As if this isn’t an issue already if I don’t happen to have that top plane yet? It’s not fun gameplay fighting F-14Bs and F-16Cs in my MiG-23MF.
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yes, I understand of course. but I’m also forced to fly almost only nation sets that I don’t want. There will probably be no return to SP. But there were also advantages. for example, SP was quickly earned, it was a motivation and the ace didn’t just fly the OP plane all the time.
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Not only is the top plane not being flown all the time, but it also means that only a few are active at a time at most, compared to the current system where the entire enemy team is in F-14Bs and F-16Cs and the opposing team has basically just left because they’re getting curb stomped by objectively better planes.
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This was a feature back in the day, but it was abused. Players in a match for longer than 15 minutes would bully all the people not able to spawn in their own top dogs.
We are better off without SP these days.
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I liked some things about the SP system (like having a purpose for lineups), but where it failed hard, was when you want to work on a vehicle on the high end of the bracket. Nothing was more frustrating than finally getting the SP to unlock your vehicle, then some tryhard kills you at your airfield before you get to research any modules.
I enjoy the current brackets tons more than the SP system. It allows every vehicle a chance to be top tier in their bracket. More vehicles get a chance to be the meta, and otherwise useless vehicles become useful when they are the top of the bracket.
Also, the brackets allow players to actually use their boosters on their plane of choice. We didn’t have that freedom with the SP system.
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abuse? what?? the people have earned their SP and used the airplanes! today zombers can “zomb with bomb” without restriction. and today aces from the top 100 list can use their OP aircraft permanently without restriction. SP has ensured reasonable “regulation” of the battles. SP had disadvantages but also advantages. this has nothing to do with abuse.
yes, it had pros and cons
Forgot to mention. I also believe a reversal back to the SP system would be detrimental to the Sim community. There would be a lot of backlash and the community would shrink.
Mig-21SMT/MF/Bis, F-104S, Sea Harrier, F-8E, Mitsubishi F-1, J-7, Mirage F-1, Mirage 3, Viggen; radar on, kill the zombers.
yes, you’re right. but I had already described that above. “that would be a very radical measure now!” but it probably won’t happen. Gaijin himself really wanted to get rid of the SP. regardless of whether we thought it was good or bad.
the long period between the SP deactivation and the introduction of the rotation was the worst time in EC Sim. I think we had the biggest loss of players at that time. the main reason was of course usefull action. but the deactivation of SP also had a very negative effect before the rotation come.
there has been no replacement for the SP system to date! there were only rough emergency measures. the rotation was intended as an emergency measure to improve the bad situation after the SP deactivation. there is no replacement for the SP system. Gaijin never thought about a successor system. the official posts from 2021 show that these were only “early” [cough] ad hoc measures. what the real successor system should be was never announced.
people really believe that what we have now is the “goal” - No! we are still in the middle of the “repair phase” to repair the damage from summer 2021!
it only took them 2 weeks to ruin the mode back then (since the introduction of usefull action). without naming all the measures now. Gaijin have not managed to repair this damage in more than 2 years!
I´m ok I’m fine. I’m just upset about gaijin right now hahahah
I hope you know the difference between bombers and zombes. have fun.
I would like to briefly explain what I meant above in case I have expressed myself wong. I think I have written enough for today :)
in German Army we have a word called “Behelfslösung” or “Behelfsloesung”. this describes exactly what the rotation is in EC Sim. the rotation is not a replacement for the old SP system but only a “Behelfsloesung”. :D
the german army ran out of fuel for the trucks in 1945. so bicycles were used as a “Behelfslösung”. the current german air force had no replacement for the Panavia Tornados for a long time. so the Tornados had to fly as a “Behelfslösung” until they fell apart. now the replacement is finally coming.
Gaijin still owes us an answer as to what kind of “SP replacement” is finally coming!
So good night
Hey so we already have a thread for this.
Im pretty sure that we all agreed that its entierly pointless because no one at Gajijn reads this forum. So youre just preaching to choir.
I believe devs definitely read the forums. Our main issue is that they have to listen to what the majority of the community wants, and currently some tank player complaining about penetration of his shell get’s 10x more views and interaction than any sim thread does, because ground / rb player base vastly outnumber us.
Well you also have to take into account that what we say could be wrong.
The forums are a minority of the players, and dissenting opinions are less common than supporting opinions of the game & its modes.
If you disagree with something you’re more likely to make a statement than if you agree with something.
Like what works for simulator right now: Battle line, air captures, segmented runway damage zones, rotating BR brackets.
Less people will say that than will say opposing opinions even if most players agree with what I just typed.
Also @Lieutenant_Camel, we’re going in circles, I’ve already made and proved my point multiple times you know where I stand
@Schindibee Totally agree.
Then fly your Mig23MF during the 4 days 11.0 is fully downtiered.
I love the BR bracket rotation system, allows for diversity as every 2 days you get different BR’s to fly fully downtiered, every plane gets its days. I much prefer that over the SP system or the shitty matchmaker of RB where some BR’s always get’s up tiers, while others never do… that being said 11.0-11.3 is a freak case… Currently 11.0-11.3 really suffers because the BR isn’t high enough to fit a new bracket for top tier, so until we get 12.7 or 13.0 in the game, 11.0 but mostly 11.3 will continue suffering. There’s not a lot you can do about it without creating a mini bracket which would screw over other BR’s. And 11.7-12.3 jets being VASTLY better than 11.3 jets is more an issue of bad game design / BR compression than an issue of the matchmaker. Every other bracket has a range of 1.0 BR
We should be thankful We don’t have a matchmaker like RB where jets at 11.0-11.3 get’s full up tiers to 12.0-12.3 like 90% of their games…
Bit late to the game here but my 2 cents.
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Make the last un-killed aircraft spawn free. I.E. If you are still flying jet/plane X at the end of EC, you get a refund for it’s Spawn cost.
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Reduce SPAA accuracy to an actually MEANINGFUL amount when dealing with non-Airfield AA (keep the Airfield AA a legit threat due to Spawn-camp clowns). The SPAA is still overly powerful when ‘defending’ enemy tanks/etc, to the point you really can’t do anything unless you have ATGM to snipe them out first.
BR10.7-11.3 is a weird place.
As an aside: Do something with the Japanese F-4E (both the tree and prem version): Agile Eagle upgrade, bigger bombs, better Aim7s, something.
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I ahve thread for PvE related imrpovements for SB as well. So feel free to take some of the ideas from that:
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We have two rotations where the MF ist top-dog at EC8 with its 11.0 BR. So you can chose when to fly it.
I understand it however for 11.3 (just one rotation at EC8) its a bit worse, and obviously 11.7 only sees EC9 exclusively and suffers accordingly…
this is the first time I have to agree with you. hurray.
the many EC players who have played EC for years and who haven’t played since the introduction of usefull action are missing here. if you haven’t played for 2 weeks, you can’t write here. there are only people left here who somehow accept a badly programmed, half-finished, loveless mode. (including me = self-criticism).
the voices and opinions of the old hares with years of sim experience are missing. maybe the opinion picture here would shift completely?!