J-Out to Deny Kill

[heheeheehaw]

I’m the J-10A in the video. I saw on TWS that everyone on the other team was going cold to defend the initial barrage of missiles from the early game, so I took the opportunity to push really close. The clip begins as I’m practically in the enemy spawn (look at the minimap). I catch these guys off guard. Two of them headbutt my missiles, and the third guy (SU-30SM) sees me too late, and I’m firmly behind him. By the time he saw me, he had no time to defend. He knows he’s dead so he just J-s out just before my missile connects. My aircraft isn’t physically close enough for the kill to be awarded.
It’s a bit frustrating. I think I made a good play, pushing in. But I’m not fully rewarded for this, simply because the enemy player said no.

I think the radius for kill-reward to enemies bailing out should be increased in higher tiers. Or, since the missile evasion mechanic already exist, reward the kill based on whose missile is in the air.

[Necronomica]

There is already a topic with a similar theme you can use instead of creating a new one:

Is fire-and-eject illegal?

In a sim battle, a player told me that if I eject after launching missiles at an enemy, then this behavior violates TOS. In his words, this is different to the usual J-ing out from missiles, as “the enemy may be killed” in this way, and it counts as “griefing the enemy”. I want to ask the game masters (for an official answer), is he right? I can’t find how one can “grief” the enemy with in-game features in TOS, like if that counts, will AF camping count as griefing? Will simply using a better v…

[heheeheehaw]

I doubt you actually read through both of our posts. The post you linked is specifically inquiring the rules, and more specifically referring to the situation in which a player Js-out after launching missiles. I’m advocating for change in game mechanic, to mitigate the behavior of J-ing out to deny kill-reward.

[Exocetta]

Used to be that the kill for any crash was awarded to the nearest enemy to account for “maneuver kills” and yeah cads j-ing out or crashing to keep from “giving” a kill.
Players complained.
So now they are just given a crew lock as punishment.
I agree, not ideal. But its very hard to programmatically referee the hundreds of real-time dynamics in a match. I guess missiles make it easier since the server has that A & B data points to work with.

[Normandy_Corsair]

@heheeheehaw

I doubt you actually read through both of our posts

If they are correlated with gaijin, they don’t. The only reason they are so heavy handed with this is to stiffle conversation in the first place.

[Necronomica]

Oh i did, i saw several responses in the thread i linked that talked about rewarding the kill to nearest player (or similar mechanics), around reply 68 or so i think?

[shacortes-psn]

Just checked, did he really J-out? I see nothing popping out (sit with parachute) might just be my eyes though. It has happened to me too, both in ARB and GRB, I threw a few Spikes to a Pantsir and when he saw that he was being underwhelmed by the Spikes he J-out. Of course I had to sacrifice my vehicle for it and didn’t get the kill, just childish behaviour which I’m tired of.

[Necronomica]

For me personally, not at all. I just generally help with linking already existing threads that talk about similar enough issues for the threads to be reasonable to be just one instead of two separate threads.

(Gaijin Community Guidelines: Common Rules)

But since i’m not a Forum Moderator i cannot enforce it, i just link the threads to help out :)

[Normandy_Corsair]

They are not similar enough to warrant silencing the second thread. This is exactly what I mean when I say “the only purpose is to stiffle conversation”.

[Necronomica]

@AllNationEnjoyer

They are not similar enough to warrant silencing the second thread.

That would be up to any Forum moderator to decide, i just link a similar one and then let them take the decision to leave open or close.

You do have several other alternatives as well:

Players J-out to avoid getting shot down

It is becoming more and more common to see gamers escaping death by leaving the plane. J-out should be counted as a kill. The player who “fought” the opponent the longest should get the points. Or developer can introduce something alternative, but this problem must be solved. Often we end the match without points, because the opponent intentionally leave the plane.

Gaijin, atleast implement kill credit for players ejecting when they are acquired by your missile seeker

Currently, sim doesn’t have proximity kill credits for crashes or pilot ejections. It is understandable that this feature might be abused by bot operators to gain kills and score faster. But I ask you guys to at-least implement kill credits for players ejecting when your missile seeker is tracking them. I don’t think this feature would be abused by bot operators since the missile would kill the targets anyways. Lately, I’ve been seeing more and more players who would just eject if their RWR goe…

Make ejecters and crashers small again (in Sim mode)

I’d like to talk about one phantom feature with you. Counting a crashed or ejected player as a kill for nearest enemy. It has been cycling between being enabled and disabled for a very long time now. I didn’t notice it being much of a problem before current event. But now… God bless the person who decided to make sim mode a mode for RB players to make event faster. In last match i had 4 guys ejecting right before my missile hits them. While playing german-ussr side which is usually outnumbered i…

None of which are closed, so this part of your message:

@AllNationEnjoyer

“the only purpose is to stiffle conversation”.

I do not agree with.

[Normandy_Corsair]

@Necronomica

None of which are closed

They don’t have to be. That’s not the only way to stiffle conversation. You can also do it by locking 90% of posts quickly and citing that they are "repeat"s while you ignore the few topics you allow to leave open.

[Necronomica]

How is closing repeats and linking to an already existing topic “stiffling” it? I see that as funneling likeminded players to one cohesive thread to further the discussion. i honestly can’t see how that would result in a conversation dying out. In that case it would be on the user if they don’t respond in the linked thread.

But now we’re are getting off-topic. You’re free to send a pm if you want to continue the discussion :)

[Morvran]

They do certainly need to rework how kills are rewarded from J-outs in an era of long ranged weapons, the current system works for guns and early missiles. but when fights can routinely be beyond the current 3km range, soemthing needs to be better. Even if an assist is simply reward to anyone (and everyone) with a radar lock (soft or hard) or if there is a missile tracking, would be better than nothing.

Had an AMX do it to me in an F3 in SB with missiles in the air.

[Chocolate_Pasta]

Not only in ARB, but also happend in GRB or ASB, just quick J-out and then respwan to get kill is one of the best strategy for SPAA and counter-cap

[N0ld0r]

Had a match the past weekend where two separate players just pitched into the ground the moment I slotted in behind them and they saw they couldn’t outrun me. With both instances I took the time to maneuver into an advantageous position, diving down behind them wasting time, altitude, and fuel I could have used to engage other players. In both instances they crashed and I got nothing. This is incredibly frustrating and just poor gameplay/design.

[shacortes-psn]

I really don’t understand the childish behaviour, they will have to pay either way for the costs, it’s not like they save money by doing it and moreover, they’ll get a crew lock. I think maneuvre kills should be counted as a kill (or enemy kill assist) because sometime people just fly straight to the ground and die while trying to dodge a missile or guns.