Of course in the game there has to be balance, no one reasonable is asking for F-22 vs Su-27s. However, perfect balance is impossible. If perfect balance is impossible, it makes sense that the slightly better nation should be the one that is being handicapped the most to be balanced.
It would be dumb if U.S. planes were average or bad, while irl they are the best, and have it covered up by the need for balance. There would be neither balance, nor… not historical accuracy, but let’s say historical vibe.
Right now Russian planes need a buff to something. In my opinion the buff should be such, that the spirits of all of these jets would be kept true to reality.
Don’t reverse history for a still unbalanced game.
And USSR had superior weapons, whether it’s air to air missiles, SPAAs or CAS.
Before you say anything, AIM-9M isn’t a better missile than R-73. They are equal, but have different use cases. AIM-9M is better for medium range. In a dogfight R-73 is better, it’s the flight models that win dogfights for the blue team. You could argue that AIM-9M is better in most situations, but those situations are created by a better flight model.
You could say that F-15A was the better plane before the multipathing change, now it’s not the case. Su-27’s offensive capabilities would be unmatched at 13.0. The only thing it lacks in that regard is scan speed.
There are players that are asking for all sorts of things to buff the USA tech tree in the form of things like the F-22, Aim-174b, and ECM options. That is in addition to attempting to nerf the R-27ER which has been an ongoing bellyache since it was added.
By and large the USA playerbase wants to have the game absolutely hold their hand and they flip out whenever someone has something that is mildly competitive.
It would also be dumb if US planes were afforded advantages that they would not have IRL and in a way that alters the tactics they would prefer.
And yet the F-16A does not have an AoA limit and it doesn’t have a G limit. At the same time the MiG-29 had it’s flight model gutted with the MiG-29 SMT update and never received R-73s. The same thing can be said of the Su-27 flight model also being inaccurate.
The F-15A also completely outclassing anything Russian in a dogfight ends up being a completely arbitrary buff.
The jets do not perform to reality and they don’t even over perform in the same way that Western jets do in War Thunders pseudo-reality.
I am speaking strictly of Air EC. I do not play ground so I do not care about CAS or SPAA.
The Aim-9M is straight up better in most cases for playing EC. Having a missile that is totally invisible to most players is a huge advantage. And the suspension tracking IRCCM is also more useful against planes that have a lot of countermeasures.
If you had actually played red side in the last patch you would realize how obnoxious and broken planes like the Gripen were that completely negated the R-73 just by turning on periodic flares.
Multi-pathing by and large still works on most maps. It is actually by and large the preferred method that red team players are forced to use in order to defeat radar missiles. Just notch bro doesn’t work when sitting in the notch is the perfect aspect for an Aim-9M shot.
Worst case scenario for the Su-27 at 13.0 is that the average US player would be forced to learn how to defend from an overwhelming onslaught of missiles that is the norm for red side players to have to deal with at top tier.
In reality it wouldn’t even be that bad because a lot the maps are flat and if the western flight models win if things get to the merge.
But we can’t have that. The game needs to be rebalanced by removing the R-27ER and ensuring that USA has the best planes and weaponry in every possible BR bracket.
No, the argument always was to remove R-27ER or at least add AIM-7P. The rest is your personal beef with U.S. mains, no one takes people who want F-22 right now seriously.
They removed the G-limiter for the F-16, because they didn’t implement it for any other plane, F-16 was the only one suffering from this.
G-limiter can be turned off on most planes, on F-16 it officially can’t, but it may be classified. The G-limiter’s goal is to reduce maintenance cost. The plane wouldn’t fall apart if it hit more than 9G, but it would be damaged over time and repairs would be needed. I bet that in life or death situation the pilot can turn it off even in an F-16.
The Russian flight models should be buffed, the problem is that there is only linear drag in War Thunder. Gaijin has to implement drag curves, otherwise if they fix Russian flight models in subsonic speeds, they would be inaccurate in supersonic speeds. F-16 should be unstable, but again there’s a technical limitation in the game.
If you think I’m fine with it, you’re wrong, everything in the paragraph above should be fixed. The G-limiter can be implemented for all planes in SAS dampening mode and be turned off in manual controls. However, the G-limiter is not necessary, it would be a nice addition.
It has to be fixed.
I have played against AIM-9Ms a little bit, when fighting Gripens. I was able to tell that AIM-9M was being launched at me purely off of my 6th sense, but usually too late to react. I bet with more practice I would be able to flare them reliably.
Gripen’s flares are indeed obnoxious.
AIM-9M can be flared from the side. I think it’s the only time it’s IRCCM is actually effective, from the front and rear it works more like any other missile.
You have to start flaring and then change course when it’s seeker turns off, it’s very important to start flaring before you turn. The real problem is knowing it has been launched. It’s position isn’t a problem, you can guess it’s somewhere in between you and the enemy plane.
No it’s not about USA having the best everything. It’s about maintaining some historical accuracy.
U.S. planes were designed around BVR, that’s why they have good energy retention, good radars, good RWR and good BVR missiles. Russian planes are still designed around dogfights, that’s why they have supermaneuverability, HMS and R-73.
Gaijin has pretty much reversed that for Fox 1 era gen 4s. Russians are good in BVR because of an OP missile (now less OP after the nerf) and Americans are good at dogfights, because of bad Russian flight models. It’s dumb and unnecessary. They made a sniper rifle behave like an SMG, and an SMG behave like a sniper rifle.
F-4E has a much better “BVR” missile, an AIM-7E/E2, while MiG-21s has an R-3R. MiG-21 on the other hand is more maneuverable with a better missile for dogfights, R-60/R-60M, while F-4E has AIM-9Js. I really can’t see why this dynamic can’t be continued with gen 4s, both the fox 1 era and fox 3 era.
If AIM-9M would be too strong to make Russians better at dogfights in fox 1 era, then F-15A can have AIM-9Ls only, like F-16A/ADF and F-14B, I wouldn’t really care.
Annnnd you’re done. Missiles defeated. I know sim is a whole lot harder than ARB but not being able to defeat a 15G missile that 90% of the time won’t pull 15Gs makes me question if you think AIM-9Bs are hard to defeat.
May be beeping but it’s not lighting up with missile warnings, when it does you would what you would with literally any other radar missile no? I don’t see the issue.
In terms of G overload no. And that’s what’s relevant to this discussion.
Yes, but the F-90 doesn’t have enough AOA to pull 15Gs. Sensor view almost always has them between 5-11Gs when maneuvering. A last minute high G barrel roll defeats a phoenix so it will definitely defeat an F-90
Again, I don’t have the MiG-29. I am giving examples of why it’s not as bad as you think it is using what I know to figure out what I don’t know. In planes with the shitty mirage detecteur if I get lit up as CW I will try to find the missile diamond and if I can’t I will just go cold.
And yes I know SB doesn’t have missile diamonds, but the massive smoke trail will be enough to point directly to where the F-90 is.
Oh goodie someone doesn’t want to have a discussion about the game and says I should play an aircraft I don’t have. I’m legitimately trying to discuss with you why you feel this way.
to be honest idk, maybe its because USA has more options to play, meanwhile Germany for example doenst any options, just Mig29 at 12.7.
at least for sim battles
Why do you wanna discuss about a game mode that you don’t play ?
Why do you try to give lessons about a thing you don’t play to people who plays it ?
This is a forum for discussing SB, I would like to discuss with people that understand SB, not with people that feel they are so smart they can give me lessons on something they have never done.
