Why? Did you come here because of personal hatred caused by a lost argument?
Quite boring, aren’t ya?
1- OP asked about buffing AV-8A(NA) down to 10.7BR
2- I brought another attackers as an examples of why it can’t.
(Even though SHAR were the Fighter instead of the attacker in our FAA IRL, well, Gaijin was classified as Attacker.)
3- if AV-8B(NA) gets buff down to 10.7BR
She will act way superior to your ‘worst of the worst planes’.
That is why we can’t send her down directly.
Just as F-84F problem we discussed earlier, we need to deal with this by
1- Nerfing superior jets in uptiers (Supersonic jets such as F-104A/C in F-84F problem, and 4th Gens as F/A-18A in AV-8B problem.)
2- Decompression, which will create a wider gap.
3- deal with superior fighter counterparts in nearby after decompression (F-86A-5 and 86F-25 in F-84F problem, and F-4E or MiG-23ML series for this problem.)
APPENDIX: Check Morvran’s reply too. He explained that quite well. In both about this problem, and why my argument was great.
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“This plane at 10.7 is far worse!! (Please ignore this 10.7 plane which is far better) That means it belongs at 11.3!”
Is what I’m hearing.
i see some of yall takes on this and i could easily disagree with some of the takes because av-8b(na) it’s a supersonic plane with 4 aim 9L which are pretty good and decent missiles but still they don’t have IRCCM in the jet itself is slow So you guys think you can have a range of
f16 f15 going 1450km+ but the AV8B only does 1100km So overall the reach is lower The ability to catch things are slimmer and its overall a good in a furball fight Last two men standing or trying to carry will automatically put you in disadvantage You will struggle even more though it turned good for a short period of time and has a really good acceleration in lower ranges of speed But you guys forget a there are in a lower BR j7-d in 10.7 with 4 pl5 same performance as aim9l or even better because of how fast they are vs aim9l and mig 21 can do 1370km pretty comfortable
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subsonic
Why would they? The OP wants them at 10.7 where they would simply be the best missiles period on an agile dogfighting platform.
It should just be 11.0
best missile is bit of stretch pl5 in 7jD is better kit and you get 4 of them too and its much faster j7D 1370km vs 1110km av8b
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I am including the idea that the J-7D does not belong here. It doesn’t.
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11.0 is good start but man this br bracket is cluster shitshow you either be pretty good or pretty bad depending on br oof plane
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i kind agree with that but still i want to see a lot of plane sgo down in br or we get like 15.0 something br but still manageable for now as in we need decrease in BRs mig21bis can go down to 10.7 and f5e and other planes to counter each other and make more dynamic game play instead of only one or two nation have been really good playing or missile carrier decent flight model But I still
What? The entire point of raising the BR ceiling is to give room to DECOMPRESS. You are literally advocating for compression. MiG-21bis to 10.7 means more flareless jets face undodgable R-60ms…
f104 asa its at 12.0 for no reason and i think it could be 11.3 with no problem specially after the flight model nerf back before a nerve You could actually dogfight planes like Mig 21 and F4 phantom Using your high speed authority when you are on low fuel you could actually turn pretty decently but now you’re literally a flying pencil
Maybe you must wash your ear and remove some earwax then.
I brought them up because
1- Gaijin classified them as strike jets
2- Gaijin also classified AV-8B(NA) as a strike jet
3- So I compared those for a hypothesis on why it can’t.
Yes, there are better 10.7BR jets that exist, but it just won’t change that
-If AV-8B(NA) goes down to 10.7, SHAR FRS.1(Early) or Bucc S.2, which has fewer AIM-9L and a worse fuselage, will be doomed.
Oh, there is another example of why AV-8B(NA) can’t be 10.7
A-10A, which carries 4 AIM-9L and is 10.7, but flies infinitely slower.
If AV-8B(NA) need to and should be same 10.7BR as A-10A does,
Can our Harrier GR.7 with 4 AIM-9M be the same 11.7BR that which A-10C does?
(Because both AV-8B and GR.7 are Harrier 2, and A-10 is A-10.)
I think you are doing an intended strawmaning and are not productive.
It seems I and Morvran explained well, but your earwax blocked it.
The argument is over. Re-read the comments again.
no on advocating for anything The thing is I have been more room for decompression is better but for now this solution is temporary and the j7d is already doing this at 10.7 j35xs with 6 aim9j is kinda same concept at 10.3
they’re just going to uptier the j7d once they feel like it has been squeezed enough
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TBF it should stay at 10.7 just because what it can face if they move it to 11.0
No, the vehicle that outperforms every other 10.7 by large margins should not stay 11.0 just because its a paid for vehicle that might see some small difficulty if it faces an uptier
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The whole BR system is a clusterfuck
F-86A-5 can’t be 8.0, but Gaijin believes that it can’t go up because of F-104A
F-104A can’t be 9.3 but can’t go up because of T-2
J-7D can’t be 10.7 but can’t go up because of MiG-21bis (based on your claim)
MiG-21bis can’t be 11.0 but can’t go up because of F-4J and F/A-18A
F/A-18A can’t be 12.3, but gaijin believes that it can’t go up because of F-15C in 13.7
The whole BR radius is cramped.
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the thing is Harrier GR.7 with 4 AIM-9M has huge factor which change things a bit Having an IRCCM can be tricky because the plane doesn’t need to be good just need to be somewhat fast or not slow because the missile will carry it even more because you need to actually try to flare the missile instead of just popping flares whenever you want
Harrier GR.7 can go to 12.0 without an issue 11.7 might be stretch but the Harrier GR.7 is a unique situation Its not fast not slow and have IRCCM missile It’s a bit puzzling its unique to say the least
It isn’t fine if we think about F-4J(UK) is at 12.0, and F-4EJ Kai or Harrier GR.7 & Tornado GR.4 in 12.3
It should’ve tied with F/A-18C (Early) in 12.7BR long ago.
It is largely overdue.
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