Well, I only said this because Kazakhs already have a vehicle in the game by the name of the Su-25BM, anything indigenous and Soviet decent would just go to that tree. I can get it if it’s a Turkish vehicle though.
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Ground does not need any copy paste Warsaw Pact equipment though we might use some Kazakh planes in Aviation Tech Tree. That being said our stance for ground forces is quite clear; only vehicles related to Turkey/Turkish Defence Industry will be included, we had pretty good Kazakhstan Sub-Tree post let me post it again here so you can check if you have not. Also appreciate your ideas, thank you mate.
Kazakhstan Ground Forces Sub-Branch
Kazakhstan is the perfect example of how a Sub-Branch should be, its a blend of unique vehicles of Kazakhstan and Turkish upgrade packages. Albeit amount of vehicles Kazakhstan offers somewhat limited, those vehicles are unique and related to Turkey/Turkish Arms Industry in one way or another, also cooperation between Turkey and Kazakhstan is increasing so there is room for new addition in the future. List of current vehicles in Kazakhstan Sub-Branch as follows:
Anti-Air Vehicles
Arlan 4x4 (PMI)
Brief Specification
Armament
Main:
• IGLA-1 MANPADS
• IGLA-S MANPADS
Secondary: None
Mobility
Engine: Cummins ˀ Diesel Engine, 285 Horsepower
Transmission: Unspecified Automatic Transmission
Suspension: ?
Top Speed: 100 km/h
Horsepower-Per-Ton: Around 17.8 hp/t (Likely a Little Less)
Protection
Armor: STANAG 4569 Level III
Smoke Grenades: None
Active/Passive Protection System: None
Accessories
Night Sight
IR Sight
Salvo Firing Ability
Laser Range Finder
Dual-Axis Stabilization
Passive Target Searching
Automatic Target Tracking
Fire On-the-Move Capability
Automatic Target Acquisition
Estimated Battle Rating: 9.3
MT-LB (IMLS)
Brief Specification
Armament
Main:
• IGLA-1 MANPADS
• IGLA-S MANPADS
Secondary: None
Mobility
Engine: YaMZ 238 Diesel Engine, 240 Horsepower
Transmission: Mechanical Transmission
Suspension: Torsion Bar
Top Speed: 61 km/h
Horsepower-Per-Ton: Around 20 hp/t
Protection
Armor: STANAG 4569 Level III
Smoke Grenades: None
Active/Passive Protection System: None
Accessories
Night Sight
IR Sight
Salvo Firing Ability
Laser Range Finder
Dual-Axis Stabilization
Passive Target Searching
Automatic Target Tracking
Fire On-the-Move Capability
Automatic Target Acquisition
Estimated Battle Rating: 9.7
Main Branch
Tulpar (SAMSON Mk.II)
Brief Specification
Armament
Main: Mk44 Bushmaster II 30mm Dual-Feed Auto-Cannon
Secondary: Co-Axial 7.62mm Machine Gun
ATGM: SPIKE-LR & SPIKE-LR II
Mobility
Engine: Scania DSI V8 Turbocharged Diesel Engine, 810 Horsepower
Transmission: SAPA SG-850 Fully Automatic Transmission, 32-Speed
Suspension: Torsion Bar
Top Speed: 70 km/h
Horsepower-Per-Ton: Around 24 or 25 hp/t
Protection
Hull Armor: STANAG 4569 Level II Up To Level IV
Turret Armor: STANAG 4569 Level III
Smoke Grenades: 6x
Active/Passive Protection System: None
Accessories
Night Sight
Thermal Sight
Laser Range Finder
Automatic Target Tracking
Hunter-Killer Capacity (Commander’s Override)
Estimated Battle Rating: 9.0
Tulpar (2K23)
Brief Specification
Armament
Main: Shipunov
• 2A72 30mm Dual-Feed Auto-Cannon
• 2A70 100mm L/39 Low Pressure Rifled Cannon
Secondary: PKT 7.62mm Machinu-Gun
Mobility
Engine: Scania DSI V8 Turbocharged Diesel Engine, 810 Horsepower
Transmission: SAPA SG-850 Fully Automatic Transmission, 32-Speed
Suspension: Torsion Bar
Top Speed: 70 km/h
Horsepower-Per-Ton: Around 24.1 or 25.3 hp/t
Protection
Hull Armor: STANAG 4569 Level II Up To Level IV
Turret Armor: STANAG 4569 Level III
Smoke Grenades: 8x
Active/Passive Protection System: None
Accessories
Night Sight
Thermal Sight
Laser Range Finder
Dual-Axis Stabilization
Estimated Battle Rating: 9.3
Arma 8x8 (VN-20 CM)
Brief Specification
Armament
Main: Shipunov
• ZPT-99 30mm Dual-Feed Auto-Cannon
• 2A70 100mm L/39 Low Pressure Rifled Cannon
Secondary: Type 86 7.62mm Machine-Gun
ATGM: HJ-12E
Mobility
Engine: Caterpillar C9 Turbocharged Diesel Engine, 600 or 720 Horsepower
Transmission: Unspecified Fully Automatic Transmission, 7-Speed Automatic Gearbox
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Top Speed: 105 km/h
Horsepower-Per-Ton: Around 18,75 hp/t or 22,5 hp/t
Protection
Hull Armor: STANAG 4569 Level II Up To Level IV
Turret Armor: STANAG 4569 Level III
Smoke Grenades: 6x
Active/Passive Protection System: None
Accessories
CITV
Autoloader
Night Sight
Thermal Sight
Laser Range Finder
Dual-Axis Stabilization
Laser Warning Receiver
Hunter-Killer Capacity (Commander’s Override)
Estimated Battle Rating: 9.0
Arma 8x8 (NEFER)
Brief Specification
Armament
Main: Shipunov 2A42 30mm Dual-Feed Auto-Cannon
Secondary:
• Co-Axial PKT 7.62mm Machine-Gun or NSV 12.7mm Heavy Machine-Gun
• Co-Axial PKT 7.62mm Machine-Gun or NSV 12.7mm Heavy Machine-Gun
Mobility
Engine: Caterpillar C9 Turbocharged Diesel Engine, 600 or 720 Horsepower
Transmission: Unspecified Fully Automatic Transmission, 7-Speed Automatic Gearbox
Suspension: Hydropneumatic
Top Speed: 105 km/h
Horsepower-Per-Ton: Around 20 hp/t or 24 hp/t
Protection
Hull Armor: STANAG 4569 Level II Up To Level IV
Turret Armor: STANAG 4569 Level II
Smoke Grenades: 8x
Active/Passive Protection System: None
Accessories
Night Sight
Thermal Sight ˀ
Laser Range Finder
Dual-Axis Stabilization
Automatic Target Tracking
Automatic Ballistic Calculation
Hunter-Killer Capacity (Commander’s Override) ˀ
Estimated Battle Rating: 9.3
T-72B (TFCS)
Brief Specification
Armament
Main: 2A46M 125mm Smoothbore Cannon
Secondary:
• Co-Axial PKT 7.62mm Machine Gun
• SARP NSV Remotely Controlled Weapon Station Mounted NSV 12.7mm Heavy Machine-Gun
Mobility
Engine: V-84 Diesel Engine, 840 Horsepower
Transmission: Synchromesh Hydraulically Assisted, 7 Forward, 1 Reverse
Suspension: Torsion Bar
Top Speed: 60 km/h
Horsepower-Per-Ton: Around 18 hp/t
Protection
Armor:
• RHA
• Composite Elements
• Explosive Reactive Armor
Smoke Grenades: 8x
Active/Passive Protection System: None
Accessories
Night Sight
Thermal Sight
Laser Range Finder
Estimated Battle Rating: 10.0
T-72KAE
Brief Specification
Armament
Main: 2A46 125mm Smoothbore Cannon
Secondary:
• Co-Axial PKT 7.62mm Machine Gun
• SARP NSV Remotely Controlled Weapon Station Mounted NSV 12.7mm Heavy Machine-Gun
Mobility
Engine: Argun V-84-1 Diesel Engine, 840 Horsepower
Transmission: Synchromesh Hydraulically Assisted, 7 Forward, 1 Reverse
Suspension: Torsion Bar
Top Speed: 60 km/h
Horsepower-Per-Ton: Around 18.75 (Likely a Little Less)
Protection
Armor: ROKETSAN BADGER Armor Package
• Reactive Armor
• Slat Armor
Smoke Grenades: 8x
Active/Passive Protection System: None
Accessories
Night Sight
Thermal Sight
Laser Range Finder
Estimated Battle Rating: 10.3
Premium Section
T-72 Shygys
Brief Specification
Armament
Main: 2A46 125mm Smoothbore Cannon
Secondary:
• Co-Axial PKT 7.62mm Machine Gun
• SARP NSV Remotely Controlled Weapon Station Mounted NSV 12.7mm Heavy Machine-Gun
Mobility
Engine: Argun V-84-1 Diesel Engine, 840 Horsepower
Transmission: Synchromesh Hydraulically Assisted, 7 Forward, 1 Reverse
Suspension: Torsion Bar
Top Speed: 60 km/h
Horsepower-Per-Ton: Around 18.75 (Likely a Little Less)
Protection
Hull Armor: ROKETSAN BADGER Armor Package
• Reactive Armor
• Slat Armor
Turret Armor: 8x
Smoke Grenades:
Active/Passive Protection System:
Accessories
Night Sight
Thermal Sight
Laser Range Finder
Estimated Battle Rating: 10.3
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But it wouldn’t go in line with what Gaijin has been doing in the past, just because it has a upgrade package from a certain nation doesn’t particularly mean it belongs in that tree. There’s plenty of examples of this, but I get your stance.
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I would like to add additional info in regards to the Azeri JF-17’s
They are going to use Turkish (maybe Pakistani and Israeli) weapons instead of Chinese ones such as the Bozdoğan and Gökdoğan AAM for example
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Flyexz
October 26, 2024, 4:50pm
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New dağhan tracked vehicle with a 120mm gun/mortar
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Flyexz
October 26, 2024, 9:37pm
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the 120mm tank HE has like 4.2kg explosive so it will probably have around 39-40mm pen ingame i dont have any info for the HE filler of the mortar shell
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MOD 300 indeed has 4.2kg of explosive filler, MOD 308 on there other hand though has only 2.85kg of explosive filler. MOD 300 also offers superior ballistics as it is an conventional cannon round while MOD 308 is a mortar round. It is an interesting concept to fire both cannon and mortar rounds from the same cannon. In theory Mortar-Gun could use conventional HEAT rounds such as MOD 310 HEAT-MP.
In-game MOD 308 could be the standard round while MOD 300 as researchable option, even maybe proximity fused MOD 300 could be added to its arsenal.
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Hello everyone.
I want to ask.
After Sabra mkII (aka M60T)
Turkey has not received update Sabra mk.III?
And Instead of it they make M60TM?
M60TM isnt Sabra mk.III?
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The Sabra Mk.2 and M60T are 2 different vehicles entirely with loads of differences.
The Sabra Mk.3 was created around the same time as the Mk.2, it was likely an alternate option to be chosen if the Mk.2 wasn’t enough. However it appears the Mk.2 was chosen over the Mk.3.
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Hmmm. I saw a lot source says that it is same.
So… If not, What is the connection between them?
And does Turks really buy 170 Sabra mkII?
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The Sabra Mk.2 and M60T feature a number of differences, namely the M60T uses the hella old M60 commander cupola with the .50 cal, while also removing the extra roof armor the Sabra Mk.2 adds. There’s some other changes on top of that, just can’t remember them off the top of my head.
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The dates of their existence? Adoption into service?
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M60T/Sabra Mk.II
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Background
Sabra is an extensive modernisation package for M60A1/A3 main battle tanks developed and offered by Israeli firm IMI between 2002-2005. Project initially started as further development of Magach 7C. Sabra modernisation increases tanks overall capabilities, this includes firepower, with IMI MG253 120mm L/44 and KNIGHT III fire control system, mobility, with Continental AVDS-1790-5A 908 horsepower diesel engine for Mk.I, MTU MT 881 KA-5011000 horsepow…
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M60T
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Background
M60T Main Battle Tank is extensively modernised M60A1, currently in active service Turkish Armed Forces. Modernisation package developed by Israeli firm IMI and upgrade undertaken by 2nd Main Maintenance Center Command in Turkey between 2007-2009 with IMI supplied kits. Total of 170 M60A1 were upgraded to Sabra Mark II standards and accepted in service as M60T. M60T made its combat debut Fırat Kalkanı Harekâtı (Operation Euphrates Shield) in 2016. Altho…
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M60TM
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Background
M60T Main Battle Tank is extensively modernised M60A1, currently in active service Turkish Armed Forces. Modernisation package developed by Israeli firm IMI and upgrade undertaken by 2nd Main Maintenance Center Command in Turkey between 2007-2009 with IMI supplied kits. Total of 170 M60A1 were upgraded to Sabra Mark II standards and accepted in service as M60T. M60T made its combat debut Fırat Kalkanı Harekâtı (Operation Euphrates Shield) in 2016. Although…
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M60TM (VOLKAN-M)
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Background
M60TM Main Battle Tank is further modernization of M60T which itself is extensive modernization of M60A1. After Fırat Kalkanı Harekâtı (Operation Euphrates Shield), M60T’s shortcomings becomes apparent, in 2017 The Fırat Modernisation Project was initiated with the experiences gained from Fırat Kalkanı Harekâtı (Operation Euphrates Shield) to fix those shortcomings and enhance the overall survivability and lethality of M60T. During operations approxim…
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Sabra
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Background
Sabra Main Battle Tank is an extensive modernization of M60A1/A3 developed by Israeli firm IMI between 2002-2005 and initially started as further development of Magach 7C. It offers new 120mm gun, improved armor protection (Steel Laminate for Mk I, ERA for Mk II & III), newer engine (for Mk II and Mk III), new FCS and improved turret traverse system. Three versions of this modernization have been developed as: Mk I, Mk II and Mk III, Mk II being adopted by Turk…
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Sabra
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Background
Sabra Main Battle Tank is an extensive modernization of M60A1/A3 developed by Israeli firm IMI between 2002-2005 and initially started as further development of Magach 7C. It offers new 120mm gun, improved armor protection (Steel Laminate for Mk I, ERA for Mk II & III), newer engine (for Mk II and Mk III), new FCS and improved turret traverse system. Three versions of this modernization have been developed as: Mk I, Mk II and Mk III, Mk II being adopted by Turk…
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Sabra
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Background
Sabra Main Battle Tank is an extensive modernization of M60A1/A3 developed by Israeli firm IMI between 2002-2005 and initially started as further development of Magach 7C. It offers new 120mm gun, improved armor protection (Steel Laminate for Mk I, ERA for Mk II & III), newer engine (for Mk II and Mk III), new FCS and improved turret traverse system. Three versions of this modernization have been developed as: Mk I, Mk II and Mk III, Mk II being adopted by Turk…
You can read more about them and their variants here:
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No, we did not go for any Sabra Mk. 3 based modernization package.
Correct, based on the experience from Operation Euphrates Shield.
No, it is M60T (based on Sabra Mk.2 but has few changes) modernized with Turkish efforts.
No, we purchased around 170 modernization kits, our existing M60A1 fleet was modernized.
Sabra Mk.2 was presented to us in 2002, and after their tests were complete and beated the 120S, they were purchased in 2005 with few changes and labeled as M60T, and first deliveries began in 2007.
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I am very grateful to you
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PARS Alpha 8x8 can offer the highest ballistic protection in its class with its standard equipment.
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The JF-17 is a good Addition as a Premium-Pack.
Pakistan-China co-produced JF-17 “Thunder” Block 3 warplanes belonging to the Azerbaijani Air Force will be equipped with Gökdoğan BVRAAM and Bozdoğan WVRAAM air-to-air missiles produced by the Turkish defense industry. Long-range air-to-air missile Gökdoğan BVRAAM was developed by the Turkish company TÜBİTAK-SAGE to compete with the long-range air-to-air missile AIM-120 AMRAAM produced by the USA. -DSA
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+1, would be a great Israeli subtree!
No, rather an independent tree