Raise the F8F up or put it at Rank 4 just before or after the cannon U4's

Was the F-15A pilot handicap at the moment of the duel or something?

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I think I’ve already explained it very well.

Why do topics about one particular vehicle always spark discussion about some complete unrelated different vehicles? 😅

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Yeah, i think you did, first you claimed the F1C´s FM wasnt bad because one random " kept up in a two circle with my F-15A the other day".
-Bazingabrain points out that it is survivorship bias.
-You say it isnt because this particular player was keeping up with you.
-FeetPics says its skill issue (it is) (It shouldn’t even be possible even being stock).
-You say it is not skill issue, but maybe its because you played bad.

So it was indeed survivorship bias all along
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You’re free to think what you wish.

So I’m going to repeat it again:

You’re choosing guns that do large amounts of damage over a general area on the aircraft having the capacity to snap someone in a single shot.

Or you get guns that you need to hit the pilot or fuel tanks and kill them via fire but you have high volume of fire.

At that point, it starts to become a matter of preference.
You’re acting as if these guns are like swedish 13mm where every single hit is an HE shell that would just nuke the aircraft when in reality you STILL NEED TO HIT THE FUEL TANK!

You literally said.

I’m basically saying “If they’re dominating then they need to go up.” Like what the hell do you want? That’s why I said it depends.
Like for the D-28. If .50s were fixed, it could go back up to 5.0 and it would have performance to support it. But if you have like the D-22 where it’s an ass aircraft where literally Bf-109s and Yaks can be as fast if not faster than it in shallow yo-yos even while in a shallow dive . You’re going to need measure the aircraft out to where it can still perform.

All the other aircraft at lower BRs 3.3 to 1.0 is a black hole because new players are going to suck in them and there won’t be a large enough pool of decent players to offset that. U.S. planes are already hard to play because the game’s whole match setup is completely antithetical to how you play U.S. planes. You can see the same thing with the He-100. When you have a bunch of newbies corral at low altitudes, you barely need to climb in something like the F4U-1A and you can just dominate. Is that to say, this is the way it should be? No. Fix the guns. Reevaluate the performance of the aircraft and move them up as needed.

The rest of the planes the U.S. has that are undertiered is due to the fact that their armament absolutely sucks balls or they’re wonky. So like, how do you fix it? Make their guns even worse and justify FURTHER shoving them down?

I also already agreed with @KillaKiwi on the accuracy of the .50s.

.50s are almost one-to-one historically accurate in terms of mean radius with the gun accuracy mod turned off.

So if you wanna nerf that to that standard. By all means. Do.

We’re all brain damaged and have hangups on the smallest details. Something something word that starts with an ‘A’

You know what, carry on. If you want to continue dying pathetic and avoidable deaths to a mid plane, then who am I to tell you to stop?

Dude, the AV-8C is literally worse in a dogfight than the F-5. I’m not gonna pretend an AV-8C somehow beats any other plane in a dogfight just because it’s good at dodging.

Sir… You’ve done enough… Let us not bias this poor old plane further…

Your claim hasn’t changed much…

“Dying to F-5 while playing in Harrier is a skill issue, because I had no problem with gunning F-5 down”
(While ignoring the FM difference between Harrier and F-5)

“Buffing AV-8B(NA) will be no problem because nobody cares SHAR and Bucc”

And now…
“Keep continuing dying pathetic on mid plane, F8F-1 is an upgraded version of shitty F6F-5, which is in a lot higher BR. It even flies worse than Yak-7B!”

Welp…
Your take since then has a goal.
1- Biasing the USA
I appreciate your logical consistency.

What is your next step, mate…?
Arguing about the “meaning of the word ‘is’ is”…?

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Okay AlvisWisla Jr.

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Alvis doesn’t struggle against mid planes, so I’ll take that as a compliment.

But has the same level of wild takes that makes no sense and then lacks the ability to admit being mistaken after being proven so, then using gaslighting as a last resort.
What a compliment.

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just dont bother with this dude, all he does is patronise and deflect, loser behavior.
personally i just muted him.

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except… it does not? It is perfectly seen how you struggle to turn while his Spitfire does crazy turns on the spot. He only lost becuse he played bad

No, if .50 cals would 1 or 2 shot fires then .50 cals would just be strictly superior, as I’ve already said.

Not difficult.

The D-28/D-30 is still 5.0 for minor nations…it’s just USA who is being pampered with lower BRs.

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In regards fo the aircraft this topic is about…

Any perquisite of the bearcat upping in BR is giving its engine its historically known trait of overcooling. Remember, Gaijin utterly tanked its thermal performance as a balancing measure.

The average player does not use MEC. When they play the bearcat what they see is a aircraft whose engine goes nuclear in the first five minutes in the fight. Then there’s the complication of the supercharger gear, where if you dont switch it in the correct altitudes comes with a great cost in engine power.

No wonder we see players loading F8Fs with bombs! The first impression must’ve made this plane seem abyssmal.

I would also like to note its horrible energy retention. Any kind of maneuver comes in a dramtic cost in speed, making it quite easy to make mistakes in dogfights. Of course, the bearcat has excellent energy generation to neutralize that, it and like most other US planes requires discipline that most players dont have the patience for.

And of course, the 4 .50 cals which can be quite lack luster.

Anyway, the F8F-1 can go to 5.0 or even 5.7 with its overcooling returned. That way, newer players can fly this plane and experience its potential without fiddling with the engine or super charger gears. After all, the plane with its quirks overcomed is very potent.

I can see it at 5.7 when Yak-3U, LF Mk IX and maybe even the F4U-4B move up to 6.3/6.0.

Oh and Yak-3 and La-7 can also move up. + Pyörremyrsky

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Considering the we have evidence from the past back when .50s were flame throwers. People still played Germany, Russia, Britain and Japan and still saw success even though U.S. .50s were practically guaranteed fire starters then.

Hilariously those last two people complained about their guns being completely ineffectual during that time period due to crappy server desync issues where Russia and Germany were seen as superior at the time.

“Pampered”

New players play U.S. planes.
Players get absolutely dominated because they don’t know how to fly the planes.
Gaijin sees aircraft stats.
Moves them down.

You can find under-tiered aircraft everywhere, especially at lower BR. Like the Ki-44, Yak-1

Don’t forget that the P-36 and F2A you cry as being undertiered so much back then didn’t have any functional incendiary, and since you couldn’t snap wings with .50s back then, you were literally having to go for pilot snipes.

When you’re fighting most aircraft that have centrally mounted fuel tanks. Yeah. It’s more difficult to light fires because your only point of damage is the module mounted centrally

And cannons are 1 shot your point? Cannons will basically be always effective on the structure they hit. .50s are reliant on fuel tank placement.
If you’re shooting at a Bf-109 Well, your target is now the pilot, fuel tank and the engine and that’s all centrally mounted compared to most of the superstructure of the aircraft with cannons can just fire and snap wings…

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Yeah but you also wouldn’t saw a plane in half as much as they do now.

Bombers could also burn much longer without breaking apart 10 seconds later. AFAIK.

Which brings us to fire severity and whether a plane is destroyed within 5 minutes or within 2h or less.

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Did I not say I would be fine if we removed .50s ability for structural damage? No wing snaps, no empennage snaps. Make it like back in 2014-2015