Indonesian Sub-tree: Bhinneka Tunggal Ika!

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Indonesian Sub-tree: Bhinneka Tunggal Ika!

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Insignia of the Indonesian Army.

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Insignia of the Indonesian Marine Corps.

  • In-game:
    • Description:
      • The country of the Republic of Indonesia is a massive country located in Southeast Asia. Indonesia is a powerhouse of economic development due to it being a G20 member, and recently classified as a newly industrialized country as well as having the 4th largest population in the world at 275 million people. According to Global Firepower, the Indonesian military as a whole is ranked 15th in the world, with 400,000 active duty personnel and over 2,000 land-based vehicles to assert it’s security and sovereignty. The current budget of the military sits around $9.3 billion, allowing Indonesia to meet it’s own security needs. Indonesia has a newly developing arms industry such as PT Pindad, that is able to develop indigenous vehicles and new technology that is able to compete with modern technology of developed arms industries. Indonesia’s arms industry is rapidly modernizing due to its partnerships with established companies such as Turkey’s FNSS, France’s Renault or MBDA, or Belgium’s John Cockerill which allows them to share some specifics on technology. Due to this, Indonesia has developed several unique vehicles ranging from the Harimau Medium Tank to the smaller Komodo 4x4, which would have a unique place in the game War Thunder. 1732889828_Screenshot2022-07-28170412.jp

Tree layout, note there are some gaps in Rank I and Rank V that can be addressed in future updates.

  • One of the issues with the Indonesian Sub-tree is the beginning 3 ranks and rank 5. This is due to the Indonesian utilizing vehicles from other countries like the US, the USSR, and France. The issue is that there would be some copy and paste, however, if combined with a tree that already utilizes the vehicles, then the only thing to do is add Indonesian military camouflage to those vehicles that exist in the tree already.
  • The location of this sub-tree is up for debate. The Indonesian military draws a lot of their vehicles from France, and Germany, with newer vehicles developed in coordination with Turkey’s FNSS as well as Belgium’s John Cockerill. There is a lot of different options for this Sub-tree. One option is that this sub-tree could also be used to amplify potential ground tree’s such as an ASEAN tree of Turkish tree. The closest however would most likely be with Turkey due to their continuing development of armored vehicles with many more to come. To summarize, this sub-tree would be best to be implemented in support of a minor nation to provide more vehicles to use as well as draw on future potential since more vehicles are being developed. Please comment below on where you think this tree should go!
    • List of vehicles included in this tree:
      • Leopard 2RI
      • Harimau Hitam
      • Komodo CPWS Gen 2 (25) - Premium
      • Cobra IFV
      • Komodo Mistral ATLAS
      • AMX-13/Yonkav 2
      • Badak
      • AMX-10P Marine
      • PT-76(M)
      • E.B.R. model 1951
      • M4A3(75)W Sherman
      • M3A3 Stuart
    • Vehicles not listed in this suggestion but could be considered and/or are a WIP for this Sub-tree:
      • Leopard 2A4+ (MBT)
      • Cobra 8x8 FSV
      • Marder Medium Tank RI
      • Marder 1A3 (IFV)
      • Propad SHORAD Grom (VSHORAD)
      • Komodo Starstreak (VSHORAD)
      • Sherpa MPCV (VSHORAD)
      • VAMTAC ST5 RapidRanger (VSHORAD)
      • M109A4-BE (SPH)
      • BMP-3F (IFV)
      • BVP-2 (IFV)
      • BTR-4M BAU (APC)
      • AMX-13/105 Modèle 58 FL-12 (LT)
      • AMX Mk 61 (SPH)
      • Tarantula 6x6 (FSV)
      • FV101 Scorpion 90 (LT)
      • V-150 FSV (FSV)
      • AMX-13/75 Modèle 52 (LT)
      • FV601 Saladin (LT)
      • Isuzu NPS75 (ZSU-23-2)
      • Type 97 Chi-Ha (LT)
      • Humber Mark IV AC
  • Disclaimer:
    • If any information is incorrect or better sources are located, or other vehicles I’m sure I have missed, please comment them and I’ll be happy to correct it and tag your name in the correction. :salute:
    • This suggestion is just to provide a blueprint for an Indonesian Sub-tree and is not final. Vehicles such as the Leopard 2RI can be added or removed, depending on what is necessary for inclusion of the tree.

Sub-tree Vehicles:

Leopard 2RI MBT

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A Leopard 2RI during an exercise.

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Leopard 2RI’s and a Leopard 2A4 during exercises.

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Leopard 2RI outside of Rheinmetall’s factory.

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A Leopard 2RI in Rheinmetall’s factory.

Revolution MBT - Leopard 2RI of Indonesia, the most powerful MBT in Southeast Asia - YouTube

Video of the Leopard 2RI.

Harimau Hitam MT

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A PT Pindad provided image of the Harimau Medium Tank during acceptance trials.

Harimau-hitam-medium-tank.jpg A Harimau prototype on parade in Indonesia.

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A series of images from PT Pindad showing the Harimau MT undergoing acceptance trials.

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Layout of the Cockerill 3105 turret used on the Harimau MT.

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Layout of the Harimau MT.

Pindad Sukses Lakukan Uji Tembak Medium Tank Harimau Kanon Kaliber 105mm - YouTube

Video of the Harimau MT.

Day 3 - Indo Defence 2018 - YouTube

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Videos of Indo Defence 2018 showing operation of the Harimau MT.

Komodo CPWS Gen. 2 (25)

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Komodo CPWS Gen. 2 (25) on display during Indo Defence 2018.

  • Basic Description:
    • During Indo Defence 2018, a Pindad Komodo 4x4 was revealed on the 2nd day featuring the Cockerill SPWS Gen.2 Turret equipped with a 25mm M242 Bushmaster as well as 2 100mm Alcotán-100 un-guided anti-tank missiles. This vehicle features improved crew survivability by allowing the crew to reload the main gun from the inside of the vehicle as well as the ability to equip the 25mm M242 Chain Gun, a 30mm M230LF Chain Gun, as well as a variety of ATGM’s depending on the ordering country’s needs. As of now, there are no Komodo’s equipped with the CPWS Gen. 2 in service, however are available for purchase through PT Pindad and John Cockerill Defense.
  • Specifications:
    • Role: APC/Anti-Tank
    • Origin/Manufacturer:
      • Indonesia - PT Pindad/John Cockerill Defense
    • Armament:
      • Primary: 25mm M242 Chain Gun
        • Ammunition:
          • APFSDS-T
          • APDS-T
          • HEI-T
        • Feed System:
          • Dual-Belt Fed
      • Coaxial: 7.62x51mm Machine Gun
      • ATM: Alcotán-100
        • Missile Types:
          • ALOCOTAN-AT
          • ALOCOTAN-BIV
          • ALOCOTAN-ABK
          • ALOCOTAN-MP

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Komodo CPWS Gen. 2 (25) ATGM during a maneuver at Indo Defence 2018.

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Komodo CPWS Gen. 2 (25) ATGM on display.

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Indo Defence 2018 views of the Komodo CPWS Gen. 2 (25) ATGM.

Cobra IFV

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A PT Pindad Cobra 8x8 IFV on display.

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Different views of the Cobra IFV on display.

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Pillar V promotional image.

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The Pillar V Crew Warning System utilizes multiple microphones to locate enemy fire.

Komodo Mistral Atlas SPAA

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Pindad Komodo Mistal Atlas anti-aircraft vehicle during a parade.

  • Basic Description:
    • The Komodo Mistral ATLAS is a VSHORAD vehicle developed between PT PINDAD and MBDA of France. The Komodo 4x4 platform itself, developed by Indonesia is loosely based on the French Renault Sherpa vehicle. The Komodo 4x4 was designed to meet local requirements by being well protected, cheap, and modular, allowing multiple weapon platforms to be equipped suiting the needs of the Indonesian Army or export customers. In this case, the Indonesian Army equipped the Komodo 4x4 with the MBDA Mistral ATLAS platform, a dual Mistral launcher with enhanced electronics allowing the operator to target aircraft, drones, or helicopters up to 7.5km depending on the type of Mistral missile used. The platform requires the gunner to be seated on the missile launcher, exposing the gunner to enemy fire. The Mistral ATLAS can receive targeting data from Mistral Co-ordination Posts (MCP) which featuring a search RADAR to target incoming threats or fire independently through 3rd-generation electro-optical sighting equipment located on the ATLAS launcher. The Komodo Mistral ATLAS is currently in use with the Indonesian Army with over a 100 Komodo 4x4’s of different variants in service.
  • Specifications:
    • Role: Very Short Range Air Defense (VSHORAD)
    • Origin/Manufacturer: Indonesia/France - PT Pindad/MBDA
    • Armament:
      • Primary: Mistral ATLAS Dual-missile System
        • Mistral 2
          • Speed: 930m/s (up to 30G’s)
          • Tracking: Fire-and-Forget, IR, All-Aspect
          • Weight: 19.7kg
          • Length: 1.86m
          • Diameter: 90mm
          • Maximum Intercept Range: 6.5km
          • Minimum Intercept Range: 500m
          • Maximum Altitude: 3km
          • Reaction Time: 2 Seconds
        • Mistral 3
          • Speed: 930m/s (up to 30G’s)
          • Tracking: Fire-and-Forget, IR, All-Aspect
          • Weight: ~20kg
          • Length: 1.86m
          • Diameter: 90mm
          • Maximum Intercept Range: 7.5km
          • Minimum Intercept Range: 500m
          • Maximum Altitude: 3km
          • Reaction Time: 2 Seconds
          • Note: The Mistral 3 has an improved seeker that provides significant capabilities over the Mistral 2.
        • Feed System:
          • Manual Reload
    • Dimensions:
      • Length: 6.3m
      • Width: 2.3m
      • Height: 2.4m
      • Weight: ~7.5t
    • Mobility :
      • Engine: 215hp - Renault Inline 6cyl Diesel Engine with Turbo Charger Intercooler
      • Max Speed: 80km/h
      • Transmission: Manual (6-Forward, 1-Reverse)
      • Suspension: 4x4
  • Crew:
    • Commander
    • Gunner
    • Loader
    • Driver
  • Modifications:
    • Mistral ATLAS System
      • 3rd-Generation Optical Sight:
        • User(s):
          • Gunner
    • Night Vision Device (NVD):
      • User(s):
        • Commander
        • Driver
    • Armor
      • STANAG 4569 Level 3
  • In-game:
    • The Komodo ATLAS Mistral features the powerful Mistral 3 anti-aircraft missile that is capable of 7.5km of range. Its capabilities allow excellent tracking to eliminate anything from helicopters to aircraft without being detected utilizing its optical sight. The main drawback is its gunner is exposed to enemy fire which will require the player to stay completely out of sight unless trying to capture a point quickly. Having a crew of 4 however, will allow players to make a comeback if there gunner is killed.
    • Due to its capabilities (powerful missile, maneuverability, and over-exposed gunner), it would sit around Battle Rating 9.0.
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Imagery provided by the manufacturer, PT Pindad.

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Rear view of the Komodo ATLAS Mistral vehicle.

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View of the launcher.

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View of the commander’s station as well as driver.

AMX-13/Yonkav 2 LT

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Yonkav 2 featuring enhanced armor.

  • Basic Description:
    • The Yonkav 2, also known as the AMX-13 Refit is a light tank originating from France that has been upgraded by the Indonesian Defense Industry. The Yonkav 2 underwent two modernizations, one in 1995 featuring a new Detroit Diesel engine and Automatic Transmission, and the Dunlostrut Suspension to increase off-road performance. Another modernization was conducted in 2014 which added a newer 320hp diesel engine by Navistar (which required the hull to be extended), improved armor on the LFP, and UFP, as well as addon armor for the turret in urban operations. Another part of this upgrade included a new Fire Control System featuring 3rd-generation thermal viewers, new 105mm main gun, and a thermal imager/FLIR camera for the driver. The new FCS is designed to further offset the aiming of the unstabilized main gun. The idea of this upgrade was to prolong the life of the Yonkav 2 until newer vehicles such as the Harimau MT are produced in quantity. The Yonkav 2 is still in use by the Indonesian Army and around 250 different models of AMX-13 remain in serivce.
    • For this suggestion, this version of the Yonkav 2 is the 2014 refit.
  • Specifications:
    • Role: Light Tank
    • Origin/Manufacturer: France/Indonesia - Multiple
    • Armament:
      • Primary: 105mm Smoothbore Gun
      • Note: A replacement gun was provided during the 2014 refit, unknown if its the same model of gun or new production.
        • Ammunition:
          • APFSDS-T
          • HEAT-T
          • HE-T
        • Feed System:
          • Autoloader
      • Coaxial: 7.62x51mm Machine Gun
      • Roof Mount: 7.62x51mm Machine Gun
    • Dimensions:
      • Length: ~6.50-6.55m
      • Width: 2.51m
      • Height: 2.35m
      • Weight: 15-16t
    • Mobility:
      • Engine: 320hp - Navistar Diesel Engine
      • Max Speed: 60km/h+
      • Transmission: ZF 5WG-180 Automatic Transmission (5-Forward, 2-Reverse)
      • Suspension: Torsion Bar
  • Crew:
    • Commander
    • Gunner
    • Driver
  • Modifications:
    • 3rd generation-Thermal Imagers
      • Users:
        • Gunner
        • Driver
    • Night Vision Device:
      • User(s):
        • Commander
    • Laser Rangefinder
    • Armor:
      • Unknown values of urban armor kit.
      • Unknown values of UFP/LFP post-modernization.
    • 6x 76mm Smoke Grenades
  • In-game:
    • The Yonkav 2 would be the epitome of the AMX-13 series vehicles found in-game. Featuring new armor, thermal imagery, enhanced FCS for more accurate shots, this vehicle would be a quick shoot-n-scoot vehicle capable of scouting and capturing ahead of the main group. This vehicle would still suffer from the same fate of all oscillating turreted vehicles, an unstabilized gun/turret uncapable of firing effectively on the move.
    • Due to the capabilities of this vehicle, it would best sit around Battle Rating 8.7.
  • Sources:
  • Imagery:

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Yonkav 2 on display.

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Rear view of the Yonkav 2.

https://youtu.be/KWO15TOuNcA

Tank driver of the Yonkav 2 showing the turning capabilities of the vehicle.

https://youtu.be/_ywBKMmg4cI

Video describing the Yonkav 2.

Badak FSV

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A Pindad Badak Fire Support Vehicle (FSV).

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An early version of the Badak FSV.

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Late version of the Badak FSV used by the Indonesian Army.

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Badak FSV being offloaded from a transport vehicle.

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News video describing the late version of the Badak FSV.

AMX-10P PAC 90

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An AMX-10P PAC 90 of the Indonesian Marine Corp during exercises.

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An AMX-10P PAC 90 on display.

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Layout of the AMX-10P PAC 90.

https://youtu.be/j7jPfiZnp4g

Video depicting the AMX-10P PAC 90.

PT-76(M) LT

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A PT-76(M) during maintenance.

  • Description:
    • The PT-76(M) is an Indonesian upgrade to the Soviet PT-76 that were acquired in 1962 alongside the BTR-50. In the 1990’s, Indonesia upgraded there PT-76’s to the designation PT-76(M) featuring several upgrades including a new Cockerill 90mm MKIII Low-pressure Gun, new Detroit Diesel Engine coupled to the original transmission, several fire control modifications, as well as other upgrades that bring the PT-76 to modern levels. These new PT-76(M)'s were used in service with the Indonesian Marine Corp, conducting amphibious operations during the Insurgency of Aceh in the early 2000’s and continue to serve today. In 2020, another upgrade program was initiated with Ukraine through Ukrspetsexport which includes an APS system, a new Cummins Diesel Engine, and the possible inclusion of the Falarick 90 GL-ATGM. Modifications will have to be made to the gun due to the muzzle brake preventing certain ammunition from being fired such as APFSDS-T. It is unknown if the upgrades took place or are delayed due to recent events.
  • Specifications:
    • Role: Amphibious Light Tank
    • Origin/Manufacturer: U.S.S.R./Indonesia - Kirov Factory/PT Pindad
    • Armament:
      • Primary: Cockerill 90mm MkIII Low-pressure Gun
        • Ammunition:
          • HEAT-T
          • HESH-T
      • Coaxial: FN MAG 7.62x51mm Machine Gun
    • Dimensions:
      • Length: 7.6m
      • Width: 3.14m
      • Height: 2.3m
      • Weight: ~15t
    • Mobility:
      • Engine: 300hp - Detroit Diesel 6V-92T Diesel Engine
      • Max Speed: 58km/h (9km/h in Water)
      • Transmission: Manual Transmission (4-Forward, 1-Reverse)
      • Suspension: Torsion Bar
  • Crew:
    • Commander
    • Gunner
    • Driver
  • Modifications:
    • Night Vision Device(s) (NVD)
      • Users:
        • Gunner
        • Driver
        • Commander
    • Laser Rangefinder
    • Amphibious
  • In-game:
    • The PT-76(M) is an excellent light tank of the Indonesian Marines. Capable of amphibious operations as well as a more powerful gun than the standard PT-76’s, this vehicle would excel at water based maps and flatter terrain. However, with its light armor and lack of smoke grenades, players will have to plan their shots accordingly.
    • Based on its capabilities, it would most likely be best suited around the Battle Rating 6.3-6.7.
  • Sources:
  • Imagery:

Multiple images of the PT-76(M).

https://youtu.be/UkT7uBop3dQ

Video depicting the PT-76(M).

E.B.R. model 1951 AC

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An Indonesian Army Panhard EBR model 1951 in the Satria Mandala Museum.

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More images of the Panhard EBR model 1951 in the Satria Mandala Museum.

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Panhard EBR model 1951 in South Bandung.

https://youtu.be/vDpa4vg47iU

Walkaround of the Indonesian Panhard E.B.R.

M4A3(75)W Sherman MT

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M4A3(75)W Sherman’s of the KKO Tank Battalion.

  • Basic Description:
    • The M4A3(75)W Sherman is a development of the M4 Sherman used during WWII as well as Post-War engagements. The M4A3(75)W Sherman’s in Indonesia were originally used by the British before being turned over to the Dutch. After Indonesia declared Independence on August 17th, 1945, the Dutch used them against Indonesian Independence Forces until the Netherlands recognized the Independence of Indonesia in 1949 after 4 years of intense warfare. Following negotiations, the Netherlands donated the M4A3(75)W’s to the newly formed Indonesian Army. The M4A3(75)W Sherman’s were seen in use into the early 1960’s with the inauguration of the KKO Tank Battalion of the Indonesian Marine Corps, back then the Korps Komando (KKO).
    • This vehicle is not in-game however, it is a combination of the M4A2(75) turret and the hull of the M4A3(76)W with shared values in-game.
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  • Imagery:

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Layout of the M4A3(75)W Sherman.

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Former U.S. Army M4A3(75)W Sherman used as a reference.

M3A3 Stuart LT

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An Indonesian Army M3A3 Stuart in the Satria Mandala Museum.

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Another view of the M3A3 Stuart in the Satria Mandala Museum.

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M3A3 Stuart of the Pusdikav.

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Indonesian Army M3A3’s and M3A1’s in Bandung, 1950.

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Walkaround of the M3A3 Stuart of the Indonesian Army in the Satria Mandala Museum.


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+1, can’t see it implemented rn. Perhaps when Turkey is going to be added.

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+1, ideally I’d love to see an ASEAN tree, and of course Indonesia would provide quite a strong core for such a prospect.

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Here Some Picture of indonesian Vehicle that Using Starstreak

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Harimau At PT Pindad

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Some Picture of indonesian Leopard 2 RI

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M109A4

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Leopard 2A4 during Super Garuda Shield 2023

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Very nice, here are some additional vehicles & small info+images that can be added to the sub-tree as well:

  • MML (Mobile Missile Launcher) Poprad (Grom)
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The vehicle fires Grom missiles, which has a weight of 10.5kg (16.5kg with the launcher) with a diameter of 72mm, and 1,566mm in lenght. Has a Firing range from 5,5 km horizontal to 3-4km vertical, with a minimum firing range of 10m. It can chase targets up to speeds of 650m/s. The missile is a fire-and-forget missile with infrared guidance

Its a part of the “Kobra” defense system, but it can function alone without the need of additional battery command vehicles, as the commander is the one who operates the weapon, sitting beside the driver (2 crew). The components are mounted upon a lengthened 6×6 Land Rover Defender chassis (Polish modification Huzar). The vehicle carries 4 missiles in the tube and 4 additional missiles in storage.

360 view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=lSGOCoktxTM
Source:
Grom: Arhanud TNI AD Main Missile [Translated]
Poprad Users (Indonesia)

- Identical vehicles from other tech-trees

  • M3A1
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Indonesia inherited both the A3 and the A1 versions of the Stuart from the KNIL

  • M8 Greyhound
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was primarily used by the Indonesian Police

  • PT-76B (stock/pre-upgrade)
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Used by the Indonesian Marine Corps during the Maluku sectarian conflict and Invasion of East Timor

  • BTR-80A
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Used by the Indonesian Marine Corps and currently with INDOBATT on the UNIFIL mission in Lebanon

  • AMX-13/75 (FL-10)
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Modèle 51, used to be the main tanks of the Indonesian Armed Forces, totaling over 120+

  • AMX-10P Marine (20mm)
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armed with the 20 mm F2/M693 autocannon

  • BVP-2
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Czechoslovak-produced version of BMP-2, pretty much identical

- Identical vehicles from other nations that have not been added to the game yet

  • Sherpa MPCV (Mistral)
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The platform is the station wagon variant, the launcher with four Mistrals is operated manually or using RCWS (remote control weapon system) within the cabin of the vehicle. In addition, this launcher model is fitted with a 12.7 mm caliber heavy machine gun

Sherpa Light Specifications

  • Manufacturing: Renault Trucks
  • Crew: 4 or 5
  • Dimensions: 5.43 x 2.36 x 2.13 meters
  • Wheel base: 3.54 meters
  • Internal volume: 7m3
  • Max speed: 110 km per hour (on roads)
  • Cruising range: 1,000 km at an average speed of 60 km per hour

source : Renault Sherpa Light: Commander Of The Mistral RCWS Missile Arhanud TNI AD [Translated]

  • AMX-13/105 (FL-12)
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Modèle 58, Fitted with a CN 105-57 105 mm Gun in an FL-12 turret, not to be confused with the Yonkav 2 (AMX-13/105 Retrofit) which is a 2014 upgrade of the AMX-13 fleet

- Other variants/versions of vehicles present in other tech-trees

  • M109A4 (BE)
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Improved versions of M109A2/A3s for nuclear, chemical, and biological protection, in addition the traversing mechanism’s clutch was changed from electric to hydraulic and gained a second hydraulic filter and more reliable engine

  • BMP-3F
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Similar in function to the stock BMP-3, designed for prolonged use at sea with the dozer removed and with the addition of a lightweight anti-surge vane on the turret

might add more if i find anything on a later date.

for the identical vehicles, maybe it can be marked with " ⬠ " to differentiate it with the others, since that’s the main roundel of both the Air Force and the Armed Forces

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here are some more videos of the aforementioned vehicles:

  • M3A1 Stuart
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evDIgQwS5IQ

  • PT-76B
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdX6rRgzos

  • BMP-3F
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlg88jvPars

  • Marder 1A3
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVDr_mEatsk

  • Leopard 2RI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aulss3MiIV4

  • Komodo Mistral Atlas SPAA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWIPwjFo_KY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9tZIvEd2V8

Looks like another copy paste. Not very interesting.

well that’s why this would be better off as a sub-tree rather than a full tech tree. And it could function similarly to Norway in-game where only a few vehicles are put in rather than the whole lot

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Even though this is a suggestion for Indonesian ground sub TT I feel like posting some Indonesian Aircraft more specifically AT-33’s & F-51’s here

t-33-04

You can tell by both images that Indonesia used different secondary weapon loadouts for said aircraft like the Oerlikon 80cm rockets found on the Israeli Spitfires and Swiss Hunters as well as a different Napalm Bomb

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Perhaps, an option for Japan? I’m not exactly sure.

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That good idea, but what would be the point though. It is still just copy and paste right? Truth of the matter is, many modern tanks build on the same proven designs, it would be so much cooler to see more unique desings, for that I believe you have to go back to ealier development of tanks than the Mid/late cold war

well asking a nation to spend half(exaggeration here) of their annual spending just to make a new tank is rather difficult right?
it’s easier to spend less by buying an already tested and tried platform. rather than making new scheme, prototyping, testing, producing.

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for Indonesia specifically I think it would be hard to find earlier designs purely because the nation only gained “proper” independence in 1949, and even after that they are still fighting wars with many different rebellions and nations, such as the british, dutch, and CIA to a lesser extent, so they didnt have a lot of time to develop vehicles, instead they mostly imported AFVs and light tanks.

In addition heavy tanks is generally not really the focus, as the philosophy is more on being light for amphibious operations. This excerpt is pretty good at explaining the situation:

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Indonesian army always operate the light tank weighing not more than 20 tones due to the limitation of our road infrastructure and the nature of Indonesian wet soil. TNI still operates AMX-13 and Scorpions, while Marine Corps rely on the old Sovyet era, the amphibious PT-76. They had acquire the more modern BMP-2 from Ukraine and still waiting for the delivery of 20 BMP-3F from Russia.

Indonesia doesn’t face those kind of threat [near-peer war with other nations]. The only possible land invasion could be from Malaysia’s North Borneo, Sabah and Serawak States. But they must cope with the Kalimantan’s dense forest and swamp, an environment not suitable for a main battle tank. The other land border is in Papua with the worse condition of mountainous terrain and the thickest tropical jungle.

Most of Indonesian terrain does not support the concept of main battle tank. Even the light tank still can only operates on the normal road if they don’t want to be stuck in the paddy field’s mud or swamp. Indonesian Army doesn’t need full scale MBT but it needs a special lightweight tank to sustain such MBT role, engaging any enemy’s MBT threat in the jungle, swamp, paddy fields or in the middle of palm plantation around Sumatera and Kalimantan island.

reference: Indonesian Battle Tank | Sandya Kala ning ...

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and that factor too yes

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right, that is exactly what i am talking about. That is my point. So what do you mean to say? Do you want more vehciles that are the same but has a different flag slapped to the side of it?

yeah they also have quite an extensive air vehicles that can help with the sub-tree as well, surprised not to see that one in the forum though

Here are some planes+helicopters (BR and image is just placeholder):

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it is a copy paste because a real world situation. you complaining about copy and paste is irrelevant because German and Sweden gonna have similar tank Leo 2A7/8 and Strv 122, oh hey they also have T-80 there. you complaining here. make 0 impact.

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