Collecting all my weird ideas and suggestions in one single post

  1. Flakpanzer IV (3 cm Flakvierling) ‘Zerstörer 45’:

In the later stages of the Second World War, the Germans lost control over the skies and their ground forces had to endure extensive enemy air attacks. The use of self-propelled anti-aircraft guns (SPAAGs) based on half-track chassis offered some way to fight back, but these were themselves highly vulnerable, as they lacked proper armor protection.

A SPAAG based on a tank chassis was more desirable. Starting from 1944, the German focus was on producing such vehicles based on the Panzer IV chassis. This led to the development of the Flakpanzer IV 2 cm Flak 38 Vierling, better known today as the Wirbelwind (Eng. Whirlwind).

With its four 2 cm guns, it shot down many Allied aircraft, but by late 1944 standards, something with more firepower was desired and needed. Thus, the Germans developed a new version armed with four 3 cm anti-aircraft guns. The late start of this project meant that only a few prototypes were allegedly created by the war’s end.




Length: 5.92m.
Width: 2.9m.
Height: 2.76 m.
Weight: 25 tonnes.
Engine: Maybach HL120 TRM 12-cylinder petrol engine 300 PS (296 hp, 220 kW).
Speed: 42 kmh.
Crew: 5 (guner, loader, commander, driver and radio operator) some documents sugest that there is a second loader making crew 6 in total.
Armor: Turret: 16mm all around, Hull: 80mm front, 30mm sides, 20mm rear.
Armament: 4 x 30 mm MK103/38 cannon (belt capacity 150-200 rounds)(ammunition 3200 rounds in total), one 7.92mm MG34 machine gun (600 rounds).

The Armarment:
Late into the war, a four-barreled version of the 3 cm MK 103, known as the 3 cm Flakvierling, was tested and possibly even built-in smaller numbers. Due to the late introduction, the overall characteristics of this four-barreled version are barely mentioned in the sources. Based on a few available photographs, it was provided with cylindrical-shaped magazines that were fixed to the gun but could be opened to place belt-fed ammunition inside of them. Another interesting feature was that these ammunition magazines were placed above (on the upper) and under (on the lower) guns, not on the side, like for the 2 cm four-barreled version.

Lastly, for self-defense, the crew could rely on the hull-mounted MG 34, retained from the Panzer IV design, and their personal weapons.

3 cm Flakvierling is able to use the same ammunition that the Kugelblitz use:

Pzbrgr.(Elektron) o.Zerl. (Ap-I) 0,5kg 800m/s 0g 58mm/10m



Pzsprgr. L`Spur. o.Zerl. (Aphe-T) 0,5kg 800m/s 14g Pent (23,8g) 58mm/10m



Pzbrsprgr. L`Spur. o.Zerl. (ApheIcbc-T) 0,455kg 800m/s 5,2g Pent (8,84g) 58mm/10m



H-Pzgr. L`Spur. o.Zerl. (HVAP-T) 0,360kg 960m/s 0g 77mm/10m



Sprgr. L`Spur. o.Zerl. (He-T) 0,44kg 800m/s 27g Pent (45,9g)




M-Gesch. L`Spur. o.Zerl. 0,33kg 900-920m/s 70g HTA 5g Pent (92,5g)



M-Gesch. o.Zerl.: 0,33kg 860-900m/s 85g HTA (102g)



Big thanks to Ghostmaxi ammunitions and their informations are taken from his post:

German WW2 SPAAG Flaks 15-50mm and their Ammunition


Flakpanzer IV Zerstörer 45 | FirearmCentral Wiki | Fandom

Panzerketten: Die Gleisketten der deutschen Kettenfahrzeuge des Zweiten ... - Peter Schwarzmann - Google Books

Flakpanzer mit 3cm Flakvierling 103/38 auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen IV

3cm Flak 103/38 & Flakvierling 103/38 « Jaboschreck »

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Engelmann-Scheibert, H. A. Koch, O. W. v. (1978) Renz Flak Auf Dem Gefechtsfeld Podzun-Palla-Verlag
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Walter J. Spielberger (1982). Gepard: The History of German Anti-Aircraft tanks, Bernard & Graefe
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T. L.Jentz and H. L. Doyle (1998). Panzer Tracts No.12 Flak selbstfahrlafetten and Flakpanzer

T. L.Jentz and H. L. Doyle (2010). Panzer Tracts No.

12-1 – Flakpanzerkampfwagen IV and other Flakpanzer projects development and production from 1942 to 1945.

Walter J. Spielberger (1993). Panzer IV and its Variants, Schiffer Publishing Ltd.

D. Doyle (2005) German military Vehicles, Krause Publications.

H. F. Duske, T. Greenland and F. Schulz (2005) Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind and Ostwind, Nuts and Bolts vol.13

  1. Horten Ho-229 bomb load:

According to the book (Horten Ho 229 Spirit of the Thuringia) the intended armament is 2X 30mm Mk103 or 4X 30mm Mk108 with the ability to carry fuel tank or replace the fuel tanks under each wing with a bomb load of 2X500kg under each wing carried using ETC 503 Wikingerschiff external attachment pylons


  1. SC2500 and SB2500:

The SC2500 is still missing from all of these bombers

1-He 111 H-6


2-Me 264 V3

Bombs: 3,000 kg (6,614 lb) bombload in internal bomb bay at 14,400 km (8,947 miles). 6,000 kg (13,200 lbs) bombload in internal bomb bay at 8,600 km (5,343 miles)

3-All Do 217 variants

4-He 177 A-5

Bombs: Up to 7,000 kilograms (15,000 lb) of ordnance internally, up to 2,500 kg (5,500 lb) externally on underwing racks.

-48 × 50 kg (110 lb) bombs or 12 × 250 kg (550 lb) bombs or 10 × 500 kg (1,100 lb) bombs

-6 × 500 kg (1,100 lb) bombs or 6 × 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) bombs

-or 4 × 1,400 kg (3,100 lb) bombs or 4 × 1,700 kg (3,700 lb) bombs or 2 × 1,800 kg (4,000 lb) bombs or 2 × 2,500 kg (5,500 lb) bombs

-2 × 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) bombs and 2 × 1,800 kg (4,000 lb) bombs or 2 × 1,800 kg (4,000 lb) bombs and 2 × 1,700 kg (3,700 lb) bombs

-2 × 1,800 kg (4,000 lb) bombs and 2 × LMA III mines

-6 × LMA III mines (3,000 kg (6,600 lb)) or 4 × LMB III mines (4,000 kg (8,800 lb))

-2 × LT 50 torpedoes under the wings

-2 × FX 1400 Fritz X or Henschel Hs 293 or Hs 294 under wings + 1 × FX 1400 Fritz X or Hs 293 or Hs 294 under fuselage

-2 × 500 kg (1,100 lb) bombs internally + 2 × Hs 293 under the wings

5-Ju 288 C-1

Plus the SB2500 is still missing from the game
There are two types the SB2500 less in diameter than the SC2500 but with the same filling wight (1570kg-1710kg of Trialen 105) and with thinner walls and the SB2500A1 same dimensions of the SC2500 but with more filling weight (up to 2000kg of Trialen 105) and ofc have thinner walls

  1. SC50 to SC1800 bombs filling:

All bombs from SC50 to the SC1800 used Trialen 105 as filling but in game the only filling they use is Fp.60/40 and Amatol, so for example SC1000 use 600kg of Trialen 105 as filling and SC1800 use 1100kg of Trialen 105 as filling but in game they only use Amatol and Fp.60/40.







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  1. Wurfrahmen 40:

The Wurfrahmen 40 (“launch frame 40”) was a German World War II multiple rocket launcher. It combined a vehicle such as the Sd.Kfz. 251 halftrack or captured French Renault UE Chenillette with rocket artillery to form a more mobile and protected artillery piece than the towed Nebelwerfer. It was nicknamed Stuka zu Fuss (“Stuka on Foot” or “Walking Stuka”) and Heulende Kuh (“Bellowing Cow”).

Development and history:


Introduced in late 1940, the weapon system was a framework with adjustable base plates fitted over and alongside a vehicle which could hold 300 mm high explosive (HE) rockets; 280 mm HE and 320 mm incendiary rockets were also used, the rockets being fired while in their loading crates. Although spin stabilized, the rockets were not as accurate as conventional artillery, and reloading was time-consuming due to their weight. Where feasible, rockets were ripple-fired in large numbers to quickly saturate a target. The system was successful as a support weapon for mobile Panzer formations, particularly in urban areas.

When used on the common mounting, the Sd.Kfz. 251 halftrack, a frame with six base plates were used, with three on each side. The Chenillette UE employed either two per side or four frames on the rear. The Hotchkiss H35 mounting used two per side also. Some captured American M3 halftracks also mounted Wurfrahmen, with four frames at two per side.

The Wurfrahmen 40 is able to use three types of ammunition

  1. 28cm Wfk. Spr.

Shell weight : 83 Kg

Length: Complete: 1,190 mm Warhead:720mm

Diameter: 280 mm

Velocity: 145 m/s

Maximum firing range: 1925 m

Filling: Amatol

Filling weight: 36 Kg

  1. 30cm Wfk. 42 Spr.

Shell weight : 83 Kg

Length: Complete: 1,230 mm Warhead: 750 mm

Diameter: 300 mm

Velocity: 230 m/s

Maximum firing range: 4.5 km

Filling: Amatol

Filling weight: 45 Kg

  1. 32cm Wfk. M. Fl. 50

Shell weight: 79 kg

Length: Complete: 1,234 mm Warhead: 750 mm

Muzzle velocity 145 m/s

Maximum firing range: 2,200 m

Filling: Kerosene mixture

Filling weight: 40 Kg

Now for the important part what type of vehicles where able to carry the Wurfrahmen 40 there is 5 vehicles but two of them are half trucks with with no armament so am not going to put them here so we are left with thses 3.

  1. panzerkampfwagen 35 h(f) mit 28/32 cm wurfrahmen 40


  1. Pz.Kpfw I Ausf.B mit 28/32cm Wurfrahmen 40


  1. Renault UE Chenillette


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German and Japanese solid fuel rocket weapons

  1. Stielgranata 42:

Stielgranata 42 is heavy infantry rodded bomb that can be lunched from 15cm s. I. G. 33 gun. It have complete weight of 90kg and a filling weight of 52kg with a velocity of 105 m/s.



Big thanks to TT33 pictures and informations was provided by him:
Stielgranata 42 new type of ammunition - #2 by TT33a



And here is some links for further informations about Stielgranata 42:

15 cm Stielgranate 42 - Axis History Forum

  1. V-1 flying bomb:

After searching and acquiring information i want to introduce air lunched V-1 flying bomb.

V-1 flying bomb was able to be lunched from He-111, Ju-188, Fw-200 and He-177







HD Stock Video Footage - Fi103 (V-1) Flying Bomb launch from a German FW-200 bomber

HD Stock Video Footage - V-1 flying bombs Fi103 launched from a German HE-111 bomber aircraft, and from a German JU-188 bomber aircraft.

My idea of implementing this kind of weapon in game is to give tha player the ability to mark a point on the map and this point will represent where the bomb will fall same concept of artillery.

V-1 specifications:

Mass: 2,150 kg

Length: 8.32 m

Width: 5.37 m

Height: 1.42 m

Warhead: Trialen 106/109

Warhead weight: 850 kg

Detonation mechanism: Electrical impact fuze
Backup mechanical impact fuze
Time fuze to prevent examination of duds

Engine: Argus As 109-014 Pulsejet

range: 250 km

Maximum speed: 640 km/h flying between 600 and 900 m

Guidance system: Gyrocompass based autopilot

More specific informations:


More details about the warhead and Trialen 106 composition:


Trialen - Wikipedia

I gave everything i have and i want to see ppl opinions about this subject.

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Enjoy the topic it’s just silly suggestions that will never come true so all i can do now is collet them in one place and dreem


Bonus He-280

The suggestions wasn’t made by me ofc but i still want to see it in game the suggestion about it passed consideration in 2015

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Can I add some?

  1. Kartätschpatrone round for the KwK 37/StuK 37:

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  1. Maschinengewehr 42 for the Sd. Kfz. 222 Ausf B:

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Ofc every one is welcomed to add what thay want

  1. Functional horn for vehicles/panzers:

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This must be added i want to use it before killing oblivious enemies XD

  1. Functional Minenabwurfvorrichtung for the Panzer III Ausf L & Tiger I Ausf H:

The Minenabwurfvorrichtung would be useful against soft, weak, or open topped vehicles such as the M3, M8 car, M8, M10, M13, M15, M16, M18, Super M18, M19, M36, M42, M56, LVT(A)(4), T55E1, SU-5-1, SU-57, ASU-57, ZiS-30, SU-76, SU-85A, SU-100P, GAZ-AAA 4M, GAZ-AAA DShK, GAZ-MM 72-K, YaG-10 29-K, BTR-152A, ZiS-12 94-KM, ZiS-43, ZSU-37, BTR-152D, BTR-ZD, M53/59, ZUT-37, ZSU-57-2, BM-13, BM-31, Archer, Achilles, Light AA Mk 1, Staghound AA, Crusader AA, Ystervark, Bosvark, SARC MkIV, SARC MkVI 2, SARC MkVI 6, Alecto I, & Ram. The Minenabwurfvorrichtung could be coded to function similarly to the universal short distance grenades present on the Star Wars vehicles:

  1. Ability to equip a vehicle with Schürzen even when using Ostketten or Winterketten: