I am including the idea that the J-7D does not belong here. It doesn’t.
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11.0 is good start but man this br bracket is cluster shitshow you either be pretty good or pretty bad depending on br oof plane
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i kind agree with that but still i want to see a lot of plane sgo down in br or we get like 15.0 something br but still manageable for now as in we need decrease in BRs mig21bis can go down to 10.7 and f5e and other planes to counter each other and make more dynamic game play instead of only one or two nation have been really good playing or missile carrier decent flight model But I still
What? The entire point of raising the BR ceiling is to give room to DECOMPRESS. You are literally advocating for compression. MiG-21bis to 10.7 means more flareless jets face undodgable R-60ms…
f104 asa its at 12.0 for no reason and i think it could be 11.3 with no problem specially after the flight model nerf back before a nerve You could actually dogfight planes like Mig 21 and F4 phantom Using your high speed authority when you are on low fuel you could actually turn pretty decently but now you’re literally a flying pencil
Maybe you must wash your ear and remove some earwax then.
I brought them up because
1- Gaijin classified them as strike jets
2- Gaijin also classified AV-8B(NA) as a strike jet
3- So I compared those for a hypothesis on why it can’t.
Yes, there are better 10.7BR jets that exist, but it just won’t change that
-If AV-8B(NA) goes down to 10.7, SHAR FRS.1(Early) or Bucc S.2, which has fewer AIM-9L and a worse fuselage, will be doomed.
Oh, there is another example of why AV-8B(NA) can’t be 10.7
A-10A, which carries 4 AIM-9L and is 10.7, but flies infinitely slower.
If AV-8B(NA) need to and should be same 10.7BR as A-10A does,
Can our Harrier GR.7 with 4 AIM-9M be the same 11.7BR that which A-10C does?
(Because both AV-8B and GR.7 are Harrier 2, and A-10 is A-10.)
I think you are doing an intended strawmaning and are not productive.
It seems I and Morvran explained well, but your earwax blocked it.
The argument is over. Re-read the comments again.
no on advocating for anything The thing is I have been more room for decompression is better but for now this solution is temporary and the j7d is already doing this at 10.7 j35xs with 6 aim9j is kinda same concept at 10.3
they’re just going to uptier the j7d once they feel like it has been squeezed enough
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TBF it should stay at 10.7 just because what it can face if they move it to 11.0
No, the vehicle that outperforms every other 10.7 by large margins should not stay 11.0 just because its a paid for vehicle that might see some small difficulty if it faces an uptier
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The whole BR system is a clusterfuck
F-86A-5 can’t be 8.0, but Gaijin believes that it can’t go up because of F-104A
F-104A can’t be 9.3 but can’t go up because of T-2
J-7D can’t be 10.7 but can’t go up because of MiG-21bis (based on your claim)
MiG-21bis can’t be 11.0 but can’t go up because of F-4J and F/A-18A
F/A-18A can’t be 12.3, but gaijin believes that it can’t go up because of F-15C in 13.7
The whole BR radius is cramped.
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the thing is Harrier GR.7 with 4 AIM-9M has huge factor which change things a bit Having an IRCCM can be tricky because the plane doesn’t need to be good just need to be somewhat fast or not slow because the missile will carry it even more because you need to actually try to flare the missile instead of just popping flares whenever you want
f18a is fine at 12.3 tho
Harrier GR.7 can go to 12.0 without an issue 11.7 might be stretch but the Harrier GR.7 is a unique situation Its not fast not slow and have IRCCM missile It’s a bit puzzling its unique to say the least
It isn’t fine if we think about F-4J(UK) is at 12.0, and F-4EJ Kai or Harrier GR.7 & Tornado GR.4 in 12.3
It should’ve tied with F/A-18C (Early) in 12.7BR long ago.
It is largely overdue.
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Maybe, though at the moment I just want BOL overhaul and general Harrier fixes. With those, the Gr7 would probably be one of the stronger aircraft at 12.3. Even though its FM is actually weaker than the AV-8B(NA)
(Let alone the fact there is an internal report for a 6x Aim-9 weapons fit for the Harrier Gr7/T10 and future Harrier Gr9A if it ever needed a major A2A buff )
Aim–9M buffs wouldnt go amiss either.
And thats wtihout even mentioning decompressing 12.0-13.0
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Gaijin classify system is a bit much to say the least av8b capability as a fighter is more then all the plane in this list combined because it it can turn better It’s compatible with speed but has more missile But the thing is they are all up here So it’s a bit puzzling and interesting to try to solve this I would say these planes especially the bucc s2 shouldn’t be this high of br to start with the SHAR FRS1 Early can go to 10.3 with 2 aim9l its just upgrade over av8c or Harrier GR.3 with 2 aim9G at i think 9.3br both of them
Id rather see decompression than compression.
Couple with buffs and fixes. They’d all be fine.
Also, out of all the 9.7 Harriers, the only one that might need a BR drop is the GR1 because its got no CMs, the other 4, are exactly what should be at 9.7, maybe even brushing 10.0 with buffs if compared to the Hunters
On a personal note, the Buc S2B is… fine… ish… At least in SB at 10.7 it does great, looking forward to messing around with it once it gets Sea Eagles tomorrow. Just in ARB it sucks because of uptiers and just how bad ARB is for a ground attacker. Especially one whose main strength is bomb load. So maybe 10.3 for the Buc S2B, purely due to lack of guns. but FRS1e 10.7 is as low as it can go
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They can’t because
1- It is better than A-10A in 10.3BR.
2- AIM-9L is literally a death sentence to flareless subsonics such as Hunter F.6
(IF there were somewhat similar to 10.55BR that existed thanks to decompression, which didn’t happen IRL, then Bucc S.2 would’ve been perfect there.)
Nah, I prefer the FM fix of harriers. It is what should be 9.7.
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man F-4JUK is just absolutely terrible I didn’t fly it but I flew the one in a tree you could put them in 11.7 and it would be more then fine they are missile buss i can see them at 11.3 and still being 50/50
is the Tornado GR.4 the one with better skyflash ? i thought it was 12.0 ? if it was anatomical instead it should be lower br also