I agree but r24r arent better by a wide enough margine to make me pick 2 of them over 4 aim7DF
Actually. I think they should just add options in the settings to toggle auto-mode switching. Include a second option for Auto-ACM as well (I miss auto-ACM on the F3)
But as for the actual functionality of MTI and it only working under certain coditions, then if its accurate, it should remain
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Not really. Depends on more than that.
They were not.
Yes, it was. Are you forgetting that the MiG-23 is still a powerhouse? It appears so!
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They shouldn’t. It’s realistic.
Im pretty sure they were since the introduction of mig23.
Not really the r24r are better missiles but having for aim7e2s allows for much more impact on the match. R24rs will allow you to win a joust with pretty much every aircraft at the br, but after 2 youre done. The aim7e2 will do the same but you have 4 of em, theyre slightly less flexible sure but you got twice as many and theyre more reliable
Maybe? That is literally a 2021 update though and they are still fine enough missiles.
except no because its much easier to fool a 7e2 off of you than a r24r
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I also think it is more to do with the radar on the jet. The mig23ml can lock targets below it while something like the f4e cant, unless it is high alt.
I know people complain about the mti, i alsothink russian radar sucks. But i havent had much issue when using the acm mode. I dont bother with the search radar on it.
easier not much easier, r24r are less reliable
the mig23ml radar is more capable but its much less reliable in my experience, the f4e struggles to lock but once locked its generally fine, mig 23 wide acm is annoying and the lock oftentimes fails the guide the missile completely, both are very susceptible by chaff but if you shot before chafff you will hit with both missiles usually but if r24r successifully guided its much more likely to hit, oh and i forgot the mig23 acm often fails to lock targets in clear sky at altitude and the normal scan is slow as balls
Look, let’s just say BRs are all over the place. In general.
Every vehicle has its own pros/cons , the real problem is the quantity of a vehicle in a match and how many counters are played in the opposing side in the specific match, withe different scenarios depending on the BR limit of the match.
Ex. MiG 23ML… you generally see many of them in a match. Similar with F-4S or other premiums around the same BR (+0,3 /-0,3) which they will be the comparison.
The comparison with F-4E isn’t really a comparison. The statement about its BVR capability is not a statement.
Because even if you can work around and find a way to do some things to bypass the low height play meta, you’ll get chaffed…And the problem is not the missile AIM-7E2, it’s the F-4Es radar. Having 4 of them doesn’t say much when you can’t rely on them and having to find a workaround for the radar, to shoot and hope the other player doesn’t react (for any reason).
Also people tend to forget that you have R-60M and R24T as well. Not the best all-aspect in the game, but at least you have all-aspect with every possibility that comes with them. And especially in overtiers (12.7) where you don’t want to stay much on a target because they may have better SARH or even ARH , it’s a valid option.
F-4E doesn’t even have that option…there is no all aspect.
Facts alone the whole comparison is invalid.
And now let’s say you have all that options in 23ML and MF.1 at 12.0 is based in 2xMagic 2 , its SARH capability is abyssmal or even nonexistant but ok, it has enough CMs for most scenarios.
The major balancer in a match though, is teams…
If F-4E is most possibly teamed with other things, like F-4S/J that have a good SARH capability, and play the role of a support to them , then yes you may find them “winning” more…
If you have F-4E teamed with a major core of MF.1 … then you are in a disadvantage already… you can’t cover them. You can’t make up for their disadvantage.
One thing though, in 23ML you may find yourself handicapped in overtiers…12.7 are no jokes against it.
Now imagine having no All-Aspect, very bad BVR because they will outplay you easily (radar can’t help) and no performance advantage…that will be the F-4E in that scenario…
The BR is not given only by the planes capabilities, but with the others it plays against and compares as well. The implementation in game is bad though…
this is just objectively wrong, aim7e2s are your main weapon in the f4e and its a dang good one at that, radar is bad but it works
r60ms are better than 9js but not reliable, r24t is a meme weapon in arb
F-5E FCU can’t touch a smart mig23 pilot. The mig23 is much faster, has a higher sustained turn rate, and has the best radar missiles for the BR. The missiles of the F-5E FCU are easily flareable
No mig 23 is going into a fight with full sweep you are going to have an advantage for the first turn and a half. Python 3s are very good at the br
The mig23 doesn’t have to take that turn into the 1C, a better option is to do 2C into the vertical initially and the F-5E will get too slow, on top of that the mig23 can easily disengage at any time.
Yes the python 3 are good for the BR, but they are as easy to flare as any aim9-L. Only good against unaware opponents
11.7 wouldn’t be unreasonable if Gaijin hadn’t gone through just about everything that doesn’t begin with the letter F and nuked their flight models.
Comparing with what? Planes that can’t BVR at all or don’t have PD their own? Yes it is.
However , at PD BRs most …if not all players stick to the ground…
Yes with F-4E you try some angles that can work,but the radar will get chaffed anyway. If someone sees lock in RWR an doesn’t react… You may hit him yes. As soon as he reacts (chaff/evade) you won’t.
That’s why you play mostly as support in uptiers. That a missile is your main weapon, doesn’t mean that it is a good weapon… or your plane (its radar in that case) is effective.
You can make kills with them, yet do not compare MTI/PD planes with Pulse radars…its different class altogether. In a straight comparison it’s clear what’s better…
R60Ms are lacking range against 9J, yet are all-aspect can pull way better (for snapshots) …
Again don’t compare an all-aspect missile with rear-aspect missile.
R24T , meme or not can be used…can be worked… Also all-aspect.
I’d talk differently if F-4E had AIM-9L for example. Or if you compare with PD Phantoms i’ll tell you ok, you’re right… they have 4x AIM-7s, with PD radars, and AIM-9G/H that even if not all-aspect you can shoot from bigger range some sneak shots…
But comparing with F-4E as it’s pictured in the game, it’s not even close.
def not
Depends on what you compare it to.
F-4S vs an Mig-23ML for example, the F-4S won’t drop lock on a chaffing MiG, where as the mig will.
It’s also a 4.0 Mach vs a 3.5 Mach.
So like I said. It all depends on the context of the situation.
user was talking about F-4E using 7E2 not F-4S (which would never use 7E2 for any reason)
You realize none of this matters? These aren’t the real speeds?
What do you mean?