I’ve never run into this - I’ve run into people who request PvE (and don’t get it) and that’s about it…
I have seen bombers bombing and bailing after they dump their bombs (not sure how the math works there) and I’ve seen MF’ers circling around on the runway but not recently.
I think I’ve seen arguments about PvE in the chat but I rarely look through all that when i’m in VR flying in Sim. I agree that would be problematic I just don’t see it ever happening.
Any PvE game I’ve been in has been turned into a PvP mode within 30 minutes of starting. You’d need a whole crew of 11 to 12 players, per side, to enforce a PvP game “negotiated”. And at that point you’re just playing against your own team of points rather than the other team.
Yep, that’s my experience. The worst part is when people get angry at you for playing PvP, but there is nothing they can do against it and often they just quit. So the only annoying result is a really quiet lobby
No, but those who you refer to are those who call for PvE to be observed and TK anyone who doesn’t follow thier ‘rules’.
They request it, and more establish it as being the thing, so then everyone plays passively and avoids actual conflict.
I can highlight matches where there’s 10 people on one side, and 2 on the other. You don’t need the numbers you are mentioning to make a lobby ‘passive’.
If it were 10 to 2 and I didn’t have a wager which involved kills I would offer to go PvE until the teams evened out (if I were on the side with 10 anyway).
I’m not denying it’s ever happened, I’m denying it’s a “constant problem” in need of any more “solutions” (like useful actions).
No… Seriously… There was a guy running a couple of bots on his consoles, and playing on his PC account, and was reliably running these lobbies, and peopel knew he was doing it so they’d join the side he was on to continue it…
Nope… Hard disagree… You were even in the thread where I pointed out this as being a problem because it even transpires to the battlepasses, so it’s not just the events anymore.
I play this game to try to have fun, no other game compares to it’s simplicity and content, having PvP forced down your throat is not fun, and gaijin’s “PvE” modes are half-assed and just another way to push people into PvP.
I read the old post and, OMG, after two Game Masters told you that exclusively PvE is not against TOS one year ago, you are still concerning about this “problem”.
I try to summarize that your point is: some players know a PvE lobby and they join to do PvE. They should be penalized.
Now my point: Are PvE lobbies wrong? (Here I mean a lobby that everyone SILENTLY doing PvE, no tk/talking about PvE in chat/telling position to enemy) They are definitely not wrong at all. Imagine a bunch of players who got tired and only want to do bombing. They just fly straightly to bases or airfields. How should this be considered botting/farming?
Your another point: PvE lobbies are very different from normal lobbies, for example players wont react even if the enemy is in close range.
This point is a bit ridiculous. Why should the player react if he find the enemies NOT going to attack him? In air RB I’ve seen two attackers in different teams rushing towards the base and didn’t react to each other even the distance between them is smaller than 1km. So you think that this kind of gameplay is illegal and a player must “do something” if he find an enemy in range?
You try to draw analogy between PvE lobbies and “two players capping the point in turn in GRB”. These two are very different. The “capping point” gameplay is very rare and strange in Ground RB. Everyone in both team will find something wrong if this happen. In contrast, PvE (bombing bases/ground attacking) occurs in nearly every AB battle. Just consider the amount of bombers and attackers rushing to get a base each game.
Anyways if you don’t like those lobbies, you can get in yourself, hunt the bombers and they will either be killed by you or do something to defense themselves. Some guys will get rage in chat, start TK and they get reported by you. Now that you don’t even play high tier Sim (at least 1 year ago). What you are doing now is interpreting legal ways of gameplay as prohibited ones.
There is a difference between coincidence and collusion.
It is not against the ToS to drop bombs on bases
It is not against the ToS to drop bombs on bases whilst employing tactics like terrain masking and smart routing to totally avoid the enemy team
It is not against the ToS to drop bombs on bases whilst employing tactics like terrain masking and smart routing to totally avoid the enemy team in a lobby full of people who happen to be doing the same.
Asking for a PvE only lobby is technically against ToS but can be a grey area if everyone just ignores them and continues doing what they were doing before, including those items above. In that instance, only those explicitly that opt in should be punished (and even then, if all they’ve done is say, “whatever, already just bombing”, its not really all that bad) and everyone who just ignored them and continued doing what they were doing before should never be punished.
On a side note. There is also something called chivalry. From time to time, i’ve let someone go instead of getting a PvP kill because i’ve felt kinda bad for a guy. Like a stock Su-25 struggling to get far in a proper intense, full-uptier PvP match whilst I was flying a Tornado F3 or the Su-25 that I had inadvertly practically spawn-killed 2x in a Tornado Gr1 just because the bases I was bombing were near the AF. Chivalry is also not against the ToS
Enforcing a PvE only lobby through the use of TKs, Insults, Threats, reports, etc is 100% against the ToS and they deserve everything thrown at them.
Everyone agrees that “asking for PvE lobby” is against the rule.
“Pure PvE lobby”, which everyone silently do PvE without planning PvE in global chat, is not. (Confirmed by Game Master in the comment 23) Some guys like FlyingDocter think some of “Pure PvE lobbies” is against the rule. Now we are talking about this kind of lobby.
Why do you ask this? If the bombers play well, they won’t die. If they play bad, you get a free kill. If they rage and tell you this is PvE room, they violate the rule.
