Raise the F8F up or put it at Rank 4 just before or after the cannon U4's

Can you quote where I said anything about damage from other guns? Furthermore, you are disregarding all other upsides/downsides of all of the guns talked about besides from isolating shell damage.

So, to start with, lighting someone on fire 95% of the time is a death sentence regardless. Second, as I alluded to earlier, .50 cals very a wealth of advantages such as ballistics, rate of fire, ammo count, etc already over most peer cannons. Most props will have to get by with 60-120 rounds of cannon ammo even if they only have 1-2 cannons such as the BF-109 series. Why would you have the .50 cals do the same effective damage, while also having them be superior in all other metrics?

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I did:
It depends.
Because you’re trying to force a binary yes or no on an issue that you can’t answer yes or no. We know for a fact .50s were better igniters back then. We know for a fact .50s did less structural damage back then. So you now have to ask

How effective is the airframe? If Gaijin doesn’t completely revamp how incendiary rounds work, then the P-39, P-40, F2A, P-36, are basically completely the same and unchanged
Should the D-22 be forced to face Yak-3Us and Griffon Spitfires just because it can light fuel tanks easily?

Because you still have to hit a fuel tank? You still need to hit something flammable? Is getting caught on fire annoying? Yeah. So is getting split in half by an La-7 getting a lucky hit on you.
So you know what the real annoyance is? Dying in the game!

I mean, we literally have metrics to look at. You can look at old footage and everyone knew that .50s were flamethrowers and yet people still played other aircraft because they had great performance and other things going for them.

I don’t see why you’re having a brain aneurism when cannons are now at their strongest they’ve ever been compared to back then. The only time when .50s were worse was back when they did no structural damage and they lowered the flame chances about as bad as they did now. So instead of at least wing snaps on spars that can almost be as thin as the control cables. You had to rely on pilot snipes and engine kills.

Lol, no. The only way you can argue that U.S. has more than a handful undertiered props is if you’re arguing compression.

You mean destroying RXDima is both energy fighting and dogfighting? Leina is a far better player. I’m by no means even a good player. Leina played pretty much perfectly, and even then I got firing solutions where I simply wasn’t confident in my aim. RXDima made small mistakes, which his F8F punished far harder than my Typhoon punished my mistakes.

If anything, the fact that the dogfights were as close as they were between a pilot as bad as me, and a pilot as good as Leina is a very good indicator that the F8F is not overpowered.

Wow, really? Destroying me? Did you just ignore everything I showed you? Zero lessons learned from fighting me? Not a single thing?
You weren’t getting any reliable shots on Leina either, the only one time you killed him he was literally fucking around
Honestly I should just back off, this is unsustainable

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Implying the P-39, F2A, and P-36 don’t currently have FM advantages at their BR? That would be massively incorrect. P-39 in specific is very undertiered currently.

This is not difficult?

Replace annoying with “deadly 95% of the time” and your statement becomes a bit more accurate.

That La-7 has to contend with worse ballistics, rate of fire, and ammo count.

You can stop saying this, thanks. I’m just telling you that USA aircraft are often undertiered currently and that buffing the .50 cals will make them more so.

There is no reason for me to respond to you beyond this sentence.

It’s skill issue when you lose but clearly an aircraft advantage when you win, of course.

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Dude, you were going on in chat about “leading the fight” and whatnot, immediately before being forced to the deck. The fight between me and you was the equivalent of an F-104 running away from a fight and thinking that meant it wins.

Actually the other way around, or so i’ve heard. Every American vehicle has bad stats cause the players suck, except for the XM246 which is clearly OP and so much better than all the other Gepards.

At the end of the day, the dogfights (ignoring the 15 minute’s of circling while climbing) between me and RXDima lasted far shorter than the dogfights between me and Leina. If the F8F was truly an OP plane, it would’ve been the other way around.

I was referring to you deflecting every duel you’ve ever had.

XM246’s problem, not that you need to be told a 39th time, is the bugged turret causing darts to nonpen the crew compartment because of blackhole modules.

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I’ve had four duels. The first with RunaDacino, and we all know how that went.

The second with some guy who thought the F-5 was OP. He beat me in an F-5C v.s F-5E battle, and the F-5E is supposedly better than the C so that was just skill issue on my end.

The third and fourth duels were against Leina and RXDima. Both are better pilots than me, however Leina was playing near perfeclty.

Is that it’s American and people hate when America actually gets equal vehicles to other nations.

You do realize that those modules mean singular 20mm APCR can result in a complete loss of the ability to fire without even hitting a crewmember right? nvm ofc you don’t. You’re never played any of the vehicles involved.

Ok, let’s disregard the fact I’ve sent 500+ pen apfsds through the turret only for the vehicle to continue firing and kill me. I’m sure the other 35mm spaa do that, oh wait! No they don’t.

I’ve whacked Gepards (and Gepard clones) with 155mm HE and watched it return “hit.” I’ve shoved multiple TOWs and M728s into the side of Gepards’ turrets. The XM246 is not even remotely alone in having dumb volumetric moddelling. The fact that you’re saying the XM246 is stronger than the rest of the Gepards just proves my point.

It’s only skill issue when the American vehicle performs poorly, and it’s only OP vehicles when the American vehicle has average or above average stats.

Cool, you cannot consistently replicate this as they are flukes. We could go into a custom right now and consistently replicate what I just told you.

As usual, I didn’t say this.

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Yes, it’s very easy to replicate your inability to aim properly.

Yes, it’s not aiming properly to center mass the Xm246’s turret with a dart, I’m sure you do think that. Continue to do worse than me in game.

Maybe they switched all fuel types to Kerosine 😄

I meant that they would see no benefit to the change because they don’t have API or API-T. The bug report for incendiary has already been made and shot down to get them working correctly. They would literally have no difference in their behavior. Now… Now… If we change incendiary to behave properly and then fix belt compositions Then yeah. That would help them get out of undertiered territory because it would increase the statistics and make gaijin wanna move it out of these BR brackets.

You could also make .30 cal incendiary light fuel tanks up in 2 shots as well.
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Before you ask “How does that even work?” They loaded it so hot that it would sometimes cook off. Like M23.

Depends. Is it a stall shot? Sure. Easy peasy. Is it a fast deflection shot? Well now it depends on where you hit the plane. You act like M2s some 9000rpm guns where if he even dares to pass by you he lights into flames. Every gun in the game is point-harmonized. So unless you’re within your convergence, you really aren’t hitting anything

So is getting hit by a cannon? Either the shot disables you or kills you outright especially now that Gaijin gave more rounds real shatter.

So you get the ability to cause significantly large amounts of damage in a single hit on the aircraft while with .50s you need to strike the fueltank to kill?
So what you’re saying is that everyone has super powerful armaments but it depends on if you prefer to quickly snap someone in half or light someone on fire?

Because America had good flame chances before and you’re acting as if the idea of “Let american .50 calibers be flamethrowers again.” is some foul concept that couldn’t and shouldn’t even be conceived or thought

And if the increase of weapon lethality makes them perform better statistically, then move them up? I mean. That’s kinda the whole “Change it, see what happens.”

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Mirage F1C keeping up with F-15A in a rate fight is a skill issue on your part to be quite frank.

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Less a skill issue and more that I was stock and probably entered at the wrong speed range, but still the fact he even kept up at any speed range shows the f1 is not some complete dud

That makes more sense.

I think I’ve gave you the cons of cannon armed planes at this BR like 5 times now.

I think I’ve gave you the cons of cannon armed planes at this BR like 5 times now.

USA props are much lower battle ratings than they were in the time period you keep referencing. Half the USA prop tree is currently undertiered. Yes, it would be an issue.

Gaijin doesn’t work like that.

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The Mirage F1C is similar in turn performance to the F-4W. It’s actually slightly worse when you account for flaps. It’s nowhere close to F-15A; it has around 4 degrees per second worse sustained turn rate and much worse bleed rates across the board.

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