Yes, but the F-90 doesn’t have enough AOA to pull 15Gs. Sensor view almost always has them between 5-11Gs when maneuvering. A last minute high G barrel roll defeats a phoenix so it will definitely defeat an F-90
Again, I don’t have the MiG-29. I am giving examples of why it’s not as bad as you think it is using what I know to figure out what I don’t know. In planes with the shitty mirage detecteur if I get lit up as CW I will try to find the missile diamond and if I can’t I will just go cold.
And yes I know SB doesn’t have missile diamonds, but the massive smoke trail will be enough to point directly to where the F-90 is.
Then come play, it’s so easy, you see the smoke. You’ll not see me giving lessons to people in the AB and RB forum …
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Oh goodie someone doesn’t want to have a discussion about the game and says I should play an aircraft I don’t have. I’m legitimately trying to discuss with you why you feel this way.
to be honest idk, maybe its because USA has more options to play, meanwhile Germany for example doenst any options, just Mig29 at 12.7.
at least for sim battles
Why do you wanna discuss about a game mode that you don’t play ?
Why do you try to give lessons about a thing you don’t play to people who plays it ?
This is a forum for discussing SB, I would like to discuss with people that understand SB, not with people that feel they are so smart they can give me lessons on something they have never done.
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No you are not. You are ignoring his points completely. That’s not a discussion.
Also you make baseless assumptions, but don’t retract them when being called out on them. It is Impossible to discuss with you on that basis.
You need to play SB to understand the issue.
You completely ignore the difference in situational awareness in SB compared to RB and act like it is the same… It isn’t.
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This is the real point !!!
In RB videos I see a lot of people evade the misiles with barrel rolls, in SB you don’t see that … they think we are stupid it seems.
Also in RB you know what misile you are evading, in SB you have no clue most of the times, if it’s high G or low G.
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You also know the direction the enemies are coming from. There are rarely multi angle attacks since all enemies start from the same airfield at the same time.
You are also much more occupied with flying which means you have less attention to give to observing missiles.
Having played mostly RB recently due to having a newborn, i can say the difference is huge.
Yes the mechanics of missile evasion is technically identical in RB and SB. But there is a huge difference in knowing what to do and when to do it and executing it. And that’s where the difference lies…
And then the RB plebs go “just do it bro” completely ignoring that we don’t have the instructor holding our hand and no 3rd person view.
Tangent: i find it weird, that it is only RB players coming into threads of the other modes and thinking they know everything even though they don’t play that mode. They do it to AB threads too.
It’s never the AB players doing it.
There has to be a reason for that.
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Guys at this point, just go play DCS.
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Which has worse missile modelling.
It’s better at modelling the single planes.and their cockpits, but they tok a lot of shortcuts on the actual combat mechanics, especially around IR missiles
-ir missiles ignore clouds
-flare effectiveness is determined by a simple random number generator.
DCS isn’t the flawless perfection everyone makes it out to be. Do people really think mentioning DCS counts as an argument?
I am asking you why you feel a certain way and applying facts that stay consistent across all gamemodes. A 15G missile in RB is the same 15G missile in SB. Never once did I say I know things when I don’t, in fact I asked questions about how SB worked and used that in my posts.
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Dude
I mean did you even read the conversation I had with him? I asked questions and used the answers he game me to continue on. Your SB supremacy complex is showing.
Oh wow look at that it’s me acknowledging differences between RB and sim
In SB you don’t know how many Gs has the misiles you are evading !!! That’s the fact, not your bullshit based on label info.
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So you would treat it as any other radar missile and go defensive and easily defeat it no? What am I missing here?
You don’t know how many Gs a missile has in any game mode unless you say the aircraft that fired it.
No you don’t. You mention the diamonds which are irrelevant. You also act like the differences aren’t a big deal, this is why you post sh*t like this:
This process is easy in RB, not in SB.
The RWR onnthat br range usually doesn’t accurately show the direction, missiles often come from multiple directions due to the mission design, or they come in from an angle where the RWR doesn’t work properly. Whcih doesn’t happen in RB since you already know where the enemy is coming from.
I am trying to explain how you don’t understand the issue of something you have zero experience with.
That’s elitist? But barging into the subforum of something you don’t play and lecturing them on how their experiences are wrong isn’t?
You are the one thinking he knows better than the guys actually playing the mode… But i am the one feeling superior? Sure.
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This is exactly what I’m asking for to have a discussion with you. You need to give me information to have an honest discussion. Saying “you can’t have a discussion because you don’t play the mode” is elitist and a superiority complex.
So you should do what you did before the F-14 event right? The presence of a new missile doesn’t change that.
Then since it’s fater than 27ER, you are recognising it’s OP in SB XD
Faster than an R-27ER but you can’t turn around in that time? I really doubt you can’t turn around in that timeframe, even with SB flight models.
You should aply all your valuable knowledge when you play to improve a little your stats. Theory is good, but it seems you don’t aply it when you fly.
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