Maybe, though at the moment I just want BOL overhaul and general Harrier fixes. With those, the Gr7 would probably be one of the stronger aircraft at 12.3. Even though its FM is actually weaker than the AV-8B(NA)
(Let alone the fact there is an internal report for a 6x Aim-9 weapons fit for the Harrier Gr7/T10 and future Harrier Gr9A if it ever needed a major A2A buff )
Aim–9M buffs wouldnt go amiss either.
And thats wtihout even mentioning decompressing 12.0-13.0
Gaijin classify system is a bit much to say the least av8b capability as a fighter is more then all the plane in this list combined because it it can turn better It’s compatible with speed but has more missile But the thing is they are all up here So it’s a bit puzzling and interesting to try to solve this I would say these planes especially the bucc s2 shouldn’t be this high of br to start with the SHAR FRS1 Early can go to 10.3 with 2 aim9l its just upgrade over av8c or Harrier GR.3 with 2 aim9G at i think 9.3br both of them
Id rather see decompression than compression.
Couple with buffs and fixes. They’d all be fine.
Also, out of all the 9.7 Harriers, the only one that might need a BR drop is the GR1 because its got no CMs, the other 4, are exactly what should be at 9.7, maybe even brushing 10.0 with buffs if compared to the Hunters
On a personal note, the Buc S2B is… fine… ish… At least in SB at 10.7 it does great, looking forward to messing around with it once it gets Sea Eagles tomorrow. Just in ARB it sucks because of uptiers and just how bad ARB is for a ground attacker. Especially one whose main strength is bomb load. So maybe 10.3 for the Buc S2B, purely due to lack of guns. but FRS1e 10.7 is as low as it can go
They can’t because
1- It is better than A-10A in 10.3BR.
2- AIM-9L is literally a death sentence to flareless subsonics such as Hunter F.6
(IF there were somewhat similar to 10.55BR that existed thanks to decompression, which didn’t happen IRL, then Bucc S.2 would’ve been perfect there.)
Nah, I prefer the FM fix of harriers. It is what should be 9.7.
man F-4JUK is just absolutely terrible I didn’t fly it but I flew the one in a tree you could put them in 11.7 and it would be more then fine they are missile buss i can see them at 11.3 and still being 50/50
is the Tornado GR.4 the one with better skyflash ? i thought it was 12.0 ? if it was anatomical instead it should be lower br also
The only bit im on the fence about with the Buc S2B is that
A) they are semi-optional, easily taken without consequence, but not always equipped
B) You have no guns and they arent hard to flare.
I think it could be either 10.3 or 10.7 in ARB and I dont think it would be disasterous, but is messy
But man, I wish they had built that gunpod for the Bucs
even with all of these buffs the Harrier is simply not optimise Balance in this br in term of performance at 12.0 is what should stay at has no radar missile so you will always be in a bag foot if someone push you
No. GR.4 is the one which is upgraded GR.1
2x AIM-9M.
Or what if there were decompression and a bracket exists between the current 10.3 and 10.7
man Buc S2B should be 10.3 its not an if its buss without gun and has only 2 good missile guess what will happen if you can’t shoot your missile at someone and he turn for you
Also practically unlimited CMs which is the only reason why I tolerate it being 12.3 and not 12.0
oh so its typical tornado OK that’s all I need to know 11.7 then in air and i think it’s the one with the better ground missile bombs and ordinate so 12.0 in ground
you cant flare a gun tho :(
No, but I just avoid getting in situations where that is a problem. Though I’ve got a fair few gun kills in the GR4 :P
I disagree about it being 10.3, even though I really want to.
10.55-ish after decompression is the best bet.
I don’t want to punch poor Hunter FGR.9 bastards and some other flareless jets in 9.3.
F-100D would have no chance against me.
GR.4 at 11.7 with a pair of 9M sounds diabolical.
Because the current GR.1 is at 11.7 with a pair of 9L. (GR.1 should’ve 11.3 if we think about WTD61, though)
Anyway, why don’t we just get back on track to the discussion about AV-8B(NA)??
with aim9m and good pilot I wouldn’t think it would be so horrible But even then you are in higher BR like a lot of plane will catch you So it’s inevitable and you lose a lot of speed if you touch your stick a little bit let alone trying to dodge multiple people Trying to get a free kill Or they think that
Yes and no. Its wierd. Its sits in this spot where you always get uptiered which should be really bad… but… you avoid the worst of the base bombing premium spam. So base bombing is much easier than in the 11.7 Tonkas.
And then people just ignore you thinking you are just a free kill Tonka only to eat a Aim-9M.
Dont get me wrong. I think it probably should be 12.0 alongside the Mirage F1 and there is a dozen buffs the Tonkas could get, but its not something im fretting about currently. I’ve got bigger fish to fry like BOL fixes, decompression and ARB overhauls.
But back to the AV-8B(NA) though, I think its fine at 11.3 compared to whats above and below. Just needs fixes
it has max kill of 1 or 2 max after that what you have you will be literally aa 9.0 br plane in turm of performance a lot of 9.3 to 11.3 will catch you and can do everything better then you so 10.3 isn’t that also both hunter and f100d are faster so the can evade you and pounce On You When do you feel they have a solution Yes I know it’s not going to be like that in an actual game because not everyone is competent So I could see your point
no no I agreeing with this and it’s a tornado with 2 9M it’s not like it’s lighter it’s faster its just the same tornado with only 2 9M in 11.7BR where they are expecting missile so they will flare if they saw a diamond popping on them and maybe you’ll get one killed And then after that every plane in that we are will out perform you Maybe some plane lock speed but other than that it’s a done deal
Sure, remove its AIM-9Ls and it can be 10.7.
Don’t use 100% throttle.
If you’re not flaring R-60s, do better.
The fact it’s subsonic is why it’s 11.3 instead of 12.0 or 12.3 in the case of F-20A.
yeah, about AV-8BNA my conclusion is it deserve to go down BR not to 10.7 as a starter it could be tho but it will be a somewhat busted plane like j7D in term of kit no flight performance so the most common sense i could see for now is to drop it down to 11.0