To an ADV Late like with the F.3 Late. Will suffer at 13.0 against the Su-30 slop horde but at least it’ll be there.
holy, just say you dont know how to play the f-2 brotato chip. Suggesting a BR decrease because you personally struggle with the platform is not enough ngl. The fact it has an AESA radar, high maneuverability, IRCCM 40G missiles and more sparrows than other F16 platforms at the BR. I dont want to say your bad or anything but it kinda looks like a skill issue tbh. idk maybe you can change my mind.
What
I think it’s because F-16AJ is essentially the best of the early F-16s since it has Sparrow capability like the ADF, but using the slightly lighter Block 10 airframe. He also doesn’t like this specifically because the F-16AJ was called an “exception” by Gaijin when people pointed out to them that what they thought was a prototype for it was unrelated. Since it was never built in any capacity, the aircraft usually wouldn’t have been added at all.
I wouldn’t say that’s relevant to game balancing, but to each their own.
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The MLU also had more countermeasures and eventually got TWS, while the others didn’t. At just 30kg over the ADF FM (because of the parachute which is also nice)
The AJ has the block10 FM but I don’t think it was a big issue, and certantly didn’t warrant it to be higher BR than the ADF.
The only issue I can agree with is that it is a fake plane, but that doesn’t concern balancing
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multipath isn’t meta.
you’re a dogfighter with mid SARHs and amazing IRs.
you can use this thing called an airbreak
F-2 has great flight performance for air rb. It’s just not insanely fast.
F-2 is better than multiple 13.0s, one of the top 3 13.0 aircraft.
it going down to 12.7 will:
- be more compression, which is bad for the game
- make it the best 12.7 aircraft, completely dominating against everything there. It should not go down
simply compare the F-2 to literally every other 12.7 aircraft.
F-15A: it has the better radar, better missile kit (equal missile to to the F-15J), superior fm albeit slower all for slightly less countermeasures (120 is absolutely fine) and a little less gun ammo (you have a vulcan, that amount of gun ammo is plenty)
MiG-29: Superior radar, better missile kit (4x AIM-7s are superior to just 2x R-27ERs in 16v16 scenarios. Not to mention it’s just two missiles that are good), vastly superior fm in almost every aspect besides top speed
Every 12.7 F-16: Better radar, better missile kit, better fm, better cm counts
F-18C Early: literally everything is better besides button, gun placement (completely negligible point) and SARH kit
Go learn how to play your aircraft properly instead of bombing maybe
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Rage bait master
There is literally no 11.7 in the game outside of 23ml so you never get those 12.7 top matches. 80% of matches are 13.3-13.7
The su30, su30mk, f2a, ja37d1, 13.0 and 13.3 event and unique planes (kfir c10, jf-17, fakour90 spammer etc) guarantee you are up-tiered nearly every game. The only people playing 12.0 are F4S they are outnumbered 10:1 by 13.3 players. Because of the rule of 4 topBR and so many 12.7 premiums as well (f-18c) 12.7 can very rarely be the top in the mm.
A F4S has the exact same weapon systems as a F15 where it matters and in War Thunder which is a point and click simulator most of the time, at both high alts & mid alts they will basically be equal at jousting. This scenario is completely different with f15a uptiers, because fox3 means people can multi attack or notch and attack at same time, find you with aesa/tws instantly etc.
It’s basically a 1:1 parallel with ground battles at 8.0 ish. One moment everyone you fight has no stabilizer, next minute everyone has stabilizer but you – a huge change of gameplay.
Tornado cant carry bombs or rockets. So it never goes for bases. F4J and F4S has tons of base bombers. The only people who play F3 are the ones who actually want to fly around and fight enemies.
uhh, what?
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You still have to compare apples to apples. F-15 will see downtiers and will curb stomp 11.7-12.7 jets all the same regardless of it also getting uptiered a lot.
Go play 11.7-12.3 and find out this is nonsense. You will see F-15s.
F-4S isn’t an F-15. It does not have the same flight performance. It does not have the same radar or RWR. It does not have AIM-9Ms or AAM-3
No. F-15 wins every time by large margins due to flight performance/radar.
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You missed one of his all time classics:
Oh god
Time to update the meme
What what? Are u implying that aim7f vs aim7m jousting is massively different between the vehicles? With that little speed difference?
Are u implying that aim9m’s mean that much in regular air rb where 90% of kills are fox 1 or fox 3 at that tier? You need full down-tier for it even come close to fox 2 50%.
What are you writing Dr Jones???
What 11.7 exactly, the 1 battle out of 100? Maybe 1 out of 1000 now that Tornados are 11.3 so no andys there anymore.
And as I explained it is not a curb stomp. Are you implying an F15A flying 1400kph with Aim7m is 100x better than F4S flying 1350kph using aim7f with hmd? Or are u only thinking of a 1v1 duel at the end of a match
Even if you get a full downtier, everyone is flying on the deck anyway because their radars suck, fox 1 is much easier to avoid and mp than fox 3.
I do and it is garbage non-existent. I play every single faction in this game in fact.
The Radar/RWR is inconsequential and basically the same gameplay. What do you expect from a 2 bracket difference (0.7), no changes at all?
The F15A/F15J situation is impossible to fix because there are no 12.8/12.9 etc.
it’s not even just speed difference that matters, it’s also radar and everything else regarding airframe performance that matters. All things that the F-15A is better at
Yes, they do
Especially for top-downing targets that are multipathing
What differences do you actually care about on the radar. Any range increase is useless. The hor+ is the same deg and probably scans faster on F4S at the cost of ver+ deg . ACM is the same and F4S has HMS to avoid the entire cyclic/manual control mini-game entirely. Like what are u expecting here on the F15A? AESA? TWS? Iron-Dome capability with DL? It has 5 deg more vert control for finding people…
You not getting downtiers does not mean ANYBODY isn’t, and I assure you that if you go play 11.7-12.3 you will meet plenty of F-15s that fully outclass you in every way.
F-15 is faster, it accelerates better, it turns better, it has a stronger radar, it has more countermeasures. Combine all this and the F-15’s missile will quite literally reach you first in all scenarios if the F-15 isn’t playing like a terrible player.
And so it becomes exceptionally easy for you to hit them with the AIM-9M from side and top aspect.
I do and I see them plenty.
Same here.
Hard disagree.
To not have a jet that is unbeatable in comparison.
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A 2 bracket difference should be going from a phantom with a basic PD radar to one with an advanced one, while also having better IR missiles. 2 buffs=0.7 higher.
And not F-4S to F-15A, or F-15A to Su-30mkk.
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