As someone who genuinely plays top tier strike aircraft like the Tornado Gr1 (and i dont play it due to any form of farming or grinding, I play it purely for fun/ Britain has nothing better at the moment) then this could be extremely unfair on anyone like myself who wants to attack these targets.
This though, I would agree on, Pure A2A jets like the Tornado F3 are extremely hard to break even on and part of the reason why I dont play it.
This though could be easily addressed. Some form of cap, so that you could only score points from damaging an airfield so much in a given time frame. Exceed that cap, and you earn nothing until you perform other actions. Would at least eliminate the bots. You could probably also create a system that auto-reports players with certain criteria, like high AF damage and large numbers of suicides or killed by AF deaths.
I would also add that also enemy plane kills while enemy plane is on ground should not give any score points - as botting mutlikills are also a “solution” to farm events on simulator EC.
Ah, fair, though even then, being able to dump a bomb load on the AF if no other targets are available is incredibly handy. Not too mention the whole Module AF thing is designed to make AFs a legitamate target. Just needs to have some form of cap to deal with the botters.
Nobody really organizes these, and technically it is just a mutual agreement from both sides of the players (or at least the majority of the players) within that PvE lobby. Punishment may be imposed only if they intentionally team kill or grief other players (at least, this is how I understand it; do not quote me on this). I do not believe that a group of players opting to do predominantly PvE content in a lobby is punishable, but as mentioned by @Schindibee they do not have the right to force others who desire PvP to do only PvE too.
Furthermore, as far as I am aware, the issue about PvE lobbies is limited to the SA server and does not really affect the NA, EU, or CIS servers. During the event, I spent the majority of my time on the NA and EU servers playing air sim PvP with no issues at all.
I do not see any problem with this as long as players on both sides opt to focus on PvE willingly rather than being forced to do so. The air sim is a PvP mode with PvE elements, but there is nothing wrong with somehow every player in that lobby just happens to decide to fight some AI units instead. However, if some people enter the battle doing PvP and others force that player into PvE, here is where the issue arises (at least this is how I see it and do not quote me on this).
It is similar to how some players opt not to shoot down enemy nuke bombers during GRB matches, or how some players with stronger vehicles intentionally avoid killing a weaker enemy by actively forgoing hostilities and avoiding pursuing that particular enemy player. Are those players also a concern from your perspective?
Agreed. The only difference between both sides doing mostly if not entirely PvE and a “PvE lobby” is when someone says something in chat. The former is not against the rules and the latter whilst technically being against the ToS is not all that bad. The moment though someone uses peer-pressure, threats, TKs or similar to force someone to engage in a PvE lobby then that is where something is very bad and a problem.
If I join a random match, in a Tornado Gr1, looking to exclusively bomb bases and avoid PvP through various tactics and someone happens to say “its a PvE lobby” even if I dont say anything but just continue to do what I was going to do before I joined. Am I now violating the ToS?
Whilst “PvE” lobbies are certainly a grey area. The biggest problem is people violating other areas of the ToS like being abusive or TK’ing to “enfore” it
As you say, if I just “do my job” and bomb their bases, and don’t engage whatever enemy I spot on my way there, that’s perfectly fine. My job is to kill that base, and succeed to get home again to fly out again and bring the fight to the enemy in the method most suitable for my aircraft type.
If the other bomber, coming my way, is doing the same, fine! We both may continue onwards, happy we both came through without having to dogfight…
I wouldn’t even consider this PVE, but just a good tactic to survive.
But fine also, if the other guy tries to knock me out, or is actively hunting for me! Tornados got 9Limas, and it’s ok to use them if the situation arises.
Yep, generally the only other planes I encounter are those also performing CAS and sometimes I let them go as sometimes its not worth it, but others because I feel a shred of sympathy for them. Though if I come up behind a Su-39 or something that has drifted into my gun sight without any effort, then they are just asking for it.
But there are a few on here that still believe that kind of passive (none-PvP) behaviour should be punished, and that simply is not the case.
Like, we can’t just join a random match and call on people to not kill the cappers, and merely have someone go back and forth off the cap, with an enemy coordinating to let us ‘farm’ points…
I really feel it breaches 3.2.4. No circumventing or manipulating use
The issue there is that I have seen these users, post about group chats that do organize them, and most often if you ruin their farming then they will TK you and leak your location to the enemy, if it is known that these users do this kind of stuff why are SA servers not more policed.
And a whole lobby agreeing to only PVE ruins the economy for the normal sim players because it lopsidedly affects the economy statistics that gaijin loves so much
It’s mainly a gamedesign problem.
When people get rewarded for pve stuff while getting almost nothing for risky and expensive PvP fights that’s the natural way things will evolve.
You can’t force people to fight each other when it’s way more lucrative to just ignore each other.
But PVE lobbies are fun to crash.
Had one in my Me-262-A1 today and the fireballs where glorious 😂
I think there is more to it than that. Yes PvP content could be improved withwise of economy and naturally PvE is “Safer” (depending on how they’ve decided to tune the SPAA for that given week) but I think there is more to it than that.
Whilst a large chunk do likely engage in PvE purely for economy reasons, there are those, myself included, that perform PvE actions because they want to do it. For me, I find great fun in Flying a Tornado Gr1 at ultra low level, using tactics used IRL. Generally avoiding the fight. On a wider note. Britain basically has no top tier PvP able jet. We are almost exclusively limited to PvE in SB. If we ever get anything better, i’ll be stuck into PvP as much as anyone, but for now, its either the Harrier Gr7 or Tornado Gr1 usually, both A2G jets primarily.
I totally understand that.
I also like to fly 1-2 bombing runs in between on treetop level, using the terrain to avoid detection and then “deliver the payload”.
It’s fun, but it becomes useless and boring a.f. when you know it’s a PVE game. Then it’s just a postman’s job and feels like work while you fly in a straight line.
Prehaps. Though there is nothing against the rules in doing that, nor against the rules if both teams do that exclusively. Only becomes a grey area when someone says in all chat “PvE lobby?”
But I fear them dealing with “PvE lobbies” by just nerfing PvE through the floor. Leaving myself and anyone else unfortunate to be playing weak PvP nations currently. Without anything to do or anywhere to go. Even worse if you do enjoy doing PvE in SB.
Zombers should be dealt with. Those that are abusive or TK should be dealt with. But I fear some in this thread want to see PvE removed from SB and that would be very bad
