There is literally no 11.7 in the game outside of 23ml so you never get those 12.7 top matches. 80% of matches are 13.3-13.7
The su30, su30mk, f2a, ja37d1, 13.0 and 13.3 event and unique planes (kfir c10, jf-17, fakour90 spammer etc) guarantee you are up-tiered nearly every game. The only people playing 12.0 are F4S they are outnumbered 10:1 by 13.3 players. Because of the rule of 4 topBR and so many 12.7 premiums as well (f-18c) 12.7 can very rarely be the top in the mm.
A F4S has the exact same weapon systems as a F15 where it matters and in War Thunder which is a point and click simulator most of the time, at both high alts & mid alts they will basically be equal at jousting. This scenario is completely different with f15a uptiers, because fox3 means people can multi attack or notch and attack at same time, find you with aesa/tws instantly etc.
It’s basically a 1:1 parallel with ground battles at 8.0 ish. One moment everyone you fight has no stabilizer, next minute everyone has stabilizer but you – a huge change of gameplay.
Tornado cant carry bombs or rockets. So it never goes for bases. F4J and F4S has tons of base bombers. The only people who play F3 are the ones who actually want to fly around and fight enemies.
uhh, what?
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You still have to compare apples to apples. F-15 will see downtiers and will curb stomp 11.7-12.7 jets all the same regardless of it also getting uptiered a lot.
Go play 11.7-12.3 and find out this is nonsense. You will see F-15s.
F-4S isn’t an F-15. It does not have the same flight performance. It does not have the same radar or RWR. It does not have AIM-9Ms or AAM-3
No. F-15 wins every time by large margins due to flight performance/radar.
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You missed one of his all time classics:
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What what? Are u implying that aim7f vs aim7m jousting is massively different between the vehicles? With that little speed difference?
Are u implying that aim9m’s mean that much in regular air rb where 90% of kills are fox 1 or fox 3 at that tier? You need full down-tier for it even come close to fox 2 50%.
What are you writing Dr Jones???
What 11.7 exactly, the 1 battle out of 100? Maybe 1 out of 1000 now that Tornados are 11.3 so no andys there anymore.
And as I explained it is not a curb stomp. Are you implying an F15A flying 1400kph with Aim7m is 100x better than F4S flying 1350kph using aim7f with hmd? Or are u only thinking of a 1v1 duel at the end of a match
Even if you get a full downtier, everyone is flying on the deck anyway because their radars suck, fox 1 is much easier to avoid and mp than fox 3.
I do and it is garbage non-existent. I play every single faction in this game in fact.
The Radar/RWR is inconsequential and basically the same gameplay. What do you expect from a 2 bracket difference (0.7), no changes at all?
The F15A/F15J situation is impossible to fix because there are no 12.8/12.9 etc.
it’s not even just speed difference that matters, it’s also radar and everything else regarding airframe performance that matters. All things that the F-15A is better at
Yes, they do
Especially for top-downing targets that are multipathing
What differences do you actually care about on the radar. Any range increase is useless. The hor+ is the same deg and probably scans faster on F4S at the cost of ver+ deg . ACM is the same and F4S has HMS to avoid the entire cyclic/manual control mini-game entirely. Like what are u expecting here on the F15A? AESA? TWS? Iron-Dome capability with DL? It has 5 deg more vert control for finding people…
You not getting downtiers does not mean ANYBODY isn’t, and I assure you that if you go play 11.7-12.3 you will meet plenty of F-15s that fully outclass you in every way.
F-15 is faster, it accelerates better, it turns better, it has a stronger radar, it has more countermeasures. Combine all this and the F-15’s missile will quite literally reach you first in all scenarios if the F-15 isn’t playing like a terrible player.
And so it becomes exceptionally easy for you to hit them with the AIM-9M from side and top aspect.
I do and I see them plenty.
Same here.
Hard disagree.
To not have a jet that is unbeatable in comparison.
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A 2 bracket difference should be going from a phantom with a basic PD radar to one with an advanced one, while also having better IR missiles. 2 buffs=0.7 higher.
And not F-4S to F-15A, or F-15A to Su-30mkk.
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why do you want to change the br from 13.3 back to 12.7?
To me 13.3 is the best br in the game, like 70 percent of my games are at least partial down tiers which is amazing.
While 12.7 is horrid due to constant uptiers. Might as well be in the 13.3 plane instead of the 12.7 one in those matches
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Please Gaijin just make an F-16 ADF (early) and (late) foldered. Could be so simple.
I really want the F-16 with Sparrows just to fly in SIM. Now I have to grind all the way through the Japanese tree for the F-16AJ as that’s the only one that has this
You’d be sitting at 13.0 in sim.
Enjoy
I know. It’s going to be tough. Like a worse F-2 ADTW. On the other hand the F-16 flight model is GOAT. 12.7 would be too low for this, 13.0 be too high. Compression…
12.7 would be perfectly fine for the F-16AJ in sim.
It should absolutely not be at 13.0.
F-16AJ and 13.0 MiG-29s should go down to 12.7 in sim.
They’re nowhere near powerful enough at 13.0 but will be balanced at 12.7
My dream would be 9M + 7M @ 13.0. That might be balanced, or maybe too good (like F-2 ADTW with AAM3 + 7M, but still AAM3 > 9M, and the F-16 only has 6 missiles in total vs 8 for the F-2, so it’s possible).
I’ve NEVER understood why we get AMRAAM’s + 9L on an F-16. 9M was developed in the Early/Mid 1980’s. AMRAAM in the Early/Mid 1990’s… We should get 9M’s before AMRAAMS, but for some reason the ADF has AMRAAM + 9L? And we get the French F-16A OCU has 9M + Magic 2 at 12.7? And then the Dutch Event F-16A with only 9L and a non-TWS radar (which is so, so much worse) also at 12.7?!? It’s so weird.
First of all the F-16’s with just 9L’s and a not-TWS radar could be moved down to 12.3 in SIM.
Same for the Mig-29 btw. Why it has R-27ER but not R-73? It’s also so weird. The Mig-29 should get R-73 as the whole jet was basically developed around that missile (R-73 was like the signature thing for the Mig-29, not the BVR R-27ER). What does Gaijin have against IRCCM missiles?!? Give a Mig-29 with R-73+R27(non-ER), and an F-16 with Aim-9M + 7M. That would be so much fun to fight against each other. (with the flight model that also should be improved for the Mig-29 man). Push each other using your shitty SARH missiles, and try to get in range for the IRCCM shot.
I don’t think you really understand what is being written here. 11.7 has almost no planes in existence. There’s the MiG-23 and…
And as you know, aim7m will never hit if enemy moves at all at long range, so all this aim7m benefit is whatever. Most battles it is whoever sees who first and the radar is barely better for finding people. Many would write the HMS is infinitely better than ACM too, so locking where it matters to fire first.
Yes and you are vulnerable to fox 1 while they are immune, it is a trade off.
Exactly what I’ve been writing lol.
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So you agree even more so that the F-15 wins here… what is an F-4S going to do in a dogfight
Not hard to avoid