This plane is a pain in the a… There are no reasons for it being 11.3.
The engine overheats at 100% throttle.
AIM-9L missiles are not that good at this BR.
It faces F-16s, Mirages F1, and other overpowered planes for this plane to fight against.
R-60 missiles often ignore the Harrier’s flares.
It’s a premium aircraft for $60.
Last but not least, IT IS SUBSONIC.
Recommendation: 10.7 or 11.0 at max.
Sorry for the bad English.
dont stay at 100% throttle, you dont need to, 90% is more than enough most of the time.
This is the issue with Harrier heat sigs, widely known, widely reported, but they dont care. all the advice I can give is keep your airspeed high as best you can as this will make flaring easier, and throttle down to below 60% whenever flaring, if you have to choose between jinking and keeping your airspeed up, choose the latter.
This is because heats signatures are based upon thrust and the Harriers at the moment produce more thrust at lower airspeeds. So as you slow down, you get hotter.
The issue… Sea Harrier, its 10.7 with 2x 9Ls or 11.0 with 4. Its weaker in pretty much every single respect to the Harrier T-10/AV-8B(NA). 11.3 is realistically as low as it can go compared to the Sea Harriers (Or AV-8S Late at 11.0, though that is stronger than the SHar at the moment)
Being even 11.0 would be really unfair on the SHar, let alone 10.7 and would require them going lower.
Though there is a major compression issue at the moment at 12.0-13.0
That having been said… I think they are fine at 11.3, sure they are subsonic, but they dogfight extremely well. The problem is the Harrier, all of them, are buggy messes.
Work in progress bug report master list me and @MatrixRupture are working on
| Harrier 1 | Harrier 2 | |||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Attribute | In-game Figure | Expected IRL Figure | Associated Bug Report | Attribute | In-game Figure | Expected IRL Figure | Associated Bug Report | |||
| ITR (with 60% nozzle) (Deg/sec) | 15.3 | 19 | Community Bug Reporting System | Pegasus Overheat (°C) | 730 | 794 | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| STR (Deg/sec) | 11 | 14.6 | Community Bug Reporting System | Fuel Flow (Max low level) | 110 | 210 | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| TWR (At Mach 0.8) | 0.61 | 0.9 | Community Bug Reporting System | TWR (At Mach 0.8) | 0.61 | 0.9 | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| Combat Climb (Ft/min) | 16,000 | 24,000 | Community Bug Reporting System | Nozzle Deceleration 100 knots | 22.8 | 3.3 | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| Max AOA (Deg) | 40 | 90 | Community Bug Reporting System | VIFF RCS | 120 Knots | up to 400 Knots | Community Bug Reporting System | |||
| Coefficient of lift (at 200kts) | 0.95 | 1.5 | Community Bug Reporting System | |||||||
| Top Speed (84% Throttle) | 0.94 | 0.98 | Community Bug Reporting System | |||||||
| Misc Issues | Misc Issue | |||||||||
| Sooty Exhaust | Community Bug Reporting System | Roll Instability | Community Bug Reporting System | |||||||
| (FRS1/FA2) Missing CCRP Symbology | Community Bug Reporting System | Sooty Exhaust | Community Bug Reporting System | |||||||
| (FRS1) Missing radar gunsight | Community Bug Reporting System | Extreme Flap Drag | Community Bug Reporting System | |||||||
| (FA2) Missing twin Stores Carrier | Community Bug Reporting System | Incorect Flap Deployment | Community Bug Reporting System | |||||||
| (FRS1) Wrong HUD | Community Bug Reporting System | Incorrect fuel dump Minimum | Community Bug Reporting System | |||||||
| (FA2) BOL & Twin Sidewinders | Community Bug Reporting System | Landing gear travel time | Community Bug Reporting System | |||||||
| Incorrect fuel dump Minimum | Community Bug Reporting System | (GR7/T10) Missing AGM-65s | Internal report | |||||||
| Landing gear travel time | Community Bug Reporting System | (Gr7/T10) Missing Aim-9 | Internal Report | |||||||
| AN/ALE-40 Single fire | Community Bug Reporting System | (Gr7) Missing ePaveway II | Internal Report | |||||||
| (Gr7) Missing Sniper Pod | Internal Report | |||||||||
| AN/ALE-40 Single fire | Community Bug Reporting System |
Even though AV-8B(NA) suffers
I think there is no reason to send it down to 10.7.
It is way better than
SHAR FRS.1(Early) in 10.7
Bucc S.2B in 10.7
A-7E in 10.7
SHAR FRS.1 in 11.0
A-7K in 11.3
And Harrier T.10 in 11.3.
I understand your complaint. and it needs to be dealt with.
But we have no solutions in our hands. I meant, in close.
Both solutions are in the far sight.
1- awaits historical FM buff.
2- awaits decompression, which will make them not face those goddamn cursed F/A-18A in 12.3BR forever (Impossible due to Gaijin only cares about 13.7~14.3)
nah
Every Harrier does so. Fly with 85% throttle and you are fine. If needed in a fight, throttle up.
I didn’t tried it yet on a Harrier, but on many other planes Zuni rockets work very well as flares.
I don’t see why this harrier can’t be the same br of the AV-8S Late. Doesn’t it come with 4 AIM-9ls too?
We all know that gaijin doesn’t “like” the british, plus harrier T.10 isn’t available for sale is it?
The AV-8B(NA) is a Harrier II. Much larger wing and more powerful engine. Its quite a major upgrade over the Harrier Is (AV-8S and Sea Harriers, etc), better acceleration, better turn performance, even better engine temp management and has 3x CMs than the Sea Harrier (though less than the AV-8S)
The difference is like comparing the Spitfire Mk9 with the Spitfire Mk24. Major upgrade in most respects.
Guys F-5C is 10.7 and will win a dogfight against me. I’m not mentioning F-5E.
BECAUSE AV-8S is based on ‘Good-ole’ Harrier 1 airframe, which has a shorter, smaller wing.
Turns sluggishly.
Quite similar to SHAR FRS.1 in 11.0.
Yes.
Because it is quite a scam, and not many guys bought it.
I pre-ordered it, but I think it was the same price as AV-8B(NA) but inferior.
Typical F-4J(UK) vs F-4J/S(USN) case.
I was happy to see her in-game, but nothing more than that.
Thats just the F-5s overperforming. The Sustained turn rates on the F-5 and Harriers should be swapped.
Its all about mastering the VIFF (vector in forward flight) and forcing the fight to go your way.
You could give this a try vs F-5s too
I understand, but I’d rather have 2 aim-9ls and play at 11.0. Because I don’t see this flight performance against, many planes. I can easily lose agasint an F-16 block 10…
I don’t know why gaijin removes the cool planes…
Other planes go up to decompress, not 9l launchers to go down
How about absolutely not
Isn’t it just all harriers that suffer? Except the AV-8C, this one is broken against 8.7-9.0 planes
Id say its the AV-8A and AV-8S which are the healthiest at the moment with 240 CMs at 9.7. But yeah, few are in perticularly healthy states currently. Some are okay, like the GR3/AV-8C but some like the FA2 are pretty poor at the moment.
I’m having serious issues against the AV-8C’s AIM-9Gs, without countermeasures they seem undodgable
yeah because 9Ls are such common missiles at 11.3 lmao.
Because they mostly are, I dont think you can kinematically defeat Aim-9Gs, at least not if theyve been fired at you smart. You can try the rocket pod trick. If your aircraft has them, run some rockets, usually good enough to defeat a missile as the missile retargets the rocket motor. Works quite well on the Hunters and Harrier GR1