Hypothetical Korea-Japan tech tree

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Japan:

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  • Te-Ke (Light Vehicle line, Rank I, Reserve BR); replaces the Ke-Ni as a reserve tank.
  • Ke-Ni (Light Vehicle line, Rank I, 1.0 BR, Ke-Ni folder); replaced by the Te-Ke as a reserve tank and foldered with the Ke-Ni Production and the Ke-To.
  • Ke-Ni Production (Light Vehicle line, Rank I, 1.0 BR, Ke-Ni folder); production version of the Ke-Ni with hexagonal hull and cylindrical turret.
  • Ke-To (Light Vehicle line, Rank I, 1.3 BR, Ke-Ni folder); improvement of the Ke-Ni with the Type 1 37 mm.
  • Type 89 light/medium tank I-Go Ko (Medium Tank line, Rank I, 1.0 BR, I-Go folder); foldered with the I-Go Otsu.
  • I-Go Otsu (Medium Tank line, Rank I, 1.0 BR, I-Go folder); improvement of the I-Go Ko with a diesel engine and a fully sloped frontal hull.
  • Chi-Ha (Medium Tank line, Rank I, 1.3 BR, Chi-Ha/Ke-Nu folder); foldered with the Ke-Nu.
  • Ke-Nu (Medium Tank line, Rank I, 1.3 BR, Chi-Ha/Ke-Nu folder); Ha-Go hull mated with Chi-Ha turret.
  • Ho-Ro (Tank Destroyer line, Rank I, 1.3 BR, Ho-Ro/To folder); foldered with the Ho-To.
  • Ho-To (Tank Destroyer line, Rank I, 1.7 BR, Ho-Ro/To folder); Ha-Go hull turned into casemate for a Type 38 12 cm howitzer with HEAT projectile capable of penetrating 140 mm.
  • Ho-Ru (Tank Destroyer line, Rank I, 2.0 BR); Ha-Go hull turned into casemate for a Type 1 47 mm tank gun model II.
  • Ki-To (Anti-Aircraft line, Rank I, 1.0 BR); Te-Ke hull turned into platform for a Type 98 20 mm anti-aircraft gun.
  • Ka-Ho (Premium, Rank I, 1.3 BR); Chi-Ha with widened hull for two sponson flamethrowers.
  • Chi-Ni (Premium, Rank I, 1.3 BR); competitor to the Chi-Ha and mostly identical in performance.
  • Type 1 Ho-I (Premium, Rank I, 2.0 BR); prototype of the Ho-I with a Type 41 mountain gun instead of a Type 99 7 cm tank gun. Identical performance due to same HEAT projectile.
  • Ke-Ri (Premium, Rank I, 1.0 BR); Ha-Go with a Type 97 5.7 cm tank gun instead of a Type 94 37 mm tank gun. Slower reload than Ke-Nu due to cramped turret.
  • Ke-Ni B (Premium, Rank I, 1.3 BR); prototype of the Ke-Ni with Christie suspension, making it the fastest tank in rank I.
  • Type 94 75 mm (Premium, Rank I, 1.0 BR); Type 94 truck functioning as a portee and SPG with a Type 41 75 mm mountain gun on its bed.
  • Ke-Ho (Light Vehicle line, Rank II, 2.3 BR); light tank with a Type 1 47 mm tank gun model II.
  • Chi-Ha Kai (Medium Tank line, Rank II, 2.3 BR, Chi-Ha Kai/Chi-Ho folder); foldered with the Chi-Ho.
  • Chi-Ho (Medium Tank line, Rank II, 2.3 BR, Chi-Ha Kai/Chi-Ho folder); medium tank with a Type 1 47 mm tank gun model II, practically similar to the Chi-Ha Kai.
  • Ho-I 57 mm (Medium Tank line, Rank II, 2.0 BR, Ho-I/Chi-To 57 mm folder); Ho-I with a experimental 5.7 cm tank gun with AP projectile capable of penetrating 94 mm, instead of the Type 99 7.5 cm tank gun.
  • Chi-To 57 mm (Medium Tank line, Rank II, 2.0 BR, Ho-I/Chi-To 57 mm folder); Chi-To prototype with a experimental 5.7 cm tank gun with AP projectile capable of penetrating 94 mm, instead of the later experimental 7.5 cm tank gun (long) model II.
  • Ho-Ni II (Tank Destroyer line, Rank II, 2.0 BR, Ho-Ni folder); Ho-Ni casemate with a Type 91 10 cm howitzer with HEAT projectile capable of penetrating 120 mm.
  • Chi-Ha Dozer (Premium, Rank II, 2.3 BR); Chi-Ha kai with dozer blade.
  • Ho-Ni I Prototype (Premium, Rank II, 2.0 BR); prototype Ho-Ni. Identical except for a smaller gunshield.
  • Type 56 SY (Premium, Rank II, 2.0 or 2.3 BR); M24 Chaffee chassis turned into casemate for a M2A1 105 mm howitzer, the same gun used by the in-game M4A3(105).
  • Chi-Nu (Medium Tank line, Rank III, 3.3 BR); foldered with the Chi-Nu Kai.
  • Chi-Nu Kai (Medium Tank line, Rank III, 3.3 BR); Chi-Nu hull mated with Chi-To Prototype turret.
  • Ji-Ro (Tank Destroyer line, Rank III, 4.0 BR); Ro-Go hull turned into casemate for a Type 92 10 cm gun with AP projectile capable of penetrating 140~ mm.
  • Chi-Nu Prototype (Premium, Rank III, 3.3 BR); prototype of the Chi-Nu with a Type 90 7.5 cm field gun instead of a Type 3 7.5 cm tank gun. Identical performance to tech tree Chi-Nu.
  • O-I (Premium, Rank III, 4.3 or 4.7 BR); heavy tank with 150 mm frontal armour, two Type 1 47 mm tank gun model II, and a Type 96 15 cm howitzer with HEAT projectiel capable of penetrating 180 mm.
  • Type 60 SPRG (Light Vehicle line, Rank IV, 6.3 BR, Type 60 folder); Type 60 SPRG (C) with worse armour and mobility.
  • Type 60 SPRG (C) (Light Vehicle line, Rank IV, 6.7 BR, Type 60 folder); foldered with the Type 60 SPRG.
  • Type 61 (Medium Tank line, Rank IV, 6.7 BR, Type 61 folder), foldered with the Type 61 (C). Type 61 with slightly different model, no IR lamp, and no smoke grenades…
  • Type 61 (C) (Medium Tank line, Rank IV, 6.7 BR, Type 61 folder); Type 61 with slightly different model, IR lamp, and smoke grenades
  • STA-3 (Medium Tank line, Rank IV, 6.7 BR); unfoldered from the Type 61.
  • Ho-Ri II (Tank Destroyer line, Rank IV, 5.7 BR, Ho-Ri/Ka-To folder); Jagdtiger-style Ho-Ri with flat 75 mm to 125 mm front, rangefinder, hull 37 mm, and twin 20 mm in rear.
  • Ka-To (Tank Destroyer line, Rank IV, 6.0 BR, Ho-Ri/Ka-To folder); SU-100P-style open-top casemate with a experimental 10 cm anti-tank gun. Identical performance to experimental 10 cm tank gun.
  • Type 75 SPH (Tank Destroyer line, Rank IV, 6.3 BR, Type 75/99 SPH folder); foldered with the Type 99 SPH.
  • Type 99 SPH (Tank Destroyer line, Rank IV, 6.7 or 7.0 BR, Type 75/99 SPH folder); SPG with higher-velocity 155 mm gun.
  • Japanese M36 (Premium, Rank IV, 5.7); removed from tech tree and hidden.
  • M24 ATM (Premium, Rank IV, 6.3 BR); M24 Chaffee with four Type 64 ATMs. Similar in performance to the A.M.X. 13 SS.11, but worse. Lower BR than Type 60 ATM due to its inability to hide effectively when guiding.
  • STA-4 (Premium, Rank IV, 6.7 BR); prototype of Type 61. Performance is identical to it.
  • 1/4t Type 60 (Premium, Rank IV, 6.0 to 6.3 BR); 1/4-ton light truck with a Type 60 106 mm recoilless gun.
  • Type 73 ATM (Premium, Rank IV, 6.3 BR); Type 73 shin light truck with two rearwards-facing Type 64 ATMs.
  • Type 74 (Medium Tank line, Rank V, 8.3 BR); Type 74 with only APDS and HESH.
  • Japanese M47 (Premium, Rank V, 7.3 BR); removed from tech tree and hidden.
  • Ho-Ri Production (Premium, Rank V, 7.3 BR); removed from tech tree and hidden.
  • STB-4 (Premium, Rank V, 8.3 BR); long-turret STB prototype with a dozer.
  • RCV 20 mm (Premium, Rank V, 7.3 BR); initial prototype of the Type 87 RCV with a 20 mm Rh 202 gun.
  • CTWV ICV (Light Vehicle line, Rank VI, 8.3 BR); Common Tactical Wheeled Vehicle in Infantry Combat Vehicle configuration with a 30 mm Mk. 44 Bushmaster.
  • Type 74 (D) (Medium Tank line, Rank VI, 8.7 BR); Type 74 with only APFSDS and HESH.
  • Type 87 (Anti-Aircraft line, Rank VI, 8.3 BR, K-30/Type 87 folder); foldered with the K-30.
  • Universal AFV (Premium, Rank VI, 8.7 BR); Universal Vehicle hull mated with the Type 89 turret.
  • B87 (Premium, Rank VI, 8.3 BR); prototype of the Type 89 with a Oerlikon 25 mm and two Type 79 ATM.
  • CTWV RCV (Premium, Rank VI, 8.3 BR); Common Tactical Wheeled Vehicle in Reconnaissance Caution Vehicle configuration with a 30 mm Mk. 44 Bushmaster.
  • Type 74 (E) Urban (Squadron, Rank VI, 9.0 BR); Type 74 (E) in a urban OPFOR outfit with a dozer and applique armour.
  • Type 16 (Tank Destroyer line, Rank VII, 9.3 BR); foldered with the Type 16 Late.
  • Type 16 Late (Tank Destroyer line, Rank VII, 9.3 BR); C5 batch Type 16. Performs identically to the Type 16.
  • Chu-MPM (Missile Tank Destroyer line, Rank VII, at or between 10.0 to 11.7 BR); High Mobility Vehicle with 6 lock-on-after-launch top-down attack missiles for anti-tank and anti-boat purposes, limited anti-helicopter capability.

Korea:

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  • K-300 Vulcan (Anti-Aircraft line, Rank IV, at or between 6.0 to 7.0 BR); K-300 truck with a 20 mm M61 Vulcan on its bed in a turret.
  • K-55A1 (Premium, Rank IV, 6.3 BR); upgrade of the K-55, the Korean license-production of the M106A2. Performs identically to the Type 75 SPH.
  • KAFV-90 (Premium, Rank IV, 6.7 BR); K-200 hull with Cockerill 90 mm Mk. III in a turret. Performs similarly to the C 13.
  • Korean M46 (Korean line, Rank V, 7.0 BR); copy-paste M46.
  • Korean M47 (Korean line, Rank V, 7.7 BR); copy-paste M47 with indigenous APFSDS.
  • M48A3K (Korean line, Rank V, 8.0 BR, M48A3K/5K folder); same engine as the M60 with indigenous APFSDS.
  • M48A5K1 (Korean line, Rank V, 8.3 or 8.7 BR, M48A3K/5K folder); same engine and gun as the M60 with indigenous APFSDS.
  • M48A5K2 (Korean line, Rank V, 8.3 or 8.7 BR, M48A3K/5K folder); identical to M48A5K1 except for its low profile cupola.
  • K-9 (Tank Destroyer line, Rank V, 7.0 BR); SPG with high-velocity 155 mm gun.
  • K-9A1 (Tank Destroyer line, Rank V, 7.7 BR); upgrade of K-9 with a laser rangefinder and thermals.
  • K-9A2 (Tank Destroyer line, Rank V, 8.0 BR); upgrade of K-9A1 with a quicker reload.
  • K-113 (Missile Tank Destroyer line, Rank V, 7.7 or 8.0 BR); K-111 light truck with a TOW launcher.
  • K-200A Metis-M (Missile Tank Destroyer line, Rank V, 8.3 BR); K-200A1 APC with a Metis-M ATGm and a .50 cal gun.
  • K-263A1 (Anti-Aircraft line, Rank V, 7.7 BR); K-200A1 APC with a M61 Vulcan. Performs similarly to the M163.
  • M48A5KW (Premium, Rank V, 8.3 or 8.7 BR); M48A5K2 with no sideskirts.
  • KAFV-30M (Premium, Rank V, at or between 8.0 to 9.0 BR); K-200 APC with a MK 30 gun in an unmanned turret.
  • K-9PL (Premium, Rank V, 7,7 BR); K-9A1 export to Poland. Performs identically to it.
  • K-21 (Light Vehicle line, Rank VI, 9.3 or 9.7 BR); IFV with 40 mm gun with APFSDS and programmable HE, and two ATGMs.
  • K-153C (Missile Tank Destroyer line, Rank VI, 8.7 or 9.0 BR); Raycolt vehicle with two Raycolt ATGMs.
  • K-30 (Anti-Aircraft line, Rank VI, 8.0 BR, K-30/Type 87 folder); SPAAG with twin 30 mm.
  • K21-105 (Premium, Rank VI, 10.0 BR); K-21 hull with the Cockerill 105HP turret.
  • AS-21 (Light Vehicle line, Rank VI, at or between 10.0 to 11.0 BR); K-21 for export to Australia. Modified with a 30 mm gun, Spike-LR, Ironfist APS, and additional armour.
  • K-1 (Korean line, Rank VII, 10.3 BR, K-1/E1 folder); MBT based off Chrysler XM1, largely identical in performance to M1 Abrams.
  • K-1E1 (Korean line, Rank VII, 10.7 or 11.0 BR, K-1/E1 folder); K-1 improved with 2nd generation thermals, a better APFSDS, and better armour (500-600 mm KE LOS).
  • K-1A1 (Korean line, Rank VII, 11.3 or 11.7 BR, K-1A1/A2 folder); K-1 improved with 2nd generation thermals, a 120 mm gun, and better armour (500-600 mm KE LOS). Largely identical to K-1E1 except for the gun.
  • K-1A2 (Korean line, Rank VII, 11.3 or 11.7 BR, K1A1/A2 folder); K-1A1 improved with 3rd generation thermals.
  • K-2 (Korean line, Rank VII, 11.7 or 12.0+ BR); relative to K-1A2: improved armour, soft-kill APS, improved mobility, KSTAM top-down attack barrel-launched projectile, and improved gun and ammunition.
  • KW2 Jupiter (Tank Destroyer line, Rank VII, 11.0 or 11.3 BR); K-808 with 120 mm gun.
  • Bihobokhap (Anti-Aircraft line, Rank VII, 9.7 BR); K-30 with four KP-SAM MANPADs.
  • K-31 (Anti-Aircraft line, Rank VII, 11.7 BR); SAM with Crotal system and indigenous missiles with 15 km range, 8 km ceiling, 35 G maneuverability, 3.5 mach speed, and 13 kg warhead.
  • K21-120 (Squadron, Rank VII, 11.0 or 11.3 BR); K21 with the Cockerill 120HP turret.
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One can dream.

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Yeah… no… I’d rather have independent Korean tech tree with NK and SK stuff in it.

Here is what Japanese tree should be

Note: The BRs are based on historical performance and I’m aware that with their current War Thunder performance they would suffer at the my proposed BRs.

Light Line
Tier 1:
Type 95 Ha-Go (1936) - Reserve
Type 95 Ha-Go (1937) - Reserve
Type 95 Ha-Go (1938) - Reserve
Type 3 Ke-Ri - 1.0BR [Premium]
Type 4 Ke-Nu - 1.3BR
Type 98 Ke-Ni - 1.3BR
Type 98 Ke-Ni Otsu - 1.3BR [Premium]
Type 2 Ka-Mi - 1.7BR

Tier 2
Type 2 Ke-To - 2.0BR
Type 3 Ka-Chi - 2.3BR
Type 5 To-Ku - 2.7BR [Premium]
Type 5 Ke-Ho - 2.7BR

Tier 3
Type 5 Ke-Ho II - 3.0BR
M24 Chafee - 3.7BR

Tier 4
M41A1 SDF - 6.0BR
M41A3 SDF - 6.7BR
Type 60 SPRG - 7.0BR

Tier 5
Type 87 RCV (P) - 7.7BR
Type 87 RCV - 8.3BR

Tier 6
Type 89 IFV - 8.7BR
CTWV - 8.7BR
CCV40 - 9.7BR

Tier 7
Chu-MPM - 10.3BR

Medium Line
Tier 1
Type 89 I-Go - 1.0BR
Type 97 Chi-Ha - 1.3BR
Type 97 Chi-Ho - 2.0BR [Premium]
Type 97 Chi-Ha Kai - 2.3BR

Tier 2
Type 2 Ho-I - 2.3BR
Type 1 Chi-He - 2.7BR
Type 2 Ho-I (57mm) - 3.0BR [Premium]
Type 3 Chi-Nu - 3.7BR

Tier 3
Type 3 Chi-Nu Kai - 4.3BR (Type 1 APHE)
Type 3 Chi-Nu II - 5.0BR (Tokku Kou AP)
Type 4 Chi-To - 5.3BR
Type 4 Chi-To Late - 5.3BR
M4A3 (76) SDF - 5.7BR [Premium]

Tier 4
Type 5 Chi-Ri II - 5.7BR
STA-1 - 6.0BR (M318A1 / M71)
STA-2 - 6.3BR (M318A1 / M71)
STA-4 - 6.3BR (M318A1 / M71) [Premium]
STA-3 - 6.7BR (M318A1 / M71)

Tier 5
Type 61 - 7.3BR (Type 70)
Type 61 (B) - 7.3BR (Type 70) [Premium]
STB-1 - 8.0BR (M392 / Type 75)
Type 74C - 8.3BR (M392 / Type 91)

Tier 6
Type 74E - 9.0BR (M735 / Type 91)
Type 74F - 9.3BR (Type 93 / Type 91)
Type 74G - 9.7BR (Type 93 / Type 91)
STC-1 - 10.3BR (JM23 / JM12)
STC-2 - 10.7BR (JM23 / JM12) [Premium]

Tier 7
Type 90 - 11.0BR (JM33 / JM12)
Type 90B - 11.0BR (JM33 / JM12)
TKX - 11.7BR (Type 10 / JM12)
Type 10 - 11.7BR (Type 10 / JM12)

Anti Air Line
Tier 1
Type 94 SPAAG - 1.3BR

Tier 2
Ta-Se - 2.0BR
So-Ki - 3.0BR

Tier 3
M42 SDF - 5.0BR

Tier 4
SUB-I-II - 6.3BR

Tier 5
AWX SPAAG - 7.7BR (No Radar, no APDS)
Type 87 SPAAG - 8.3BR (Radar and APDS)

Tier 6
Type 93 SAM - 9.7BR

Tier 7
Type 81C - 11.0BR
Type 11 - 11.7BR

Tank Destroyer Line
Tier 1
Type 92 HAC - 1.0BR
Type 4 Ho-Ro - 1.7BR
Type 5 Ho-Ru - 1.7BR

Tier 2
Type 1 Ho-Ni I - 2.3BR (Type 1 APHE)
Chi-Ha LG - 2.7BR [Premium]
Type 3 Ho-Ni III - 3.0BR (Tokku Kou AP)
Type 5 Na-To - 3.7BR (Type 1 APHE)

Tier 3
O-I - 5.7BR *

Tier 4
M36B2 SDF - 6.0BR
Type 75 SPH - 6.3BR
Type 60 ATM - 7.0BR

Tier 5
Type 99 SPH - 8.0BR

Tier 6
Type 16 FPS - 9.0BR (M735)

Tier 7
Type 16 - 9.7BR (Type 93 APFSDS)

*O-I was made to be a moving fortified SPG on Manchurian plains, but it’s more of a heavy tank.

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Corrections

Should be Shinchu-MAT (suggestion soon), Chu-MPM is a multi-vehicle system iirc

Add Type 91 Kai missile

10.3 maxium and add Type 11 Tan-SAM Kai II for 11.7

There is also Type 10(B) with Dozer which can be added as well - but won´t solve the issues

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This is the 35mm APDS found on Type 89 IFV
0.388kg projectile at 1440m/s
Good estimate for penetrator weight is 0.188kg

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Now is 17 Pounder APDS which is 38mm thick carbide core weighing 1.74kg can penetrate 272mm of steel at 1204m/s

The 35mm APDS with 18mm thick carbide core weighing roughly 0.188kg at 1440m/s should have roughly 160mm of penetration.
Currently it’s only 127mm of penetration.

The 20mm DM63 APDS is underperforming even more
Which effects SUB-I-II and Type 87 RCV (P)

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Type 89C is the 14km version which has active Radar guided missiles

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Which afaik can´t be used without the FCS, it would be limited to the IR / Light Wave missiles. Unless you can prove otherwise.

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They can just get a second ai vehicle to follow you around as a new implemented mechanic

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They already said multiple times that multi-vehicle systems wont come. I asked not too long ago and got the answer that such are not considered as options for new SAM.

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Type 11 SAM literally requires the same thing as Type 89C

Gaijin said many things won’t come and here we are.
It’s not like they can’t do it, they do know how. Look at enlisted ai soldiers.

All they would need to model is ai vehicle following you around and if it gets destroyed you’ll be limited to secondary options.

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It doesn´t. The JGSDF version of the Type 11 can be operated independently. (Type 81 mod.C btw, not Type 89C).

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Which afaik can´t be used without the FCS, it would be limited to the IR / Light Wave missiles. Unless you can prove otherwise.

The radar missiles should be able to used without the FCS vehicle since they’re active radar homing, rather than semi-active or passive radar homing which would otherwise rely on a radar vehicle to lock on their initial targets. However, I didn’t put either the Type 81 (C) or the Type 11 in the tree since they are a bit rule-breaking. It is what nearly got my original Type 81 (C) suggestion in the old forum bonked, since the system isn’t entirely self-contained and, at the minimum, requires the usage of an exterior control panel and optical aiming device in order to function. That, of course, could be handwaved away with a setup timer before the vehicle is able to fire. But, South Korea provides a solution to that issue without having to add either of those two vehicles.

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Without adjusting this for current BRs, then the list is kind of useless. A significant part of your rank I would be unusable in-game: the Type 92 HAC and the Ha-Go don’t have enough penetration for even 1.0. The 6.0-8.0 BRs also rely on… Dubious BRs. Why would the Type 61s be at 7.3 for having HEATFS? They already do, and they are perfectly balanced at 6.7.

I did forget to add the Chi-Ho to my tree tho.

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Looking at Pantsir and new A2G armament, both additions are justified and needed imo.

I couldn´t find any prove for that, neither in your suggestion (maybe I overlooked it) nor on my research, but found smth only for Type 11.
Btw let me invite you to our Server.

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The Pantsir is able to operate independently while, unlike the Type 81 (C) or the Type 11, their control systems are actually integrated into the launchers themselves in a cabin just behind the driver’s cabin. It’s an explicit function of it. Depending on its mission profile, it either operates alone, or operates as apart of the battery with a single Pantsir launcher selected as the command vehicle, or as apart of a battery with a dedicated fire control vehicle.

I’m not familiar with what A2G armament you are referring to, though.

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90mm HEATFS is getting buffed and honestly 6.7BR is low. It makes tanks like Tiger II suffer etc. The tank can kill 8.0BR tanks just as easily as 6.7BR tanks with its HEATFS and you can actually one shot T-54 or Leopard 1 easier than Tiger II.

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That’s bollocks. The Tiger II isn’t suffering from it, unless they’re so inept as to not just… Shoot the Type 61. Their gun is able to destroy the Type 61 far more easily than the Type 61 is able to destroy the Tiger II, which, from the front, only the HEATFS is capable of doing any meaningful damage to it. The Leopard 1 is a far more mobile tank and the T-54 has a far better gun, better armour, while still retaining decent mobility. The Type 61 isn’t equal to either of those.

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Fixed Penetration

Type 94 37mm (Ha-Go) [1936]
Type 94 AP (0.7kg at 575m/s)
43mm @ 0m (0 Degrees)
18mm @ 0m (60 Degrees)

Type 98 37mm (Ha-Go) [1938]
Type 94 AP (0.7kg at 685m/s)
54mm @ 0m (0 Degrees)
23mm @ 0m (60 Degrees)

Type 1 AP (0.726kg at 701m/s)
56mm @ 0m (0 Degrees)
24mm @ 0m (60 Degrees)

Type 1 37mm (Type 2 Ka-Mi)
Type 1 APHE (0.726kg at 800m/s)
64mm @ 0m (0 Degrees)
28mm @ 0m (60 Degrees)

50% chance of bounce should be at like 70 degrees
NOT, 50% at 60 degrees…

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Fixed M318A1 APBC would penetrate
222mm @ 0m (0)
88mm @ 0m (60)

The APBC would be enough for Tiger II H turret front, to bully that 80mm turret cheeks if they aren’t facing Type 61 and it would be good enough to clap Panther upper plate from 1750m whilst keeping full bore AP post pen damage.

Buffed HEAT-FS makes armour of most tanks useless and will do more damage than now. It would be essentially a much faster Tiger II with same firepower in kinetic terms but gets laser range finder and HEATFS as well at same BR.

Type 61 would still be 7.3 vs Leopard 1 at 8.0

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There’s also an option to buff STA-1, STA-2, STA-4, Type 61 rate of fire from 7.7 sec to 6.0 sec (10 RPM)

And buff STA-3 semi autoloader reload from 6.0 sec to 4.0 sec (15RPM)

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All of this relies on Gaijin abandoning their penetration calculator system, which they wouldn’t.