man Buc S2B should be 10.3 its not an if its buss without gun and has only 2 good missile guess what will happen if you can’t shoot your missile at someone and he turn for you
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Also practically unlimited CMs which is the only reason why I tolerate it being 12.3 and not 12.0
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oh so its typical tornado OK that’s all I need to know 11.7 then in air and i think it’s the one with the better ground missile bombs and ordinate so 12.0 in ground
you cant flare a gun tho :(
No, but I just avoid getting in situations where that is a problem. Though I’ve got a fair few gun kills in the GR4 :P
I disagree about it being 10.3, even though I really want to.
10.55-ish after decompression is the best bet.
I don’t want to punch poor Hunter FGR.9 bastards and some other flareless jets in 9.3.
F-100D would have no chance against me.
GR.4 at 11.7 with a pair of 9M sounds diabolical.
Because the current GR.1 is at 11.7 with a pair of 9L. (GR.1 should’ve 11.3 if we think about WTD61, though)
Anyway, why don’t we just get back on track to the discussion about AV-8B(NA)??
with aim9m and good pilot I wouldn’t think it would be so horrible But even then you are in higher BR like a lot of plane will catch you So it’s inevitable and you lose a lot of speed if you touch your stick a little bit let alone trying to dodge multiple people Trying to get a free kill Or they think that
Yes and no. Its wierd. Its sits in this spot where you always get uptiered which should be really bad… but… you avoid the worst of the base bombing premium spam. So base bombing is much easier than in the 11.7 Tonkas.
And then people just ignore you thinking you are just a free kill Tonka only to eat a Aim-9M.
Dont get me wrong. I think it probably should be 12.0 alongside the Mirage F1 and there is a dozen buffs the Tonkas could get, but its not something im fretting about currently. I’ve got bigger fish to fry like BOL fixes, decompression and ARB overhauls.
But back to the AV-8B(NA) though, I think its fine at 11.3 compared to whats above and below. Just needs fixes
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it has max kill of 1 or 2 max after that what you have you will be literally aa 9.0 br plane in turm of performance a lot of 9.3 to 11.3 will catch you and can do everything better then you so 10.3 isn’t that also both hunter and f100d are faster so the can evade you and pounce On You When do you feel they have a solution Yes I know it’s not going to be like that in an actual game because not everyone is competent So I could see your point
no no I agreeing with this and it’s a tornado with 2 9M it’s not like it’s lighter it’s faster its just the same tornado with only 2 9M in 11.7BR where they are expecting missile so they will flare if they saw a diamond popping on them and maybe you’ll get one killed And then after that every plane in that we are will out perform you Maybe some plane lock speed but other than that it’s a done deal
Sure, remove its AIM-9Ls and it can be 10.7.
Don’t use 100% throttle.
If you’re not flaring R-60s, do better.
The fact it’s subsonic is why it’s 11.3 instead of 12.0 or 12.3 in the case of F-20A.
yeah, about AV-8BNA my conclusion is it deserve to go down BR not to 10.7 as a starter it could be tho but it will be a somewhat busted plane like j7D in term of kit no flight performance so the most common sense i could see for now is to drop it down to 11.0
Its a legit issue.
If your airspeed is low, you cannot flare a rear-aspect R-60M fired from 3km, not without spamming dozens of flares and throttling to idle. Even then… its 50/50.
Heat signature issues are a major problem for the Harriers due to their inverted thrust curves, they gain more thrust at lower airspeeds (though this is actually wrong, they should barely loose any thrust at higher airspeeds)
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The issue is the Sea Harrier FRS1 and AV-8S (Late) at 11.0 already. Same general loadout of 4x Aim-9Ls, but far weaker in terms of FM, gun performance, engine performance and even CMs in the FRS1 case.
Being 11.0 would be extremely unfair on both of them.
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Predicting reply: send them to 10.7
(and it will be extremely unfair to either A-10A or A-7E)
removing 4 aim9l automatically make it a 9.3 plane in term of performance with maybe 4 aim9g it could be 10.0 /10.3 so with this being in mind aim9l being all aspect and still have the same range but has a higher G load Deserve a higher BR to 10.7/11.0 so on this conclusion It’s not out of the picture to be at 10.7 but this will make it another somewhat busted Good kit missile plane like the j7D at 10.7 now so 11.0 is the most balance And deserving BR
r60 if your plane is hot and you do not cut your afterburner, and they are close range they still ignore flare play like an F5 a lees hot plane can flare them consistently and without an issue But for other hot planes it’s not the case not using 100% is more of a reason to be at lower pair because you will not use your full power so what’s the point being force to using only 90% or 80% of your engine power And F-20 doesn’t relate to AV-8b na as its better airframe and carry 6 9l or aim7
not r60m only for somewhat a normal r60 dose the relook thing if you don’t cut your afterburner and fly straight
but this is the problem they all are overtired So what we gonna do We need to look at all the planes performance it’s not just here it’s at higher BR too some plane’s are perfectly fine some planes are overtired some others are downtier that’s the thing its not just one or two or five planes it’s a lot of them
No.
AV-8B(NA) & Harrier T10 vs most 11.3 and 11.7s is fine.
Some of what is at 12.0 is fine for them to see.
The issue is what they face at 12.3, they should not be doing that at all.
What is needed is a decompression. Spacing things out and moving the stronger stuff up. So in a full uptier, you’d only face the mid strength 12.0s? but mostly what is at 11.7. The AV-8B(NA) and Harrier T10 would be fine, pretty strong even. Couple with even a handful of the outstanding bug reports for them… they would be very good
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f5e j7e mig23mld will all outperform the av8b at all but some aspects and f4e can force av8 because it has radar missiles so will have an advantage not in plane itself but because of missile kit so All in all because this is AV8b discussion I would say it deserve 11.0 in a current game setting 10.7 is more busted side but yeah 11.0 should be fine for what av8b offer it will not be too strong Or two week And as you in a full up tier it will face strong planes but will be capable in a certain aspect to beat them