun
Secondary armament: .50 cal M2QCB machine gun 7.62mm M240T machine gun / smoke grenades

M60A3TTS

History
The Royal Thai Army ordered 125 M60A3TTS tanks through the FMS program, which received 125 tanks from the US reserve and entered service in 1996, with the mission of enhancing border defense. during the Preah Vihear temple dispute between Thailand and Cambodia Because Cambodian T-55 and BTR60 tanks were discovered close to the Thai border in 2011.
Specifications
Mass: 54.6 ton
Length: 6.946 m
Width: 3.631 m
Height: 3.27 m
Crew: 4
Performance
Engine: Continental AVDS-1790-2 V12, air-cooled twin-turbo diesel engine 750 hp
Suspension: Torsion bar suspension
Maximum speed: 48 km/h
Armour: Upper glacis 109 mm at 65°/ Turret front equals 250 mm
Armament
Main armament: M68E1 105 mm
Secondary armament: 7.62×51mm NATO M240 machine gun / .50 BMG (12.7×99mm) M85/ smoke grenades

M41 Stingray
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History
In the magazine “Samorabhum” wrote a column on the experimental installation of the turret and combat system of the Stingray tank to be installed on the chassis of the M41A3 tank of the Royal Thai Army. In experiments, the size of the Stingray and M41A3 turret rings can be mounted together. But it may have to modify some components because the new turret is lower than the M41A3 and the ammunition load is less because the ammo rack cannot be used the same way due to the different calibers. After installation, it was found that the car had a larger size. But can be exchanged for more intense, more accurate shooting and a much better aiming system
Specifications
Mass : 25.89 ton
Length : 5.81 m
Width : 3.19 m
Height : 2.72 m
Crew : 4
Performance
Engine : Continental AOS-895-3 six-cylinder air-cooled petrol 500 hp
Suspension : Torsion bar
Maximum speed : 72.4 km/h
Armour : .Welded steel 25.4 mm at 30° hull lower glacis plate/19 mm hull rear/9.25 mm hull floor
Armament
Main armament : L7 LRF 105 mm rifled tank gun
Secondary armament : .50 cal M2QCB machine gun 7.62mm M240T machine gun / smoke grenades

BTR-3RK
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History
In the year 2007, the Royal Thai Army signed an order for BTR 3E1 armored vehicles from Ukraine. The Royal Thai Army has a total of 238 BTR-3s, divided into the first batch of procurement in 2016. 2007, 96 cars, 2nd lot in 2011, 121 cars and 3rd lot in 2013, another 21 cars, consisting of transport version Anti-tank missile launcher version Commander version, Medical version and Mortar mounted 81 and 120 mm version, with a total of 12 BTR-3RK models.
Specifications
Mass : 16.5 ton
Length : 7.850m
Width : 2.900m
Height : 2.774m
Crew : 3
Performance
Engine : MTU 6R106TD21 Diesel Engine 326hp
Suspension : Independant, 8x8
Maximum speed : 85 km/h
Armour : Welded steel
Main armament : 4 x Stugna-P (Skif)
Secondary armament : 1 x Kharkiv Morozov DB KT-12.7 (NSVT) / smoke grenades

DTI AAPC

History
In 2016, the Royal Thai Navy together with Defense Technology Institute (Thai) conducted research and design of 8x8 wheeled armored vehicles for the mission of the Marine Corps Command. Which this wheeled armored vehicle has been carried out since research and design, assembly, trial testing by DTI and user agencies in 2018-2021, where DTI AAPC vehicles have been certified by the faculty. The committee sets standards for armaments in 2021, with the AAPC 8x8 being used in the 2nd wave amphibious landings.
Specifications
Mass : 16.5 ton
Length : 7.37 m
Width : 2.86 m
Height : 2.35 m
Crew : 3
Performance
Engine : Caterpillar C9 450 hp
Suspension : 8x8 Hydropneumatic Double wishbone suspension
Maximum speed : 80.33 km/h
Armour : NATO Level 2b (STANAG 4569)
Main armament : 1 x Mk44 Bushmaster II 30x173mm
Secondary armament : 1 x 7.62mm coaxial machine gun / smoke grenades

RANK VII

M60A3 TIFCS

History
In 2015, the Royal Thai Army commissioned Elbit Systems, Israel. Implemented a comprehensive upgrade of the M60A3 to give the M60A3 the ability to operate day and night. By changing the two main systems of the M60 A3 tank, the Thermal Imaging Fire Control System (TIFCS) has an Auto Tracking mode that can automatically capture and track targets. It stays locked on to the target no matter which direction the target is moving, and the Electric Gun/Turret Driving System (EGTDS) on the turret roof is equipped with a HMA (Head Mirror Assembly) system. There is also an Index Loader system for reloading ammunition. Makes the loader reload easier, more convenient and faster than before. As for the M68 105 mm cannon, a new temperature-controlled casing was also replaced. received in 2016
Specifications
Mass : 54.6 ton
Length : 6.946 m
Width : 3.631 m
Height : 3.27 m
Crew : 4
Performance
Engine : Continental AVDS-1790-2 V12, air-cooled twin-turbo diesel engine 750 hp
Suspension : Torsion bar suspension
Maximum speed : 48 km/h
Armour : Upper glacis 109 mm at 65°/ Turret front equals 250 mm
Armament
Main armament : M68E1 105 mm
Secondary armament : 7.62×51mm NATO M240 machine gun / .50 BMG (12.7×99mm) M85 / smoke grenades

BTR-3E1

History
In the year 2007, the Royal Thai Army signed an order for BTR 3E1 armored vehicles from Ukraine. The Royal Thai Army has a total of 238 BTR-3s, divided into the first batch of procurement in 2016. 2007, 96 cars, 2nd lot in 2011, 121 cars and 3rd lot in 2013, another 21 cars, consisting of transport version Anti-tank missile launcher version Commander version, Medical version and Mortar mounted 81 and 120 mm version, with a total of 200 BTR-3RK models.
Specifications
Mass : 16.5 ton
Length : 7.850m
Width : 2.900m
Height : 2.774m
Crew : 3
Performance
Engine : MTU 6R106TD21 Diesel Engine 326hp
Suspension : Independant, 8x8
Maximum speed : 85 km/h
Armour : Welded steel
Armament
Main armament : 1 x ZTM-1 30mm autocannon, and a launcher for a pair of Kyiv DB Barrier anti-tank missiles.
Secondary armament : 1 x coaxial 7.62 machine gun, / smoke grenades

T-84 Oplot-T
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History
In 2011, the Royal Thai Army ordered 49 T-84 Oplot-T tanks from Ukraine with modified components such as radio communication equipment. and air conditioning system to suit the climate of Thailand that is different from Ukraine The delivery of the first 5 tanks began in 2013 until 2018, because the battle in Ukraine in 2014 caused the tank production and delivery to Thailand to be delayed.
Specifications
Mass : 51 ton
Length : 7.075 m
Width : 3.400 m
Height : 3.400 m
Crew : 3
Performance
Engine : KMDB 6TD-2E opposed piston 6-cylinder 12 pistons diesel 1,200 hp
Suspension : Torsion bar
Maximum speed : 70 km/h
Armour : modular composite, ERA, APS
Armament
Main armament :1 x 125 mm smoothbore KBA-3 cannon
Secondary armament : 1 × 12.7 mm KT-12.7 1 × 7.62 mm KT-7.62 / smoke grenades

R600 and AFV-420 on RANK VI and VII

Panus R600

History
At the Defense & Security 2019 event, Phanat Assembly Company Limited has brought the R600 8×8 wheeled armored vehicle to launch at the event. It has been designed to be used for many different missions. And has been designed to install an anti-aircraft system and a 105 mm and 120 mm tank artillery turret.


Specifications
Mass : 25 ton
Length : 8.4 m
Width : 3.2 m
Height : 2.75 m
Crew : 3 - 5
Performance
Engine : Cummins 600 hp
Suspension : Independent
Maximum speed : 110 km/h
Armour : Stanag 4569 Lv.2 (Up to Lv.3 Option)
Armament
105 mm Turret Type: Cockerill XC-8 105HP Turret with 105 L/51mm rifled x1 coaxial 7.62mm MG
120 mm turret type: HITFACT 120 mm turret 120/45 Smoot Bore HP with Muzzle break x1 coaxial 7.62mm MG
Anti-aircraft Turret Type: Atilgan Turret equipped with 1x 12.7 mm and 8 x FIM-92 Stinger

Panus AFV420
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History
At the Defense & Security 2019 event, Phanas Assembly Company Limited, in addition to bringing the R600 8×8 wheeled armored vehicle, was launched at the event. There was also a 4x4 AFV420 armored vehicle that was showcased at the event. It was modified from an earlier vehicle (HMV-420 and from the experimental HMV-150 a modified V-150) on the recommendation of the thai armed force.

Specifications
Mass : 25 ton
Length : 6.7 m
Width : 2.6 m
Height : 2.75 m
Crew : 3 - 5
Performance
Engine : Cummins 420
Suspension : Independent Double Wishbones with Coil Spring
Maximum speed : 110 km/h
Armour : Ballistic Level 2-3 Add-on Armor/Blast Level1-3b Add-on Armor
Armament
30 mm Turret Type: ASELSAN NEFER 30mm with 30mm Mk44 30x173mm ,7.62mm FN MAG58 / M240 Machine Gun
Anti-aircraft Turret Type: Atilgan Turret equipped with 1x 12.7 mm and 8 x FIM-92 Stinger
Anti-Tank Type: Serdar anti-tank missile launching system with 2 x Skif Anit Tank Missile and 1 x 12.7 mm , 1 x 7.62 mm machine gun

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Oh hey, this appeared.
Sure. It’s a way to get Oplot, and augments at other BRs.

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+1

Japan having a Thai Subtree makes infinitely more sense than a Korean subtree. Also we can add Filipino operated vehicles into the Japanese TT as a Subtree as well

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+1

Great work on researching the relatively obscure part of the Thai military industry. Given that Thailand has a generally cordial-to-friendly relationship towards Japan regardless of their geopolitical stance, it makes sense for them to be a part of the Japanese tree.

As a side note, aside from imported unique version of the vehicle operated by Thailand, the defense industry of Thailand did have a notable development in the artillery section, mostly through the the Defense Technology Institute (DTI). Some of which could be added into War Thunder as a direct-fire SPG.

Below are images of the M758 ATMG (Thai localized version of the ATMOS system) and the DTI-2 (122 mm MLRS based on the Type 85 APC). While the latter is based on a Chinese APC, it makes better sense for it to be included as a part of the sub-tree compared to something like the VT-4 (that were hotly contested in the old forum suggestion) due to the DTI-2 being an indigenous modification rather than a Chinese import.


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This is great! It brings in some Ukrainian tanks and would help Japan fill out some massive gaps. +1

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The Scorpion and V150 shouldn’t be rank 3, and britain should get the Scorpion as well. Besides those two points I’m all about this!

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+1, for Japanese sub tree.

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I agree that the FV101 should be included with the CVR(T) family, and I’m trying to adjust the rating for that as well.

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First of all, I would like to thank you for your compliment on my tech tree. As for the SPG in Thailand, it is a very interesting story. Because over the years Thailand has tried producing different types of SPG vehicles, including obtaining its own production patent.

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M425 (105mm self-propelled howitzer on M35 6x6 cargo truck chassis)


M71 Soltam on Volvo FM13 chassis

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DTI2 Rocket Platform


M758 Thai localized version of the ATMOS system

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Now that’s more like it! Question is if there’s anything that’d fit in the rank 3 gap

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Would love to see Thailand as a Japanese sub-tree. Would work especially well if integrated with aircraft and especially naval components where a Japanese present is even more clear in their equipment. I do think that Chinese-built vehicles in Thai service should still be represented despite being in the Japanese tech tree however

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As for the gaps in Rank 3, in addition to those SPGs mentioned before, There are other cars that are enough to consider further. Which has not been ranked yet, including Thai Border Police V150 with 20mm Madsen.


Thai Border Police V150 with 20mm Madsen [ I can’t remember the original AP clip]

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+1 as Japanese sub tree

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While I do support adding Thai vehicles, I do not support adding it to the Japanese tree.

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Sure, as long as the VT-4 stays in the Chinese tree.

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Well, M5 Stuarts share tech trees.

@WebKiller
I see, a man that prefers SK be the primary sub tree for Japan.

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I think a decent compromise would be to add it only after China has the VT-4 (Perhaps a Pakistani tank?).

From what I understand the VT-4 is a downgraded Type 99, so it’s not like China would be sharing the best version of their best tank like germany currently does. If I’m wrong and there are advantages to the VT-4 I’d understand if it waited longer until China received a better vehicle (maybe VT-4A1).

It’s not the only MBT Thailand has and Japan isn’t lacking in MBTs anyways, so it can easily wait without upsetting either side. It could be that it won’t even be added at all if Gaijin doesn’t see it as needed, even with a Thai subtree.

I would personally like to see it at some point with a Thai subtree, but I don’t need it right away. And if it isn’t added, so be it.

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I would love to see ground Thai line-up as a part of Japanese Tech tree, as both the complement for Air Thai line-up as well as having the one whole nation under one tech tree, not having to jump between tech trees to play the Thai vehicles.

As a Thai player and the old timer who started War Thunder since it was a WW2-focused game, I would love to see the Thai vehicles and representations in War Thunder under one tech tree, if possible. Thai WW2 and Cold War stories are quite interesting, to say the least, and would open more opportunity for other interesting SEA and minor nations vehicles in the future.

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That seems very reasonable, and since I play both China and Japan this would bolster both trees in a reasonably effective way.

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Universal Armored Car

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If talking about armored vehicles that are used in every army and police force, You probably see pictures of Thai V-150 armored vehicles frequently performing operations. Until it became a car called a “Universal Armored Car” in Thailand. How will it be? Let’s see.

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V-150 of the Thai Border Police performs patrol missions to prevent encroachment on border sovereignty at Tak Province.

During 1977, the Army proposed the need for a 4x4 armored vehicle. Go directly to the Prime Minister’s Office It is not related to the budget received by the Royal Thai Army. Due to threats all around at that time.

The Cabinet brought the matter into consideration at the meeting. and a resolution in principle was received on March 30, 1977, for the Ministry of Defense to procure armored vehicles for The army, navy, air force and the police department (at that time) with the appointment of a committee. By arranging representatives from all armed force and the Border Police.

The Commission has drafted various requirements and specifications. of the desired armored vehicle Then, proposals were sent to various companies. and there are many companies offering The various characteristics are defined, with the main topics being

  1. Install weapons according to the desired type and size.
  2. protection systems
  3. Ability to transport troops
  4. Movement capabilities

However, the weapons needs of each army have different needs according to the mission for which they are intended to be used.

Army: .50 machine gun for large troop transports, size 90 mm., and .81 mm. gun.
Navy and Air Force: .50 machine gun and 7.26 mm machine guns.
Police Department: Twin 7.62 mm machine guns (later equipped with .50 machine gun and 7.26 mm machine guns)

After considering cutting out the designs, there were only 3 designs left and arranged in order as follows: Commando V-150, Panhard, and Chaimite V-200

The Commission sent officials to visit Cadillac Gage in the United States on 12-22 June 1977 to test various vehicles and weapons systems. Including being able to move over obstacles. There are also proposals regarding various logistical matters. In terms of spare parts from the manufacturer In September 1977, the committee resolved to create a project to purchase the Commando V-150 armored vehicle and to appoint a committee to examine, accept and test it using experienced personnel from armed force and police.

which when first stationed in the Royal Thai Army were the 1st Cavalry Battalion and the 3rd Cavalry Battalion, RTA, which were used to reinforce the Aranyaprathet border and were used in many border protection missions of both Border Patrol Police and Navy.

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From Newspaper : RTA Move to strengthen the 1st and 3rd Cavalry Divisions along the Aranyaprathet border.

Currently, it is still in use by all armed forces and police. It is being repaired and improved for use by Thai forces on UN missions.


V-150 in UN Peacekeeping Mission in South Sudan

Including V-150 upgrades by Panus Assembly CO.,LTD. to HMV-150


HMV-150 by Panus Assembly

all V-150 in thai

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V-150 in Royal Thai Army

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V-150 in Royal Thai Air Force


V-150 in Royal Thai Marine


V-150 in Royal Thai Police

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V-150 in THAI – DARFUR 980 TASK FORCE


V-150 with 81 mm mortar


V-150 with Cockerill Mk3 90mm

Source

“สรรพาวุธ ๙ ทศวรรษ” book ISBN 974-8396-05-3
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