I mean…the OP thought it would be better than the plain jane F-14A in a dogfight.
Unfortunately he didn’t want to do any BvR.
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what discord anyway, been wanting to expand my options
The r-27er are essentially 2 guaranteed kills. Everything the F-16 can throw at you is easy to defend against, aim9L is easily flared too, and they are not superior in every regard when compared to r-60m. I prefer the r-60m at close rear aspect range than the aim9L every day of the week.
You are downplaying the impact r-27ERs have on the game, even with only 2 of them, having the ability to reliably kill 1-2 people early game is a big catalyst to snowball a win. And they act as pseudo fox3 missiles with more range and speed if you know how to operate the radar
Against bad players? Sure. Good players make these not so much “free kills”
same with mig29, ppl overrate how hard it is to notch any missile, even r27er… and you have the balls to say 9Ls are easily flared when the opposition here are R-60ms lmao, both have the same resistance in reality but the 9L is a far better Ir missile overall
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Yes, the way to defeat good players is to make sure your team snowballs against them, nothing better than R-27ER early game to do the job, that’s why having competent R-27ER carriers on your team is far more valuable than F-16’s
You said it yourself, both have similar flare resistance. I didn’t said the 9L is the worse missile anywhere, I said the R-60m are better in a specific circumstance, which is also the only reliable circumstance to use those missiles against aware opponents. If you’re fighting a good player, r-60m’s are superior, since the only way to kill an aware opponent is to launch a rear aspect fox2 at close distance, were the agility and acceleration of the R-60m will be advantageous to put the missile close enough for it to ignore flares.
And the R-27ER is probably the hardest missile to notch, while having the best kinematics too even compared to the new fox3 missiles
It’s the przybysz86 WT SIM discord.
It’s basically a bunch of people spending more time talking about sim than actually playing it.
Hate to tell you but I don’t value R27ERs that much more than AIM-7s because both for me have a high success rate when I use them correctly… I also defeat both more often than not. You keep overrating them. They are the best SARH but AIM-7s are not far off.
No circumstance are R-60 better. 9Ls are just better since they have the same flare resistance in rear aspect (making both about equal at closer ranges) but can be used at much farther ranges and aspects.
Like I said, both have similar flare resistance and in that matter both are about as good at close range… the small advantages the R60 have really dont matter in this scenario.
Don’t see the point arguing any further about this, for me its like comparing a aim9b to a aim9g, and I know the aim7f/m is the 2nd best sarh, which makes this issue even worse.
r-60 faster > r-60m gets closer to engine than aim9l in the same timeframe > flare resistance doesn’t matter if missile FOV can’t even see the flare.
That’s why I said the r60m is better in short range rear aspect shoots, cant make it more clear than this. The time window for your target to react to the missile is smaller.
When flying a mig29 I think of r60m’s as an extension of my gun, I almost only use them after getting a good position behind the enemy at gun distance, they won’t let you down, aim9L in the same circumstance will, sometimes.
even if I do agree that its better in very short range shots, the 9L would still be far better as a missile, more so than the R27ER is to the 7F/M, all of this ignoring the fact the F-16 FM is miles ahead of the MiG-29 FM as well
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Yes, the 9L is better overall, specially if you are sneaky and climb. But I’d rather have 2x27er + 4x60m than 2x7m + 4x9L. At least if I care about winning. Also the mig29 flight performance is not as bad as people paint it. FM probably bad, but as far as performance goes, is still quite good, especially the 9.12. And you get a better radar in some aspects
You realize that we are talking about sim in the sim sub-forum.
Teams don’t snowball in the same way as Air RB because people can respawn.
The MiG-29 is not dominant at any BR that it fights at in sim.
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Fair enough. I didn’t initially realize it was sim only.
I’d rather have the latter… on an F-16, which has the better FM by far as well
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R-60M? The missile you essentially need to ram straight into enemy pilots bottom before you even launch if you want it to connect in rear aspect, is better for rear aspect than AIM-9L?
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Then go play the Mig29 and show us … if you have skill issue and never avoid them, it’s your problem, not the Mig29 being op.
Edit: Oh my god, I though you played allways USA, but you don’t even play SB …
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I can carry 5 if you do one 7f and for 9L’s, that’s how I prefer to fly it.
Yes, because the aim9L also essentially needs to be rammed into enemy rear too in order for the missile FOV to not see flares, and at that distance the r-60m works better
I did, both the mig29 and the j11 worked really well mainly due to their 27ers, but that is not reflected in my stats because I didn’t play them as extensively after spading them as the f-16’s, but overall I had very consistent games in the r-27er platforms. Also I don’t main any specific nation, but yes I don’t play sim, my bad for not realising this was sim only, already mentioned that
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That´s what I had in mind if I can get it -50 %. Thanks for confirming that it´s possible. Such a cool ass plane and a must buy even if I don´t have any research need for it. The earliest possible sale will probably be new year´s though.
Yeah I really liked the plane, it has its faults for sure. However I thought it’s pretty decent plane, and while it doesn’t have aim120 or 7m. The 7f got me kills, and at a minimum a lot of time it allowed me to close the distance and make them get defensive on my way there and change at least the head on’s dynamic a bit since I came on in the better position if I saw them in advance. As well, it allowed me to more easily deal with helis from further away.
With regards to GRB, I’m not good at ARB and am learning it now. I mostly got these planes and have the top tier plane I do now simply to get to hire tier GRB and leave the 1DL clickbaits behind and all.
So, I liked it and thought it was over priced for sure… but mostly worth it. If you can get it half price, I say def worth it.