Those of us that do report stuff live off copium that maybe they’ll consider it a positive change and fix it. Ultimately it’s not even about whether or not they believe it to be true but rather that it benefits their “vision”.
The whole bug report website is a massive, horrifically bad joke and is so poorly implemented that I wouldnt be suprised if the devs just ignore it entirely tbh. It looks like it was setup as part of a 12 y/o’s “my first webpage” project in middleschool…
There are going to be changes to the bug report site in the future, how will it go, i have no idea, but i know they are coming.
Late reply but, basically, as soon as the missile goes pitbull, no point having either TWS or hard lock as the missile will always ignore your data?
keeping a plane hard locked can assist with missile tracking IIRC as the missile still tries to follow the largest radar return and your onboard radar can assist with providing that, so if you’re firing at one enemy and have no reason to unlock your radar it might be a little better to keep them locked
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Interesting, is that confirmed or just assumed based on IRL performance?
If you lock a target and never unlock him, missile fired at the said target will still keep getting datalink updates. If missile goes pitbull and you don’t unlock the target, if missile loses the target, it can still get datalink update and then go and lock the target with its own onboard radar second or third time until impact.
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We got a bunch of new changes for all fox 3 missiles barring AIM-54s, can we get updated charts? @dark_claw
I will test it after they update the game
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looks like they loft again?
I didn’t do any reports that netted the changes, I do not know what they might have used
Just wondering because you said the change was historical, my assumption is this was based on the edge case/90° target launches with the incorrect 0.5s delay, hence they reduced the AoA too much, though I’m not sure.
I recall reading somewhere that the fin AoA peaked around 26 degrees (maybe 28?) but regardless, further is not beneficial to the design in any practical standpoint. The lifting body design requires AoA is managed carefully to avoid instability. True missile AoA is probably kept under 20 degrees at all times.
The lifting body effects aren’t modelling in game are they?
Most interesting bit about the loft code changes is that they didn’t seem to have touched the loftTargetOmegaMax, which as far as my testing has gone, is the most significant value for performance gains from loft (though all are important). I wonder why they chose to modify them in these ways. Granted the testing i did regarding lofting was for the AIM-54’s so its unclear if the general observations I’ve come to regarding the effects of loft code have the same impact on the medium range fox 3’s. I would expect them too though.
If I was to guesstimate the effects of the loft change (visually atleast), they likely look something like this:
Red being old loft and Green being new loft.
New loft likely climbs faster, but quits the loft sooner (due to unchanged omegaMax + lower targetElevation) and follows a generally more direct trajectory to the target is my guess, which should be an improvement over the previous loft code, but likely leaves quite a bit of gains on the table as the missile actually spends very little time at higher alts where the air is thinner.
I don’t recall, probably not…
The R-27EA in the last two pictures is actually the R-27ER using the R77 LOFT trajectory.Looks a bit too strong.
From the test, they weakened the kinetic advantage of AIM-120A. Although AIM-120A performs better than before at medium and long range, some other missiles have received more buff.C-5 no changes.
Derby gets the biggest buff, followed by R-77. R-77-1 looks pretty good right now.There are no particularly bad ARH missiles at the moment.
PL-12 is mediocre, and the test results are not as good as expected from the datamine. The drag of the MICA is lower than before, but its loft trajectory is the same as before, so it is still poor at long distance.
At closer ranges, all of these missiles are similar.
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Off-boresight launch.
New AIM-120 has a significantly limited available AOA, and the available overload may be reduced by 20%. The maneuverability of the R-77 has been greatly improved.
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How do you feel about these graphs?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1e6z9pc/a_change_in_rocket_dynamics_as_well_as_a/