China number 1 !!! F-16 is the best 13.0 plane !!!
5 of 12 planes in the screenshot you posted, are Mig 29.
I wouldn’t say that no one plays it.
Radar, RWR and cockpit visibility are so important, of course western planes are more popular and more comfortable to play
Yeah because downtiering a plane never brings more people to play it right?
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Yes, and look at enemy team, twice as many players … not all are them, in blue team you had to scroll to see them all. So much more people are playing american F-16, F-15 and F-14.
In red team, there are much much more people that have Germany and Rusia, but china and japan have an importan representation in every match.
Many people having the Mig29 prefer not to fly it, even if they would balance the matches, they prefer to be in 2 vs 1 in team blue.
He hunted you too, I guess he found you were too cocky too XD
ADF for 13.0 too high，but the JA37D also too high for 12.0 , There is an issue with the flight control parameters of the aircraft.
On red team people are happy to fly the F-16 at 13.0, rather than the Mig-29G, mustn’t be so bad …
People really trying to say the MiG-29 or Su-27 are somehow popular or played in sim? Besides your screenshot there… when France is on redfor its always a bunch of Mirage 2Ks and F-16s as well…
F-16 with sparrows are fine at 13.0, but the problem is that they left a bunch of undertiered planes with similar or better performance, like the mig29’s. The radar missiles are orders of magnitude more useful now, and any plane that has a R-27ER is incredibly powerful in its own right.
Another problem is that top tier above 13.0 is still INCREDIBLY compressed and you have a bunch of things that have no business being in the same BR as your average f-16 ADF, like gipen A and the F-15A.
Top tier should be 14.7 at minimum
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MiG-29 should be the same BR or even LOWER than the F-16ADF… you are heavily overrating the 29 just because R27ERs are on the high end of SARH, while the 7M is as well… MiG-29 has the much worse FM and while it has great SARH, the F-16 still has GOOD sarh while also offering way better IR missiles (in the case of the early 29s) as well as a better gun…
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I mean…the OP thought it would be better than the plain jane F-14A in a dogfight.
Unfortunately he didn’t want to do any BvR.
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what discord anyway, been wanting to expand my options
The r-27er are essentially 2 guaranteed kills. Everything the F-16 can throw at you is easy to defend against, aim9L is easily flared too, and they are not superior in every regard when compared to r-60m. I prefer the r-60m at close rear aspect range than the aim9L every day of the week.
You are downplaying the impact r-27ERs have on the game, even with only 2 of them, having the ability to reliably kill 1-2 people early game is a big catalyst to snowball a win. And they act as pseudo fox3 missiles with more range and speed if you know how to operate the radar
Against bad players? Sure. Good players make these not so much “free kills”
same with mig29, ppl overrate how hard it is to notch any missile, even r27er… and you have the balls to say 9Ls are easily flared when the opposition here are R-60ms lmao, both have the same resistance in reality but the 9L is a far better Ir missile overall
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Yes, the way to defeat good players is to make sure your team snowballs against them, nothing better than R-27ER early game to do the job, that’s why having competent R-27ER carriers on your team is far more valuable than F-16’s
You said it yourself, both have similar flare resistance. I didn’t said the 9L is the worse missile anywhere, I said the R-60m are better in a specific circumstance, which is also the only reliable circumstance to use those missiles against aware opponents. If you’re fighting a good player, r-60m’s are superior, since the only way to kill an aware opponent is to launch a rear aspect fox2 at close distance, were the agility and acceleration of the R-60m will be advantageous to put the missile close enough for it to ignore flares.
And the R-27ER is probably the hardest missile to notch, while having the best kinematics too even compared to the new fox3 missiles
It’s the przybysz86 WT SIM discord.
It’s basically a bunch of people spending more time talking about sim than actually playing it.
Hate to tell you but I don’t value R27ERs that much more than AIM-7s because both for me have a high success rate when I use them correctly… I also defeat both more often than not. You keep overrating them. They are the best SARH but AIM-7s are not far off.
No circumstance are R-60 better. 9Ls are just better since they have the same flare resistance in rear aspect (making both about equal at closer ranges) but can be used at much farther ranges and aspects.
Like I said, both have similar flare resistance and in that matter both are about as good at close range… the small advantages the R60 have really dont matter in this scenario.
Don’t see the point arguing any further about this, for me its like comparing a aim9b to a aim9g, and I know the aim7f/m is the 2nd best sarh, which makes this issue even worse.
r-60 faster > r-60m gets closer to engine than aim9l in the same timeframe > flare resistance doesn’t matter if missile FOV can’t even see the flare.
That’s why I said the r60m is better in short range rear aspect shoots, cant make it more clear than this. The time window for your target to react to the missile is smaller.
When flying a mig29 I think of r60m’s as an extension of my gun, I almost only use them after getting a good position behind the enemy at gun distance, they won’t let you down, aim9L in the same circumstance will, sometimes.
even if I do agree that its better in very short range shots, the 9L would still be far better as a missile, more so than the R27ER is to the 7F/M, all of this ignoring the fact the F-16 FM is miles ahead of the MiG-29 FM as well
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