Nothing changes then.
Phoenix can be defeated by cranking without need to go full defensive and R-27ER beats AIM-7F/M in G pull, speed and range.
Its the tomcat that needs to go defensive in this scenario.
Have you figured out how to takeoff in SB?
Or do you have replay with your BvR duels with your friend?
Didnt have spare time to learn sim controls, sorry. Managed to squeze in only few games in the last few days.
I could provide those, but without the accompanying voice chat im fraid you will get skewed impression.
OR
If you have time over the weekend, im sure we can work something out in custom battles, like forced cockpit and no markers whilist allowing me to fly the normal RB controls.
Even in EC, if people get 4 AIM-54C, and 2 AIM 7-F, you are still spamed with phoenixes XD
If you don’t even play SB, why do you come here to give your opinion on what BR should the planes have, etc ??? Play SB first, speak after …
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Missiles act the same no matter if they are RB or SB.
If i can dodge 17G missile by cranking, so can you.
How many times we must say that radar and RWR in the Mig29 are crap, and you don’t see shit in EC ?
You say you only fly by instruments, but labels are there … also your instruments are not full of clutter like in EC.
Do it in SB EC, in a regular basis, not once.
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To specify, I was flying solely by instruments for that mock battle.
They are not.
Planes get labeled at 10km and missiles get labeled under 10km AND as long as their motor is burning.
Phoenix launched from 40km wont be marked neither in RB nor SB.
Radar is bad when compared to F-16s/F-15s. Its sufficient when compared to radar on F-14As.
RWR, as long as it can detect the band of the F-14As radar, which im nearly sure it can do, and can detect launched missile, which again im nearly sure it can, is sufficient to dodge phoenixes at long ranges.
In a real match, when you notch/crank a Phoenix, you can be going to another one that is not yet in your RWR because it didn’t go pitbull … go and try the Phoenix spam in a Mig29
Also if you shot a 27ER,the most probable is you shot it on someone else, and you are not defending.
Granted, this is the one argument i cant properly counter.
Yes, by cranking one phoenix you could unknowingly be turning straight into other one coming at you from different ditection - this is problem limited to sim battles and i cant say anything against it.
In RB most of the phoenix spam happens in the first 5 minutes in match and at those ranges they are pretty much coming from one direction.
With all of the above being said tho, even IF you are turning into another AIM-54 that is yet to go pitbull, it is still a 17G missile and evasion is possible.
Which is irrelevant in a SB discussion.
In SB the missile can come fromanywhere. It’s not as silly as RB, where you know when and where the enemy is coming from.
This is added situational awareness that you get from RB mission design that you don’t get in SB. Then there is the issue of workload, which reduces the amount of attention you can invest into situational awareness in sim compared to RB.
Why is it always RB players that spam threads of other modes and general threads and make them about their third rate gamemode? Is it arrogance? Selfimportance?
Sure but almost everything is possible. There us a woman that survived a drop from 10.000 feet, so that is possible. Possible doesn’t mean sh*t, we need the likelihood to make assessments.
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Calm down mr. Maverick, didnt know i was talking to real life military aviator such as yourself 💀💀
Cant really claim arrogance while acting arrogant af, can you?
At the end if the day, people are unironically arguing that 17G missile is impossible to dodge, which is kinda funny.
Of course it’s posible, evading 27ER is posible too …
The thing is that when you are in a Mig29 you have to be evading phoenixes since takeoff, and the time you are doing that, you are not going agresive on other players, and while you evade, you are an easy target to other players. You have to be fighting misiles that are pitbull, and also players.
When A mig29 launches an ER, he doesn’t see anything else on radar, is very vulnerable to other people. When I play the F-16A, I kill a lot of people on the Mig29 that make long distance launches.
As UnknowDistance says, when you learn how to play the Mig29, you go radar off most of the time, and you only shot 27ER at short distance.
BTW, the mig29 RWR doesn’t filter friendlies, so when you are getting a lock, you don’t know if it’s an F-14 or a friendly Mig29, and the same for the pings. Also when the phoenix goes pitbull, you don’t know if it’s an ARH misile alone, or if it’s an SARH and the enemy is close.
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Fair enough.
IR only F-16A? Idea of removing markers from RB as possible fix to IR only planes at top tier was floatin around recently, this seems to confirm that as workable solution.
Phoenixes cant possibly have such ranges as to threaten player on take off as soon as the gane starts, even in sim
Yes, you have so much awareness with that RWR and radar … the best 12.7 plane by far !!! I love it !!!
I don’t play it much because it’s hard to find matches where bluefor is not bulling redfor.
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Lol what kind of strawman is that?
Are you offended by me calling RB third rate? And know you think it means i do that because you think i see SB as real flying?lol, no AB is better than RB. Just stay in your lane. And RB players do it to AB threads just as much.
Dude you are the one trying to capture a thread for RB.
So how am i arrogant? I said RB is bad nothing more. To be arrogant i would have to elevate myself over you, which is what you are doing because you think your knowledge of a completely different gamemode qualifies you to talk about SB. I am not talking about stuff i don’t know anything about.
No they are not, they are saying it is harder to dodge in SB compared to RB due to the reduced situational awareness in SB compared to RB. Making the missile more effective in that mode, which necessitates BR corrections.
Then you come here telling them how they are wrong without having experience of the gamemode differences… Telling the SB Community what is true about SB, while only using RB knowledge… That’s arrogance.
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We were actually having a normal convo with the other guy brfore you barged in.
Lets see.
Most importantly
So yeah, youre arrogant but let others be judge of that.
Also
💀💀💀 You will never be a real pilot.
Now if you excuse me, get blocked, i want to return to have a normal discussion with other people.
Anyway, same offer as to the other guy - if i can manage to figure out how to force cockpit view and remove markers in custom battles while allowing me to fly with my current controls, id be up to actually having a mock battle between MiG-29G and F-14A.
Lol, so my idea of what you think is correct. You really are triggered because i called RB third rate. That’s all you have to go on… great. I also like how you saw an attack on RB as a personal attack on you. So you had to clap back.
Here is the truth:
Arcade (!!!) is the best gamemode of WT. RB is third rate because it is bad as a game, not because it doesn’t portray flying.
So now think about it rationally:
When you bring an argument that is based on RB into SB, without initially telling, you give an impression about SB, which is false and is actually a perspective on RB. So a third party will see that as a SB perspective. This should be making clear that you need to stay away from the parts on the forum that is about your mode. You are hindering change in a mode you don’t give a f*ck about and now can’t just step back, apologize and leave, noooooo… you try to make up how playing in first püerson without markers it totally the same and that your view is totally valid… just step back
You’d still have too low of a workload .
Nobody is arguing that it’s impossible to dodge.
The argument is simply that they create persistent pressure in the game that keeps you from being able to reliably exploit the advantages of the R-27ER. And it’s a much more persistent presence in SB because of the team imbalance and the fact that there are respawns.
It’s not like Air RB where everyone that wants to Phoenix spam has launched all of them in the first 2 minutes of the game and you are more or less done defending against them at the start of the match. A lot of the times I am launching them at guys that have freshly spawned while I am at Mach 1+ at 10km. That missile is going pit-bull on you while you are waiting for planes to render on your radar screen and if you defend it…I am following up with an Aim-7 before you even lock me with your radar.
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This is the thing … a 1 vs 1 probes nothing.
Yes, in SB people land, get 6 more, rince and repeat, you are getting spamed all the time !!!