Hungarian Ground Forces

Do you want to see Hungary in game!
  • Yes, as in a V4 tech tree.
  • Yes, as a reverse israel style tech tree.
  • Yes, as a sub-tree in Italy.
  • Yes, as an independent tech-tree.
  • Yes! I dont care about what form it would come.
  • No! There are better options.
  • No! I dont want it.

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Hungarian ground forces

Description!

Hello there, I have been working on this for a while, finally I put it together and can post it. This is about Hungarian tanks, and vehicles. This post will have vehicles from the first world war, second world war, cold war and finally the modern day and age. I will arrange to ranks and vehicle names so it will be easier to navigate.

I did not put the vehicles history in because the post is already really long and some vehicles history is not known because it was destroyed or only a handful people know that I am not in contact with.

Hungary has only a few vehicles in game, this is to show that there are more vehicles that could be in game. Addition of these vehicles would greatly improve the representation of Hungary, and could help rarely known vehicles be known to the public. There are dosens of great vehicles and unique ones that could be in game like the Buzogányvető vehicles, which had the worlds first Heavy anti-tank rockets attached to them.

Even in the cold war there were some designs and vehicles, even though Hungary in the cold war was not really strong in the military industry. And after the cold war there were modernisation of vehicles and ERA development.

This is for the visualisation of the quantity what hungary has to offer to War Thunder.The tech tree mockup is for the visualisation of how Hungary could work in game and the amount of vehicles its got to offer.

My idea of hungary

I think a V4 tech tree would be great for hungary and for the other countries, it would solve the problem where those 4 countries would go, it would have a lot of vehicles to play and would the same size as a major nation. (This is just my opinion, its on Gaijin where will Hungary be put!)

Potential future Hungarian vehicles that can be added

Well, some of you may know that Hungary is modernising its army right now.

Its called Zrínyi 2026, but some people call it Zrínyi 2030 because of amount of military procurement thats been happening.

Now the future vehicles can be the Hitron IFV, which will be made in Kaposvar. It is an 8x8 or 6x6 hybrid driven IFV. Only a mockup was shown at the Eurosatory 2022. Where only high ranking personal could view it. It is said that Hungarian and german engineers are developing it together. Here is the Hitron.

There will be more KF-41 versions like SPAA and mortar version.

There is potential for ATGM carrying Gidrán vehicles.

And lastly, possible Hungarian modernisation program or programs for vehicles.

The tech tree:

Foldered tech tree

The Vehicles:

Rank I
38.M Toldi I (A.20):

38.M Toldi I (A.20):

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Designed 1936-38
Manufacturer MÁVAG, Ganz Works
Produced 1939–1942
Mass: Toldi I: 8.5 t
Length: 4.75 m (15 ft 7 in)
Width: 2.14 m (7 ft 0 in)
Height: 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in)
Crew: 3
Armor Toldi I: 6-13 mm
Main armament: 20 mm 36M Solothurn AT gun (loaded in magazines, 4 piece in one magazine, the shell had 1,4 g of explosives (TNT or PETN and later 50/50 pentolite) and could penetrate 24mm of armour at 60 degrees from 100 meters.
Secondary armament: 1x 8 mm (0.31 in) Gebauer machine gun
Engine: Büssing-NAG L8V 7.9 litres 155 hp
Power/weight: 19 hp/t
Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph) on road
rate of fire: 22-26 rpm

Sources: 38M Toldi - Wikipedia
38M Toldi I – Wikipédia
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/
38M - Elfnet.hu
https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/07/part-iii-hungarian-shell-types-and-armor-plates
https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/21/tanks-guns

42.M Toldi II (B.20)

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Almost same as the Toldi but its got some differences.

First of all, it gets an antenna that you can see in the pictures. Some visual differences on the turret and it’s got a stronger suspension, so it would not wobble that much. The machinegun is belt fed, 100 rounds instead of 25 like on the A.20.

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/

38M - Elfnet.hu

42M Toldi II – Wikipédia

42.M Toldi IIA (B.40)

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armor:
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Mass: 9.3 t

Length: 4.75 m (15 ft 7 in)

Width: 2.14 m (7 ft 0 in)

Height: 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in)

Crew: 3

Armor: 6 – 35mm

Main armament: 37/42.M 40 mm L/43

Secondary armament: 1x 8 mm (0.31 in) Gebauer machine gun

Engine Büssing-NAG L8V 7.9 litres: 155 hp

Power/weight: 19 hp/t

Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph) on road

ammunition: 55 pieces

rate of fire: 16 rpm

penetration: 36.M páncélgránát (APHEBC-T) 60 degrees, 100m, 46mm can be penetrated, later they were issued with the 43.M magvas páncélgránátot (APBC-T), which the Nimród SPAA used. The Toldi IIA could fire it as well and had more penetration.

sources: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/

https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/21/tanks-guns

https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/21/tanks-guns

Toldi II könnyű harckocsi - A II. világháború fegyverei, járművei

42M Toldi II – Wikipédia

38M Toldi - Wikipedia

I know this tank is in game already but I wanted to include it.

Toldi IIAK

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Mass: 9.85 t

Length: 4.75 m (15 ft 7 in)

Width: 2.21 m with the skirts

Height: 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in)

Crew: 3

Armor: 6 – 35mm

Main armament: 37/42.M 40 mm L/43

Secondary armament: 1x 8 mm (0.31 in) Gebauer machine gun

Engine Büssing-NAG L8V 7.9 litres: 155 hp

Power/weight: 16 hp/t

Maximum speed: 43 km/h (31 mph) on road

ammunition: 55 pieces

rate of fire: 16 rpm

A Toldi IIA fitted with side skirts against AT rifles. the skirts had complicated forms. 18 pieces of metal was fitted onto the tank, 9-9 per side. the skirts were 70mm away from the tank and were reinforced with metal rods. The skirts had a thickness of 5-8 mm.

Sources: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/

42M Toldi II – Wikipédia

39.M Csaba

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39.M Csaba: Service history

In service: 1939 - 1945

Designer: Nicholas Straussler

Designed: 1930s

Manufacturer: Weiss Manfred, Csepel

Produced: 1939 - 1944

No. built: 102-137

Specifications

Mass: 5.95 tonnes

Length: 14 ft 8 in (4.52 m)

Width: 6 ft 10 in (2.1 m)

Height: 7 ft 4 in (2.27 m)

Crew: 3

Armour: 9 mm

Main armament: 1 × 20 mm Solothurn 36M anti-tank cannon

Secondary armament: 1 × 8 mm Gebauer 1934/37M coaxial machine gun

1 × 8 mm detachable Solothurn light machine gun

Engine: Ford, 8-cylinder 90 hp

Operational range: 93 mi (150 km)

Maximum speed: 65-85 km/h (40-53 mph)

(note the back machinegun)

In 1932, the first post-World War II Hungarian armored car (designed by Miklós Straussler), the AC1, was completed (the man is known in the UK as Nicholas Straussler, he later designed the floating tanks for the Allies, e.g. the Valentine DD or the Sherman DD).

The Hungarian Weiss Manfréd factory, which built the combat vehicle, could not put armor on the AC1 (because that would have violated the Versailles peace treaty), but they also got around this. The prototype was shipped to the UK where Alvis Car and Engineering Company Ltd fitted the armor plating onto the vehicle.

After Hitler came to power in 1933, events accelerated: in 1935, the improved AC2 appeared, followed by the AC3 (this was necessary, as the original design was good already, but at the same time impractical and only carried a single machine gun).

The Weiss Manfréd factory soon stopped producing frames, but the newly formed Alvis-Straussler joint venture continued the production of AC-3s. The Weiss Manfréd Acél- és Fémművek had orders regarding the vehicle: in Hungary, they started to produce an improved version of the AC2, under the name 39.M. The nickname Csaba was used for the armored car (after the son of the Hun Atilla).

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sources: 39M - Elfnet.hu

39M Csaba – Wikipédia

39M Csaba - Wikipedia

AC II Páncélgépkocsi

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Its got some differences than the Csaba vehicle, it has the same engine but the rear is completely different.

length: 4520mm

width: 2100mm

weight: 5,8 t

engine: 100hp

gear: 5 forward and 5 reverse gears

top speed: 90km/h forward and reverse

armor: 9mm

Crew: 4

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Source: Járműgyártás a csepeli Weiss Manfréd gyárban · KozlekedesiMuzeum
sources: 39M - Elfnet.hu

40.M Turán

40.M Turán I:

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In service: 1942-1945

User: Kingdom of Hungary

Wars: World War II

Designer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG

Manufacturer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG

Produced: 1940-1943

Quantity produced: 289

Weight: 18.2 tons (18.7 tons with skirts)

Length: 5530 mm

Width: 2440 mm (with skirts 2650 mm)

Height: 2355 mm

Crew: 5 people (commander, gunner, loader, radio machine gun operator, driver)

Armor: 13-50 mm

Main armament: 1 x 40 mm 41.M L/51 tank gun

Penetration: 60 degrees-100m-47.5mm

Secondary armament: 2 x 8 mm 34/40.AM Gebauer machine guns

Engine: 8-cylinder Weiss Manfréd V-8 H4 (260 HP, 194 kW)

Specific power: 14.3 HP/t (with skirts 13.9 HP/t)

Gearbox: 6 forward and 6 reverse

Suspension: leaf spring

Ground clearance: 380 mm

Fuel volume: 265 l

Range: 165 km

Speed: On road: 47.2 km/h (with skirts 46 km/h)

Sources: 40M - Elfnet.hu

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/

https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/17/part-iii-the-turán-tank-family

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11707/1/Haditechnika_1986.pdf

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11716/1/Haditechnika_1994.pdf

40.M Turán I Late

40.M Turán I Late:

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In service: 1942-1945

User: Kingdom of Hungary

Wars: World War II

Designer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG

Manufacturer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG

Produced: 1940-1943

Quantity produced: 289

Weight: 18.2 tons (18.7 tons with skirts)

Length: 5530 mm

Width: 2440 mm (with skirts 2650 mm)

Height: 2355 mm

Crew: 5 people (commander, gunner, loader, radio machine gun operator, driver)

Armor: 13-50 mm

Main armament: 1 x 40 mm 41.M L/51 tank gun

Penetration: 60 degrees-100m-47.5mm

Secondary armament: 2 x 8 mm 34/40.AM Gebauer machine guns

Engine: 8-cylinder Weiss Manfréd V-8 H4 (260 HP, 194 kW)

Specific power: 14.3 HP/t (with skirts 13.9 HP/t)

Gearbox: 6 forward and 6 reverse

Suspension: leaf spring

Ground clearance: 380 mm

Fuel volume: 265 l

Range: 165 km

Speed: On road: 47.2 km/h (with skirts 46 km/h)

Sources: 40M - Elfnet.hu

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/

https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/17/part-iii-the-turán-tank-family

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11707/1/Haditechnika_1986.pdf

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11716/1/Haditechnika_1994.pdf

The difference between the late Turán and the earlier one is that this could get the APBC-T shell which was used by the Nimróds, late in the war (this shell has higher penetration). This could also have side skirts which would boost its protection against HEAT rounds.

40.M Turán I M

40.M Turán I M
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Interesting thing about this Turán that it has 60mm of armor and not the usual 50mm. Because these were the early Turáns it does not get the better AP shell from the Nimród and it does not get side skirts.

The 60mm armor is built up by a 35 and a 25mm armor plate.
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Here on the picture you can see the two plates.

Thanks for Miltaccfd, for sharing the picture and the source :)

Designer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG

Manufacturer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG

Weight: around 18-19 t

Length: 5530 mm

Width: 2440 mm (with skirts 2650 mm)

Height: 2355 mm

Crew: 5 people (commander, gunner, loader, radio machine gun operator, driver)

Armor: 13-60 mm

Main armament: 1 x 40 mm 41.M L/51 tank gun

Penetration: 60 degrees-100m-47.5mm

Secondary armament: 2 x 8 mm 34/40.AM Gebauer machine guns

Engine: 8-cylinder Weiss Manfréd V-8 H4 (260 HP, 194 kW)

Gearbox: 6 forward and 6 reverse

Suspension: leaf spring

Ground clearance: 380 mm

Fuel volume: 265 l

Speed: On road: 47.2 km/h (with skirts 46 km/h)

Source:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677523784324087828/945225356883931156/unknown.png

Bombay, Gyarmati, Turcsányi: Harckocsik 1916-tól napjainkig, page 100, ISBN: 9633273323

Again thanks to Miltaccfd!

V-4 first version

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We can see the backside of the V-4, and one part of the transmission where we can equip a propeller.
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Length: (with propeller) 5000mm

Full width: 2200mm

Width with pontoons: around 5000mm

Height (with turret): 2700mm

Weight: 10 t

top speed: 60-45 km/h (on wheels), 40-32 km/h (on tracks), 8 km/h (on water)

armor: 10 – 26mm

Weapons: primary: 37.M 40mm cannon, secondary: one twin 37/37M 8mm gebauer machinegun in the hull

Gears: 5 forward and 5 reverse gears

Engine: Manfréd Weiss 8-cylinder 180hp

Crew: 3 – cammander/gunner, machine gunner, driver

features: can be equipped with pontoons for extra armour against heat or to be amphibious.

Sources: Straussler V-4 - Wikipedia

Magyartank - G-Portál

Járműgyártás a csepeli Weiss Manfréd gyárban · KozlekedesiMuzeum

http://hadmernok.hu/182_05_nemeth.pdf

V-4 second version

V-4 second version:
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Length: (with propeller) 5000mm

Full width: 2200mm

Width with pontoons: around 5000mm

Height (with turret): 2700mm

Weight: 12 t

top speed: 60-45 km/h (on wheels), 40-32 km/h (on tracks), 8 km/h (on water)

armor: 10 – 26mm

Weapons: primary: 37.M 40mm cannon, secondary: two twin 37/37M 8mm gebauer machinegun in the hull

Gears: 5 forward and 5 reverse gears

Engine: Manfréd Weiss 8-cylinder 180 hp

Crew: 4 – gunner, commander, machine gunner, driver

features: can be equipped with pontoons for extra armour against heat or to be amphibious.

Sources: Straussler V-4 - Wikipedia

Magyartank - G-Portál

Járműgyártás a csepeli Weiss Manfréd gyárban · KozlekedesiMuzeum

http://hadmernok.hu/182_05_nemeth.pdf

This is the V-3 but the pontoons are compatible with the V-4 tanks.

42.M Toldi IIA (B.40) Prototype

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Mass: 9.2 t

Length: 4.75 m (15 ft 7 in)

Width: 2.14 m (7 ft 0 in)

Height: 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in)

Crew: 3

Armor: 6 – 13 mm

Main armament: 37/42.M 40 mm L/43

Secondary armament: 1x 8 mm (0.31 in) Gebauer machine gun

Engine Büssing-NAG L8V 7.9 litres: 155 hp

Power/weight: 19 hp/t

Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph) on road

ammunition: 55 pieces

Similar to the B.40 but had differences that could impact the game. First of all, it does not have a box on the back of the turret which will result the tank to wobble a lot more, which is not good. It does not have thicker armor and it gets the same gun as the V-4 tank, the 40mm 37.M cannon. Which has lower penetration values because it has a lower muzzle velocity.

sources: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/

https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/21/tanks-guns

https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2/single-post/2018/01/21/tanks-guns

Toldi II könnyű harckocsi - A II. világháború fegyverei, járművei

42M Toldi II – Wikipédia

38M Toldi - Wikipedia

Rába botond Schwarzlose

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Designed: 1938

Manufacturer: MWG

Produced: 1938–1948

Mass: 3950 kg

Length: 5,700 mm

Width: 2,080 mm

Height: 2,550 mm

Crew: minimum 2 but should be more because its easy to kill

Engine: 4 cylinder petrol of 4,330 cm3 70 hp

Maximum speed: 60 km/h

Weapon: Schwarzlose machinegun

rate of fire: 600-880 round per minute

Sources: 38M Botond - Wikipedia

IMCDb.org: 1938 Rába Botond 38M in "Mesélő cégtáblák: Az Ikarus, 1998"

Schwarzlose machine gun - Wikipedia

https://second-world-war-hu.webnode.hu/tengely-hatalmak/tengely-hatalmak-szallitojarmuvei-/magyar-szallitojarmuvek/

Opel blitz gebauer

Opel blitz gebauer:

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During the development of the gebauer motor driven wing machineguns, a thought came that it could be used as an anti-aircraft weapon. A development was carried out during 1940-1942. The AA machine gun was modified throught the development and these modifications increased the machine guns weight to 18,2 kg. An AA mount - which weighted 197,4 kg was developed but had some issues. Like for example the MGs fire rate was too high, around 1800-2000 rounds per minute. In the end the development stopped.

Dimensions : 5.95-6.02 x 2.26-2.34 x 2,17-3,18 m (19.8 ft x 7.4 ft x 9 ft)

Total weight: 2,100-3,350 Tonnes max. (4,630 Ibs)

Payload : 2.3 to 3.5 tons ()

Crew : 1 driver

Propulsion : Opel 4 cylinders, 3626 cc, 68- hp at 3800 rpm, or 6-cyl 74 hp

Speed : 80 km/h (50 mph)

Range (road/off road) : 300 to 400 km (255 miles)

Weapon: Gebauer 8mm motor driven machiegun

Fire rate: 1800-2000/minute

Source: https://live.warthunder.com/post/734487/en/ https://truck-encyclopedia.com/ww2/germany/Opel-Blitz.php

Krupp protze 20mm

Krupp Protze 20mm:

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Mass: 2,600 kg (5,700 lb) / more with the Buzogányvető

Length: 5.10 m (16 ft 9 in)

Width: 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in)

Height: 1.96 m (6 ft 5 in)

Armor: None

Engine: Krupp Boxer motor, 3.3 liters or 60 hp

Same gun as on the flakpanzer

Source:
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp_Protze
Maximum speed: 70 km/h (43 mph)

Csepel 130 DSHK

Csepel 130 DSHK:

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Mass: 3500 kg without the DSHK

Length: 4840mm

Width: 2150mm

Height: 2070 mm

engine: 85 hp

Weapon: DSHK 12.7mm

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DShK

https://www.autoszektor.hu/hu/content/magyar-konnyulovassag-csepeli-geppel-hadiipar-7

https://www.retromobil.hu/2013/07/02/csepel-130/

Rába V. R. tehergépkocsi with 5/8M 8 cm AA gun

Rába V. R. tehergépkocsi with 5/8M 8 cm AA gun:

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The truck is a licence made Czech Praga truck, Hungary started making them from 1913.
weapon is the 5/8M 8 cm AA gun. It’s got some APHE ammunition too. It has low pen so it could fit nicely in lower br-s.
sources: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rába_Járműipari_Holding
https://totalcar.hu/magazin/szerelem/2021/10/24/volt-egyszer-egy-raba-magyar-waggon--es-gepgyar/
https://www.facebook.com/133103693526711/photos/rába-vr-lövegkocsi-rába-v-alvázon-páncélozott-motorburkolattal-58-as-légvédelmi-/140006156169798/?paipv=0&eav=AfajGaqcYTgJGT_dsKp6LkrjXMIW7SfikSPaK03b2HtWv23VlxhnkyJZ-EJsoLXSOYs&_rdr
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11365/1/HT_2016-1_internet.pdf

44.M Toldi I egészségügyi

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In 1944, some Toldi tanks were converted into a medical vehicle, however, the only serious thing the conversion changed was the widening of the right-side turret hatch and the reduction of the amount of ammunition carried in the vehicle. In March 1944, 9 Toldi tanks wer converted in the Ganz factory, the converted medical tanks were handed over to the military during the summer.

It is almost the same as the Toldi I (A.20), only the right side turret hatch was changed and it carries less ammo. All other things are the same. Also it would have the red cross.

Could have a special mechanic where you could heal other team members crews, or give one crew personal to a team member.

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Sources

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http://real-j.mtak.hu/11712/1/Haditechnika_1991.pdf at page 231

https://live.warthunder.com/post/539143/en/

38.M Toldi I A.20 (Tetőgéppuskával)

same as the A.20 but with a machinegun which can be used against air targets, the vehicle can be a low tier premium.
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40.M Turán Prototype

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Almost same as the 40.M Turán I, it has a different drivers port which could make the weakspot smaller or outright deleted and give armor to the sorrounding area.

Sources

(http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf) at page 66

40.M Turán I H-834

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This is a turán I with experimental skirts attached to it, it would weight more than the skirt found on the late one. Nothing too fancy, it could be a good rank I premium.
Source: http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf at pages 67, 129 and 302

Rank II
Toldi III (C.40)

Toldi III (C.40):
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Type: light tank

Origin: Kingdom of Hungary

Designer: Ganz

Planned: 1941-1943

Manufacturer: Ganz

Manufactured: 1943

Quantity produced: 1

Weight: 9.2 tons (9.45 tons with crew)

Length: 4750 mm

Width: 2140 mm

Height: 2070 mm

Crew: 3 people (commander, gunner, driver)

Armor: 6-35 mm

Main armament: 1 x 40 mm 42.M L/43 tank gun (same as on the Toldi IIA)

Secondary armament: 1 x 8 mm 34/40.AM Gebauer machine gun

Engine: 8-cylinder Ganz VIII. VGT. 107 (155 hp, 115 kW)

Specific power: 16.4 HP/t

Gearbox: 5 forward and 1 reverse

Suspension: torsion spring

Free ground clearance: 350 mm

Speed: On the road: 45 km/h

Sources: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/252288-magyar-harckocsik-a-ii-világháborúban/

https://warriors.fandom.com/ru/wiki/43M_Toldi_III

https://2vilaghaborufegyverei.blog.hu/2018/06/12/toldi_iii_konnyu_harckocsi

The big difference between this tank and the Toldi IIA is that the Toldi IIA has larger turning radius. The Toldi III has turning radius of 2 meters while other Toldis have 4.5 meters. But still has some differences, like a bigger turret.

FÚG-70

These were pre-series prototypes of the PSZH APC, they had a 20mm autocannon from the IL-10 planes. There were only 7 built.

Armor: welded steel: 14 mm maximum (D-944 PSZH), sides 7 mm

Main armament: 20mm from an IL-10 (1946), B-20E autocannon

Secondary armament: 7.62 mm PKT coaxial general purpose machine gun (2000 rounds)

Engine Csepel D414.44 in-line 4-cylinder OHV 5.5 liter diesel 100 hp (75 kW)

Power/weight: D-944 PSZH: 13.5 hp/tonne (10 kW/tonne)

Suspension: Wheeled 4x4

Operational range: D-944 PSZH: 500 km (310 mi)

Maximum speed: 81 km/h (50 mph) (road) (D-944 PSZzH), 45 km/h (cross country), 9 km/h (water)

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-442_FUG

https://elfnet.hu/haditechnika/pancelautok/d442.php

https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/Hungary/D-442-FUG.php

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSZH

These infos are from the PSZH and maybe some of them will be wrong. I put it in because its very similar to the PSZH, it was literally the pre-series of the PSZH. It needs some research.
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I put this in because of the hull, the Turret is different and it has 14.5mm rather than the 20mm.
See the sketch, there you can see the different turret.

PSZH-M

PSZH-M:
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Country of origin Hungary

Crew: 3 men

Personnel: 6 men

Dimensions and weight

Weight: 7.6 t

Length: 5.69 m

Width: 2.5 m

Height: 2.3 m

Armament

Machine guns: 1 x 14.5 mm, 1 x 7.62 mm

Ammunition load

Machine gun munition: 500 x 14.5 mm, 2 000 x 7.62 mm

Mobility

Engine: Csepel D.414.44/2 diesel (82 kW)

Engine power: 110 hp

Maximum road speed: 81 km/h

Amphibious speed on water: 9 km/h

Range: 500 km

Maneuverability

Gradient: 60%

Side slope: 30%

Vertical step: 0.4 m

Trench: 0.6 m

Fording: Amphibious

Features: Can swim in water and it has infrared lights. Can use nightvision.

Sources: http://www.military-today.com/apc/pszh4.htm

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSZH

PSZH prototípus

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Same hull and specifications as the FÚG-70 but with a different turret and with a 14.5mm heavy machinegun and a 7.62 mm machinegun.

Source: Pintér művek

41.M Turán II

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41.M Turán II:
Almost same as in game. The difference is it has added track armor on the very angled part of the frontal hull and it does not get skirts.

Sources: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/41M_Turán
40M - Elfnet.hu

41.M Turán II Late

Same as in game what we have.
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41.M Turán II Track armor

41.M Turán II Track armor:

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Difference in armor, can have up to 60-70mm because of the tracks, its got skirts as well on the sides.
Large amount of weight increase which means slower acceleration and top speed.

Vetőcsöves Turán

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A really rare and interesting vehicle, not much is known about it. It was photographed in 1944 in front of the HTI building. It is said that the boxes on the vehicle had rockets that could be fired. It is not far fetched as we can see that they put rockets on the Zrínyi I and a Toldi.

The launchers can be elevated to around 60 degrees. and they had the dimension of 1100-1200x250-300x250-300 mm, now there are two possibilities. One could be the Buzogányvető rockets and the other one could be the Lidérc rockets. But the Buzogányvető seems more plausible because it was mounted on other vehicles and had more manufactured than the Lidérc rocket.

I wrote down the Buzogányvető rockets on other vehicles so I wont repeat it here but I will tell what the Lidérc rocket was.

The Lidérc

An experimental air to air missile, the project sadly was never fully finished because of the war and time running out. It would be launched from planes to destroy bombers and bomber formations. But that would never be accomplished

Specifications:

diameter: 300mm
Total weight: 141,3 kg
Length: 1432 mm
Explosive: 10,92 kg of TNT or TNT/NPT
At 45-50 degree angle it could make 5-8 km distance
Destroying radius: aorund 60-70 m on the sides and 5-8 m on forward and back

Both rockets can be deadly, the problem is with the lidérc’s speed, it would launch the rocket far away, while the Buzogányvető has a 56 m/s speed and could be fired into the capture zones and elsewhere

It would be cool to see it in game, it would have the function of an artillery, same as the Matilda hedgehog.

Sources

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf at page 129

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11730/1/Haditechnika_2009.pdf at page 126

Botond B tehergépkocsi 15 cm Nebelwerfer

Similar to the 15 cm Pz.W.42 but it is less armored and its probably faster.

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Mass: 3950 kg

Length: 5,700 mm

Width: 2,080 mm

Height: 2,550 mm

Crew: 2-3

Engine: 4 cylinder petrol of 4,330 cm3 70 hp

Maximum speed: 60 km/h

Weapon: 15 cm nebelwerfer rockets

Sources: 38M Botond - Wikipedia

https://second-world-war-hu.webnode.hu/tengely-hatalmak/tengely-hatalmak-szallitojarmuvei-/magyar-szallitojarmuvek/

https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_3.pdf

Straussler Monitor

I don’t know if Hungary should get it. A Hungarian made this in his own workshop in Britain. You may know Straussler because he made the DD Sherman and etc. So I don’t know who should get it, its an interesting vehicle in my opinion. Now I am not saying Hungary needs it but it would be cool to have it, a lot of people know straussler in Hungary and really like its wacky and complex way of designing vehicles.

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Weapon is a 17 pounder. The vehicle is probably slow but has a great gun and it could have a mechanic where it can turn the wheels and could rotate in one spot.

Sources: https://twitter.com/Ninja998998/status/1201435267728494592/photo/1

Csepel D-350 180mm

Csepel D-350 180mm:
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So maybe some of you saw PikkPikers Hungarian tech tree where he said it was a BM-14 launcher on the vehicle, well after I did research I found out that these are 180mm Hungarian made and designated rockets. So its not Russian nor German, just Hungarian. Now the problem is that we don’t know how much TNT was in the rockets, needs a little bit more research.

Engine: Csepel D 413, Diesel, 5.3 dm³, 63 kW

Transmission: five-speed manual gearbox

Propulsion: air-filled tyres

Wheelbase: 3,710 mm (146.1 in)

Length: 6,735 mm (265.2 in)

Width: 2,260 mm (89.0 in)

Height: 2,740 mm (107.9 in)

Kerb weight: 3,200 kg (7,055 lb)

Weapon: 180mm rocket launcher

Sources: https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_3.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Csepel_D-350

Csepel D-344 (zpu-2) 14,5mm SPAA

Csepel truck with two 14,5mm heavy machineguns, could be a nice AA truck.
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Engine: Csepel D-414H (Diesel, 5.5 dm3, 70 kW)
Transmission: Manual five-speed gearbox
Propulsion: Tyres
Wheelbase: 3750 mm
Length: 6716 mm
Width: 2498 mm
Height: 2775 mm
Kerb weight: 5700 kg
Weapon: 2x KVPT machineguns
Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Csepel_D-344 and Makettinfo

PSZH prototípus 23mm

PSZH prototype with the 23mm autocannons from the Mig-15.
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High rate of fire but only 32mm of penetration. Could be a good AA vehicle because of the caliber and the high fire rate, other than that I don’t see any better use for it. Still a very cool vehicle.
Still needs research. Same specs as the FÚG-70.

Sources for mentioning the vehicle: https://www.makettinfo.hu/forum/forszoveg.php?forumID=582&first=4000#_

Nimród SPAA

Nimród SPAA:
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Mass: 10.5 tonnes

Length: 5.32 m (17 ft 5 in)

Width: 2.31 m (7 ft 7 in)

Height: 2.8 m (9 ft 2 in)

Crew: 6

Armor: 6–13 mm on the hull, 10 mm on the turret

Main armament: 40 mm 36.M, has AP which penetrates 61 mm at 100m 90 degrees.

Can get AP, armored core shells, HE and APHE

Engine: Büssing NAG type L8 V/36 T

Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph)

elevation/depression: 90 degrees, -5 degrees

rate of fire: 120 rpm

ammo: 160 piece

Sources: https://live.warthunder.com/post/768658/en/

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11716/1/Haditechnika_1994.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40M_Nimród

43.M Toldi Páncélvadász

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Dimensions: L-W-H 4.75 m x 2.14 mx 2.2 m

Total weight: 10.5 t

Crew: probably 3 gunner, driver, loader

Propulsion: Büssing-NAG Type L8V/36TR, water cooled 8 cylinder petrol, 155 hp (116 kW), 14.8 hp/t

Suspension: Torsion bars

Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph)

Armament: 7.5 cm (2.95 in) Pak 40/2 L/46 – 21 rounds, 8 mm (0.31 in) 31M. Solothurn light machine gun

Armor: 6 mm to 13 mm (0.24-0.51 in)

Production: One converted from a 38M. Toldi I light tank

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Sources: 42M Toldi II – Wikipédia

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/hungary/toldi-pancelvadasz

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/06/08/toldi-pancelvadasz-the-hungarian-marder/

Zrínyi II

Zrínyi II:
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Type: Assault gun

Place of origin: Kingdom of Hungary

In service: 1943-1945

Used by: Kingdom of Hungary

Wars: World War II

Designer: Manfréd Weiss

Designed: 1942-1943

Manufacturer: Manfréd Weiss, Ganz

Mass: 21.5 t

Length: 5.90 m (19 ft 4 in)

Width: 2.99 m (9 ft 10 in)

Height: 1.90 m (6 ft 3 in)

Crew: 4

Armour: 13–75 mm (0.51–2.95 in)

Main armament: 40/43M 105 mm MÁVAG howitzer 52 rounds but it can carry 90-95 rounds as well if it was needed

Engine: Manfréd Weiss Z-V8H-4 8 cylinder 260 hp

Power/weight: 12 hp/t

Maximum speed: 43 km/h (27 mph)

Fire rate: 6 round per minute

It had HEAT which could penetrate 80mm of armor at 600. It has smoke and HE rounds as well

Sources: https://m.militaria.hu/digitalis-hadtortenelem-hadtorteneti-oktatasi-csomagok-iskolak-szamara/masodik-vilaghaboru-tortenete/masodik-vilaghaboru-tortenete-a-katona/194043-m-zrinyi-rohamtarack-es-1944-m-zrinyi-rohamagyu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/43M_Zrínyi

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zrínyi_(önjáró_löveg)

https://warthunder.hu/2018/04/24/jarmubemutato-40-43-m-zrinyi-rohamtarack/

Zrínyi II Late

Zrínyi II Late:
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Late modification of the Zrínyi II with added tracks and skirts for improved protection. Which increased weight and width.

Type: Assault gun

Place of origin: Kingdom of Hungary

In service: 1943-1945

Used by: Kingdom of Hungary

Wars: World War II

Designer: Manfréd Weiss

Designed: 1942-1943

Manufacturer: Manfréd Weiss, Ganz

Mass: around 23 t (there is no information about weight with the tracks and skirs on)

Length: 5.90 m (19 ft 4 in)

Width: 2.99 m (9 ft 10 in)

Height: 1.90 m (6 ft 3 in)

Crew: 4

Armour: 13–75 mm (0.51–2.95 in)

Main armament: 40/43M 105 mm MÁVAG howitzer 52 rounds but it can carry 90-95 rounds as well if it was needed

Engine: Manfréd Weiss Z-V8H-4 8 cylinder 260 hp

Power/weight: around 11 hp/t

Maximum speed: 41 km/h (27 mph)

Fire rate: 6 round per minute

It had HEAT which could penetrate 80mm of armor at 600. It has smoke and HE rounds as well

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Sources: https://m.militaria.hu/digitalis-hadtortenelem-hadtorteneti-oktatasi-csomagok-iskolak-szamara/masodik-vilaghaboru-tortenete/masodik-vilaghaboru-tortenete-a-katona/194043-m-zrinyi-rohamtarack-es-1944-m-zrinyi-rohamagyu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/43M_Zrínyi

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zrínyi_(önjáró_löveg)

https://warthunder.hu/2018/04/24/jarmubemutato-40-43-m-zrinyi-rohamtarack/

We can see that Hungarians added track not only frontally but both the sides as well. Frontally it increased armor from 75mm to around 90mm or even more.

Zrínyi II 100mm or Zrínyi H-801

Zrínyi II 100mm:
So this vehicle is one of the most interesting to me because you may seen this pictures of the Zrínyi II but somethings are off, and its not like the others. These Zrínyi IIs were pre production vehicles.

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Its different than the rest, the depth from the mantlet to the frontal plate is less than on the normal Zrínyi IIs, the bolts are different as well and the lower front plate does not have any bolts.
My guess is that there is another 25mm plate added to the frontal structure making it 100mm thick. The lower front plate is probably a 75mm plate and not a 50mm+25mm like on the other Zrínyi IIs.

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Finding more pictures about it and comparing it to other Zrínyi IIs from the same camera angle and distance, I think we can see that on the lower picture the plate is thicker than on the upper picture. I think it could be 4 times 25mm plate or one 75mm plate and a 25mm plate on it.

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Another comparison.

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Here is the Zrínyi II in the Kubinka museum. We can see its armour is made up of 3 times 25mm plate, now if we were to add another 25mm plate we would still be able to see the side of the mantlet but it would be less than on any other regular Zrínyi II. The problem is we don’t have any info on them just pictures, needs research but I think comparing them to one another should be enough because we can see it being thicker armoured than the regular version.

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Closer shot.

There are many variants of the pre production vehicle, because they changed some things throughout its lifetime, like there are variants with different periscopes, but one of them can be added.

Same specs as the Zrínyi II but probably more weight because of the added armour.

Turán II Pipe

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Destroyed :( , some cosmetic changes, can be a cool premium. Same specs as the Turán II late.

PSZH

PSZH:
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Country of origin Hungary

Crew: 3 men

Personnel: 6 men

Dimensions and weight

Weight: 7.6 t

Length: 5.69 m

Width: 2.5 m

Height: 2.3 m

Armament

Machine guns: 1 x 14.5 mm, 1 x 7.62 mm

Ammunition load

Machine gun munition: 500 x 14.5 mm, 2 000 x 7.62 mm

Mobility

Engine: Csepel D.414.44 diesel (74,57 kW)

Engine power: 100 hp

Maximum road speed: 81 km/h

Amphibious speed on water: 9 km/h

Range: 500 km

Maneuverability

Gradient: 60%

Side slope: 30%

Vertical step: 0.4 m

Trench: 0.6 m

Fording: Amphibious

Features: Can swim in water and it has infrared lights. Can use nightvision.

Sources: http://www.military-today.com/apc/pszh4.htm

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSZH

Zrínyi II Irénke

Zrínyi II Irénke:
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Same as the Zrínyi II late, just some cosmetic changes and a little piece of plus armor on the gun mantlet which is 25mm or 50mm. Could be a great premium.

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We can Find Irénke at the Kubinka museum with the added little armour plate on the gun mantlet. The gun is actually broken so its shorter than what its supposed to be.

Rank III
DE-81SP RÁBA H9

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This is the truck.

Same automatic mortar as on the Unimog. It can have the same HEAT shells, interestingly it could have NATO HE mortar shells or even smoke, because its 81mm. Its NATO compatible.

Probably same ammo capacity, that is 128 pieces. (My guessing)

elevation/depression: +76 and -4

Specifications for the Truck:

all wheel drive 4x4

gears: 5+1

weight 4.5 t + the mortar

engine: 6 cylinder diesel with 155 hp, 114 kW

Speed: 100 km/h

length: 6630mm

width: 2200mm

height: 2700mm

Sources:

https://epa.oszk.hu/02100/02176/00020/pdf/EPA02176_rendvedelem_52_015-052.pdf at page 14 http://real-j.mtak.hu/11408/1/HT_2015-1_teljes_red.pdf at page 30

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11715/1/Haditechnika_1993.pdf at page 113

DE-81SP Mercedes Unimog


The DE-81SP mortar is a hungarian made mortar which is a smaller 2b9 mortar. 2b9 mortars diameter is 82mm while the Hungarian has 81mm.

It can get a HEAT ammo which could pen 100mm at 90 degrees. The gun has a rpm of 100-120.

Specs for the Unimog:

Engine: 24 kW (169 PS; 166 hp) Gearbox: 8-speed manual

Propulsion: Rear wheel drive with selectable all wheel drive

Speed: 80–110 km/h (50–68 mph)

Turning radius 14,100 mm (46.26 ft)

Aprroach angle 46°

Departure angle 51°

Ground clearance 440 mm (17+3⁄8 in)

Fording depth 1.000 m (3.28 ft)

Armor: non-existent

Crew: 4 (driver, passenger, loader, gunner) but can be 3

elevation/depression: +76 and -4

rate of fire: 100-120

ammo: 128 pieces

Tnterestingly this vehicle could get NATO HE mortar shells or even smoke, because its 81mm. Its NATO compatible.

Source: http://real-j.mtak.hu/11408/1/HT_2015-1_teljes_red.pdf

Turán III

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Crew: 5 people (Commander, Loader, Driver, Gunner, Machine gunner)

Length: 6.860 m

Width: 2.440 m – with skirts 2.650m

Height: 2.655 m

Weight: 21 t – with skirts 23 300 kg

Armor: front 75 mm – sides 35mm – rear 35 mm / top and bottom 13 mm

Primary armament: 75 mm 43M L/55 tank gun (same as on the Zrínyi I)

Secondary armament: 2×8 mm 34/40M Gebauer machine gun

Engine: Weiss Manfréd V–8H 8-cylinder gasoline engine

Performance: 195 kW (260 hp)

Suspension: leaf spring

Speed: 39 km/h and with skirts 37 km/h

Power to weight: 11.8 hp/t and with skirts 11.2 hp/t

Sources: http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/43M_Turán

Tas 75mm variant

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armament: 43.M 75mm (same as on the Zrínyi I and the Turán III) and a 8mm gebauer machinegun

weight: 36 600 kg

Engine: Two Weiss Manfréd V–8H 8-cylinder gasoline engine which make 520 hp / 382 kW

Speed: 44,5 km/h backwards and forwards

Gears: 5-5

Armor: hull: UFP 75mm, LFP 75mm, nose plate 120mm, sides 50mm, rear 100mm and 75mm, top and bottom 20mm (we don’t know the frontal corners, could be 75mm, 120mm or 50mm)

turret: all around 100mm, top 20mm

Crew: 5 (Gunner, Loader, Commander, Driver, Machine gunner)

Height: 2700mm

Width: 3150mm

length: 6300mm

Sources: https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/hungary/44m-tas

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11729/1/Haditechnika_2008.pdf

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11727/1/Haditechnika_2006.pdf

Pancelvadasz.hu

Krupp Protze Buzogányvető

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Specifications of the Buzogányvető (Macethrower):

Length: 970mm

Diameter: 215 mm

Weight of the rocket head: 29,2-30 kg

Weight of the explosive head: 4,212 kg

Weight of the engine housing: 20,5 kg

Gunpowder rods: 3,2-4,6kg

Penetration: at least 300mm of armour or concrete.

Speed of the rocket: 56 m/s 202 km/h

Krupp Protze specifications:

Mass: 2,600 kg (5,700 lb) / more with the Buzogányvető

Length: 5.10 m (16 ft 9 in)

Width: 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in)

Height: 1.96 m (6 ft 5 in)

Armor: None

Engine: Krupp Boxer motor, 3.3 liters or 60 hp

Maximum speed: 70 km/h (43 mph)

ammo: we don’t have info on how many it carried, it could have HE and HEAT rockets

Sources: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp_Protze

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp-Protze https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_2.pdf

https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_3.pdf

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11731/1/Haditechnika_2010.pdf

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11708/1/Haditechnika_1987.pdf

https://www.flickr.com/photos/34814045@N08/49991440123

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_44M

https://tanksrarities.blogspot.com/2021/10/toldi-ii-lt-con-lanzador-de-cohetes.html

Toldi Buzogányvető

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A Toldi tank transformed to use Buzogányvető rockets.

Specifications of the Buzogányvető (Macethrower):

Length: 970mm

Diameter: 215 mm

Weight of the rocket head: 29,2-30 kg

Weight of the explosive head: 4,212 kg

Weight of the engine housing: 20,5 kg

Gunpowder rods: 3,2-4,6kg

Penetration: at least 300mm of armour or concrete.

Speed of the rocket: 56 m/s 202 km/h

Specifications for the Toldi:

Mass Toldi IIA: 9.3 t

Length: 4.75 m (15 ft 7 in)

Width: 2.14 m (7 ft 0 in)

Height: 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in)

Crew: 3

Armor: Toldi II: 7-33 mm

Main armament: 215mm Buzogányvető rocket

Ammo: 4-6 pieces inside the hull and 2 ready to be fired, can get HE and HEAT rockets

Engine: Büssing-NAG L8V 7.9 litres 155-160 bhp

Power/weight: 19 hp/t

Suspension: torsion bar

Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph) on road

Sources: 38M Toldi - Wikipedia

http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/04/02/hungarian-toldi-ii-lt-with-44m-buzoganyveto-anti-tank-rocket-launcher/

https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_2.pdf

https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_3.pdf

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11731/1/Haditechnika_2010.pdf

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11708/1/Haditechnika_1987.pdf

https://www.flickr.com/photos/34814045@N08/49991440123

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_44M

https://tanksrarities.blogspot.com/2021/10/toldi-ii-lt-con-lanzador-de-cohetes.html

Haditechnika 43. (2009) (mtak.hu) at page 68

Csepel Járda gépkocsi ZU-23

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Weapon: Same as the BTR-ZD or the Boswark

Csepel Járda gépkocsi is a D-344.01 truck made for carrying and using anti-aircraft cannons on the plato.

Specs for the truck:

Engine: Csepel D-414H (Diesel, 5.5 dm3, 70 kW)

Transmission: Manual five-speed gearbox

Propulsion: Tyres

Wheelbase: 3750 mm

Length: 6716 mm

Width: 2498 mm

Height: 2775 mm

weight: 5700 kg + 950 kg (zu-23)

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Csepel_D-344

https://forum.index.hu/Article/showArticle?na_order=&na_start=2488&na_step=30&t=9135569

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZU-23-2

Nimród late


Mass: 10.5 tonnes

Length: 5.32 m (17 ft 5 in)

Width: 2.31 m (7 ft 7 in)

Height: 2.8 m (9 ft 2 in)

Crew: 6

Armor: 6–13 mm on the hull, 10 mm on the turret

Main armament: 40 mm 36.M, has AP which penetrates 61 mm at 100m 90 degrees.

Can get AP, armored core shells, HE and APHE

And a fin stabilized HEAT shell, which is 160mm in diameter and can penetrate up to 180mm of armor. Its mass was 9.2 kg and had around 2.6 kg of explosive mass. It can go 110 m/s.

It had two versions, 42.M and 42/a.M. The 42/a.M had a wider sleeve so that the flash eliminator on the Nimród did not have to be removed. So the 42/a.M should have a faster reload speed than the 42.M. But I think only the 42/a.M should be added.

Engine: Ganz VIII EST 107, 8-cylinder, gasoline, water-cooled 150 hp (110 kW)

Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph)

elevation/depression: 90 degrees, -5 degrees

rate of fire: 120 rpm

ammo: 160 piece

Sources: https://live.warthunder.com/post/768658/en/

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11716/1/Haditechnika_1994.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40M_Nimród

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11709/1/Haditechnika_1988.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stielgranate_41

Zrínyi I

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Same as in game but without the launchers on top.
I will discuss the historical inaccuracies because the stats are in game and can be viewed, but there are some that are not accurate and I just want to direct a little bit of attention to the inaccuracies. First of all the LFP should be 75mm (50+25) and does not have rivets. Second, there are sources that say that the structures front is 100mm thick not 75mm, this needs research. Third, the mantlet should cover more like you can see in the picture.

Zrínyi I sorozatvető

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This is the Zrínyi I we have in game, with the 15 cm rockets. Same inaccuracies apply to this as well. But with this variant does not have the exhaust drums as seen on the picture.

2B9 MT-LBu

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MT-LBu 2b9:

It can get a HEAT ammo which could pen 100mm at 90 degrees. The gun has a rpm of 100-120.

Mass 15,550 kg

Length 7.21 m

Width 2.85 m

Height 1.905 m

Armor Welded aluminum

Engine: YaMZ-238N, V-8 diesel 300 hp at 2,100 rpm

Suspension: Torsion bar

Maximum speed: 61.5 km/h (road) 30 km/h (off-road)

5 to 6 km/h (in the water)

Armor: max 10mm

Crew: 4 (driver, passenger, loader, gunner)

elevation/depression: +85 and -1

rate of fire: 100-120

ammo: 128 piece

source: http://real-j.mtak.hu/11715/1/Haditechnika_1993.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MT-LBu

Rank IV
2b9 AMB-1

2b9 AMB-1:
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PAM-1 sight specifications:
Indirect sight:
zoom: 2,5x
Field of view: 9o
Direct sight:
zoom: 3x
Field of view: 18o

2B9 mortar specifications:
range: 4270 m
velocity of the munition: 270 m/s
practical firing rate: 100-120 rounds per minute
recommended number of ammunition: 226 grenades
caliber: 82 mm
Aiming elevation: Horizontaly: ±30o
Vertically: -1o +85o
the weight of the weapon: 622 kg

Specifications for the 2B9 AMB:
Length: 6805 mm
Width: 2940 mm
Height: 2110 mm
Combat weight: 13,600 kg + 622 kg (the 2B9)
Crew: 3-4 people (driver, commander, loader/gunner and maybe plus one loader)
Vehicle armament: 2B9
Maximum speed: 65 km/h
Average speed on the road: 21.5 km/h
Features: Night vision, laser rangefinder, if implemented a computer which you could fire directly or indirectly with. A cumulative round with a great shrapnell effect, with a 100mm pen.

Specification for the BEKM-82 munition:
The length of the ammunition: 330 mm
The diameter of the ammunition: 82 mm
The weight of the ammunition: 3.1 kg
Starting speed 270 m/s from an automatic mortar
from a traditional mortar (3 discs) 210 m/s
Range from automatic mortar 4300 m
3200 m from a traditional mortar
Armor penetration: 100 mm at 90 degrees
Sources:
https://acr.army.cz/technika-a-vyzbroj/poz/zvv/ot-90-amb-s-210995/
https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_4.pdf
https://armamentresearch.com/soviet-2b9m-vasilek-self-loading-mortar/
https://podarilove.ru/hu/vasilek-2-minomet-vasilek/
https://haditechnikaiintezet.hu/fejlesztes/onjaro-automata-aknaveto-autonom-tuzvezeto-rendszerrel
https://haditechnikaiintezet.hu/fejlesztes/82-mm-repesz-kumulativ-aknagranat
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11406/6/HT_2013-6_teljes_red.pdf
https://makettinfo.hu/forum/image.php?img_id=208161&size=full#image_208161

Tas 80mm variant

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armament: 29/44.M 80mm

weight: 36 600 kg

Engine: Two Weiss Manfréd V–8H 8-cylinder gasoline engine which make 520 hp / 382 kW

Speed: 44,5 km/h

Gears: 5-5

Armor: hull: UFP 75mm, LFP 75mm, nose plate 120mm, sides 50mm, rear 100mm and 75mm, top and bottom 20mm (we don’t know the frontal corners, could be 75mm, 120mm or 50mm)

turret: all around 100mm, top 20mm

Crew: 5 (Gunner, Loader, Commander, Driver, Machine gunner)

Height: 2700mm

Width: 3150mm

length: 6300mm

Sources: https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/hungary/44m-tas

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11729/1/Haditechnika_2008.pdf

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11727/1/Haditechnika_2006.pdf

Pancelvadasz.hu

https://www.facebook.com/hadtorteneti.muzeum/posts/pfbid024114nqgUHHXZUaX3A7yCvgZw8cUSerkS8CGnNneuZ8oCcqYjMMEvcZfKJuW7sx11l

And if nobody believes that the Tas had an 80mm gun planned.
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The only remaining piece of the Tas, and you can see the 8 cm on the sight.

Nimród Sorozatvető

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Specifications of the vehicle/carrier:

(Its chassis is the Nimród which is a Hungarian HEAVILY modified L-62.)

Place of origin: Hungary

Mass: There is not a data on it, could be around 8-9 tonnes.

Length: 5.32 m (17 ft 5 in)

Width: 2.31 m (7 ft 7 in) (maybe wider a little bit because of the frame where the tubes are located.)

Height: (Smaller than the Nimród with the turret, but for how much we dont know for sure, maybe the same size as the Lehel)

Crew: 2-3 (loader, driver and if three than a comander)

Armor: 6-10-13 mm

Main armament: 44.m Buzogányvető rocket launcher

Munitions: Buzogányvető with 1,75 kg TNT, and 2,32 kg TNT/nitropenta for anti-tank use, and Zápor with ~4-5 kg (9 pounds) of explosives for anti-infantry use. IT COULD CARRY 15-20 ROCKETS.

Engine: VIII EST 107, 8-cylinder, gasoline, water-cooled 150 hp (110 kW), (15,2 horsepower/tonne)

Operational range: 300 km (180 mi)

Maximum speed: 50 km/h (31 mph)

Specifications of the Buzogányvető (Macethrower):

Length: 970mm

Diameter: 215 mm

Weight of the rocket head: 29,2-30 kg

Weight of the explosive head: 4,212 kg

Weight of the engine housing: 20,5 kg

Gunpowder rods: 3,2-4,6kg

Penetration: at least 300mm of armour or concrete.

Speed of the rocket: 56 m/s 202 km/h

Sources: https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_2.pdf

https://mek.oszk.hu/12900/12993/pdf/12993_3.pdf

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11731/1/Haditechnika_2010.pdf

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11708/1/Haditechnika_1987.pdf

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/40M_Nimród

https://www.flickr.com/photos/34814045@N08/49991440123

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_44M

https://tanksrarities.blogspot.com/2021/10/toldi-ii-lt-con-lanzador-de-cohetes.html

PSZH Malyutka ATGMs

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Specifications:
Crew: 3+6 people
Length: 5.69 m
Width: 2.5 m
Height: 2.3 m
Weight: 7,6 tonnes
Armor: 14 mm welded steel
Primary armament: 14.5 mm KPVT machine gun
3 wire-guided 9M14 Malyutka ATGMs (MCLOS guidance)
Secondary armament: KGKT 7.62 mm machine gun
Engine Csepel: D-414.44 four-cylinder diesel engine
D-414.44 = 100 HP (74.57 kW)
Speed: on road (max.) = 81 km/h
Off-road (max.) = 45 km/h
In water (max.) = 9 km/h km/h
Range: 500 km
Sight: KM-1
elevation/deppression: +30o
-5o
The turret was hand cranked.
Features: the vehicle had TVN-2 infrared lights, like beside the 14.5mm machinegun (it had night vision equipment)

I am not sure if the rockets are real and could be launched from the vehicle. It needs more research.

Sources:
https://haditechnikaiintezet.hu/fejlesztes/d-944-pancelozott-szallito-harcjarmu-pszh
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSZH
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-442_FUG#Development_of_PSZH
https://military-technology.blog.hu/2020/10/02/a_raba_vp-tol_a_kf41_hiuzig
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/malyutka.htm
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1904633609695258&set=a.1286351141523511

Rank V
BMP-1 BTR-80A

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This a BMP with a BTR turret, This was made way before the BMP-1AM.

BMP hull – same as in game

BTR 80A turret – same as in game

Sources: https://forum.htka.hu/threads/a-magyar-hadero-lehetseges-fejlesztesi-iranyai.499/page-621

https://makettinfo.hu/forum/forszoveg.php?forumID=3&ID=16204#_

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Zoltan-Jobbagy-2/publication/271847705_A_hatas_alapu_hadviseles_haditechnikai_aspektusai/links/54d4b6290cf2970e4e638296/A-hatas-alapu-hadviseles-haditechnikai-aspektusai.pdf at page 41

KTJ-04 Szöcske SZPG-9D

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Length: 3620mm

Width: 1800mm

Height: 1800mm

Crew: 3 (driver, loader, gunner/commander)

Weight: 930kg + 59,5kg(SZPG-9D)

Engine type: turbo-diesel

Engine power: 58 kW

gears: 5+1

Max speed: 130 km/h

Ammo: we don’t know how much it could carry

Could penetrate 300mm-400mm or 550mm with tandem. It depends on the ammunition type it gets.

Sources: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/SZPG–9

https://youtu.be/umfhds6bPEg?t=2219

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11716/1/Haditechnika_1994.pdf

https://karosszektabornok.blog.hu/2022/04/01/271_volt_egyszer_egy_ktj_szocske

Rank VI
KF-41 Híúz

KF-41 Híúz:

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I don’t know if I should put this here because its german, but it is different like what was shown in Australia. And there will be SPAA versions and stuff in Hungary and made in Hungary.

Mass: 45 tonnes

Length: 7.73 m

Width: 3812 mm

Height: 3734 mm

Crew: 3 + 8

Armour: Steel armour with various appliques

Main armament: Lance turret with 30 mm Rheinmetall MK30-2/ABM

Secondary armament: co-axial 7.62 mm light machine gun, smoke grenade launchers and optional Spike LR2 ATGMs or UAV launchers. On top a 12.7 mm M2 machine gun

Engine: 1,140hp (850kW) / some sources say it has 1463 hp engine

Transmission: Renk HSWL 256 (KF41) fully automatic

Suspension: Swinging arms with torsion bars and shock-absorbers

Maximum speed on road: 75 km/h and in reverse 35 km/h

APS: Strikeshield

Sources: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(gyalogsági_harcjármű)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(Rheinmetall_armoured_fighting_vehicle)#_Iraq

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMAP-ADS

https://honvedelem.hu/hirek/ime-a-lynx.html

T-55A SZRP

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T-55A Technical Data:
armament: primary weapon: 100mm D-10T-TS2
secondary weapons: 7.62mm PKT machinegun
DSHK 12.7 heavy machinegun
ammunition: 43 rounds
armour: 200mm - 20mm
Engine: V-55 500 horsepower
Transmission: 5 forward - 1 reverse gears
Maximum speed: 51 km/h (~32 mph) on road 27 km/h cross country (~17 mph)
Length: 6.2 m (9.0 m with gun forward)
Width: 3.64 m
Height: 2.35 m
weight: 38 tonnes
crew: 4 (driver, gunner, commander, loader)
features: night vision, two plane stabiliazer, NBC protection, infrared sight
Operational range: 325 kilometres (202 mi), 610 kilometres (380 mi) with extra tanks (on unpaved roads)
Two variants of the Hungarian ERA:
SZRP-L (which is lower in height, smaller one), at 0 o it reduces the penetration to 40% (800mm or less penetration), at 45 o it reduces penetration to 15% (800mm or less penetration)
SZRP-N (bigger one, normal thick one), at 0 o it reduces the penetration to 20% (800mm or less penetration), at 45 o it reduces penetration to 5% (800mm or less penetration)

Sources: https://mkk.uni-nke.hu/document/mkk-uni-nke-hu/1995_kulonszam.pdf
Hadtörténeti Múzeum Magyargencs
https://makettinfo.hu/forum/image.php?img_url=upload%2F200807%2F111928_76468_T55_magyar_reaktiv_potpancelhu3.JPG
https://makettinfo.hu/forum/image.php?img_id=269245&size=medium#image_269245
https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_tank_heavy_armoured_vehicles_u/t-55_main_battle_tank_technical_data_fact_sheet_pictures_video.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-54/T-55

T-72 CURRUS or T-72M

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It’s a modernized T-72M1 (which we have in game), it has faster reload at 10 rounds per minute.

A better transmission.

Hungarian ERA with around 600mm of protection against chemical rounds, can reduce penetration by 70%. It has laser warning receiver. Better stabilizer.

“It had an automatic engine and gear control, which would have enabled the tank to turn around in one place. One track forward and the other one backwards. (actually, it would not have turned in one place, but with a turning radius of about 40 cm, since there is about that much gear difference between the single and reverse gears) I saw this in action, it was surprising what the T72 can do like that. The cooling fan would have been driven hydraulically, and until it had to turn on (low engine temperature) or in emergency mode when extra horsepower is needed, it would have given - or not taken away - approx. 90-100 HP, which is required for the fan drive. The engine would have been electronically regulated to always operate at optimum power and torque, taking into account consumption. The electronics would also have selected the gears, the driver only had to choose the direction of travel. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out.”

Sources:

https://web.archive.org/web/20100528155705/http://currus.hu/

https://web.archive.org/web/20080207041707/http://www.currus.hu/termeles/hadipari/fejlesztes/11/11.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20080207041701/http://www.currus.hu/termeles/hadipari/fejlesztes/10/10.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20010305220238/http://www.currus.hu/termeles/hadipari/fejlesztes/fejlesztes.HTM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066441900267151450/1122944438310805646/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066441900267151450/1120059104963076137/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066441900267151450/1120054667469131877/image.png

https://forum.index.hu/Article/showArticle?na_start=22188&na_step=30&t=9010902&na_order=

UAZ-469 Konkurs

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Engine: 2010–2013 – 2,693 cm3 (2.7 L) 83.5 kW (112 hp)[1]

Transmission: 4-speed or 5-speed manual gearbox 2-speed transfer shift

Length: 4,025 mm (158.5 in)

Width: 1,785 mm (70.3 in)

Height: 2,050 mm (80.7 in)

Curb weight: 1,700 kg (3,747.9 lb)

Crew: 3 or 4 (Commander/gunner, Driver, loader)

Konkurs:

Mass 14.6 kg (32 lb) (Missile weight)

22.5 kg (50 lbs) (9P135 launching post)[4]

Length: 1,150 mm (45 in) 875 mm (34.4 in) without gas generator

Diameter: 135 mm (5.3 in)

Wingspan: 468 mm (18.4 in)

Warhead: 2.7 kg (6.0 lb) 9N131 HEAT

1PBN86-VI thermal sight

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M113_Konkurs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAZ-469

makettinfo.hu

UAZ-469 METISZ-M

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UAZ-469:

Engine: 2010–2013 – 2,693 cm3 (2.7 L) 83.5 kW (112 hp)[1]

Transmission: 4-speed or 5-speed manual gearbox 2-speed transfer shift

Length: 4,025 mm (158.5 in)

Width: 1,785 mm (70.3 in)

Height: 2,050 mm (80.7 in)

Curb weight: 1,700 kg (3,747.9 lb)

Crew: 3 (Commander/gunner, Driver, loader)

Metis-M:

Mass Missile in launch tube: 13.8 kg

Launcher: 10.2 kg (Metis-M),[4] 9.5 kg (Metis-M1)[5]

Thermal sight: 6.5 kg(Metis-M1)[5]

Length: 980 mm

Diameter: 130 mm

Warhead: HEAT tandem warhead,

Armor penetration: behind ERA: 800 mm (Metis-M), 900-980 mm (Metis-M1)

thermobaric anti-personnel/anti-material warhead is also available

1PBN86-VI thermal sight

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAZ-469

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K115-2_Metis-M

https://makettinfo.hu/forum/forszoveg.php?forumID=582&first=3700#_

Mercedes-Benz G 270 CDI Metis-M

Mercedes-Benz G 270 CDI:

Length (mm): 4642

Width (mm): 1774

Height (mm): 1960

Own weight (kg): 2640 kg

Maximum climb with full load: 38°

Maximum speed (km/h): 156

Engine: 5-cylinder, 4-stroke, in-line, liquid-cooled, common-rail turbodiesel, electronic engine control

Engine power (kW): 115

Metis-M:

Mass Missile in launch tube: 13.8 kg

Launcher: 10.2 kg (Metis-M),[4] 9.5 kg (Metis-M1)[5]

Thermal sight: 6.5 kg(Metis-M1)[5]

Length: 980 mm

Diameter: 130 mm

Warhead: HEAT tandem warhead,

Armor penetration: behind ERA: 800 mm (Metis-M), 900-980 mm (Metis-M1)

thermobaric anti-personnel/anti-material warhead is also available

1PBN86-VI thermal sight

Sources:

https://honvedelem.hu/images/media/5f58c420e6c17989423363.pdf page 22

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_G_270_CDI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K115-2_Metis-M

BMP-1 OWS-25

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BMP hull, same as in game.

Turret and cannon:

Armament

Main: 25mm Oerlikon Contraves KBA and Stinger missiles (same autocannon as on the Dardo)

Coax: 7.62mm machine gun as a coaxial weapon

Smoke: 2x3 smoke grenade launchers

Ammunition Main: 140 HE rounds ready for use

60 AP rounds ready for use

Coax: 250 rounds ready for use

Crew: 3 (gunner, commander, driver)

Traverse: Electrically controlled 360 deg.

Elevation: Electrically controlled, Elevation range: -8 deg. to + 45 deg. Manual backup drive

Optics Main: Peritelescopic combined day / night sight

Supplementary: 6 vision blocks

Turret Weight 1000 Kg. (without the gunner)

Nominal aperture in vehicle deck Ø1067 mm

Height Above Deck 1000 mm.

Power supply 24 VDC

Sources:

https://web.archive.org/web/20081116230224/https://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/SIP_STORAGE/FILES/9/539.pdf

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11720/1/Haditechnika_1998.pdf at page 267

https://forum.htka.hu/threads/a-magyar-hadero-lehetseges-fejlesztesi-iranyai.499/page-621

https://forum.index.hu/Article/showArticle?na_start=22082&na_step=300&t=9010902&na_order=

GAZ-66 IGLA "Láma"

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GAZ-66 truck:

General:

Produced: 1964-1999

Notable forcompact: 4x4 truck

Engine Type: V8 ZMZ 513

Fuel: gasoline

Power: 92 kW

Maximum Torque: 294 Nm

Dimensions:

Curb Weight: 3440 Kg

Wheelbase: 3.3m

Crew: 2

Height: 2,440 m

Length: 5,655 m

Width: 2,342 m

Ground Clearance: 0,310 m

Driving capacities:

Fuel Capacity: 210 L

Fuel Consumption: 24 L/100 km

Speed on Road: 95 km/h

Igla missile:

Mass: Missile weight: 10.8 kg (24 lb)

Full system: 17.9 kg (39 lb)

Length: 1.574 m (5.16 ft)

Diameter: 72 mm

Warhead: 1.17 kg (2.6 lb) with 390 g (14 oz) explosive

Detonation mechanism: Contact and grazing fuze

Engine: Solid fuel rocket motor

Flight ceiling: 3.5 km (11,000 ft)

Maximum speed: 570 m/s[3] (peak), about Mach 1.9

Guidance system: Dual waveband infra-red (S-version)

ammo: we don’t know how many it could carry, it can have SA-18 and SA-16 missiles

Sources: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ–66

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K38_Igla

makettinfo.hu

Mistral Unimog

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UNIMOG 435:

Technical Specifications:

Gearbox: 8-speed manual

Propulsion: Rear wheel drive with selectable all wheel drive

Vmax: 80–110 km/h (50–68 mph)

Fuel consumption: 20–22 L/100 km

Turning radius: 14,100 mm (46.26 ft)

Approach angle: 46°

Departure angle: 51°

Ground clearance: 440 mm (17+3⁄8 in)

Fording depth: 1.000 m (3.28 ft)

Rated power: 124 kW (169 PS; 166 hp)

Dimensions:

Wheelbase: 3,250–3,850 mm (128–151+5⁄8 in)

Length: 5.500–6,100 mm (1⁄4–240+1⁄8 in)

Width: 2,300 mm (90+1⁄2 in)

Height: 2,875 mm (113+1⁄4 in)

Kerb weight: 4.5–5.5 t (4.4–5.4 long tons; 5.0–6.1 short tons)

Mistral misslie:

Specifications:

Mass: 19.7 kg

Length: 1.86 m

Diameter: 90 mm

Effective firing range: up to 6 km 7+ km (Mistral-3)

Warhead: High Explosive with high density tungsten balls

Warhead weight: 2.95 kg

Detonation mechanism: Laser proximity or impact triggered

Engine: Solid Rocket Motor, 2-stage

Maximum speed: 930 m/s, approx. Mach 2.71

Guidance system: Infrared homing

Plus info:

ammo: 2+6, 2 already on the launcher and 6 in the vehicle (placed inside the hexagon openings) / can be Mistral 2 and Mistral 3 missiles

Crew: Can be 1 driver and 1 gunner or 1 driver, 1 passenger and 1 gunner (probably 3 crew would be better)

Ingame:

It would be a fast 4x4 with MANPADS, it would be similar to the Type 93. It does not get any other guns so maybe it could get scouting atleast.

Sources: https://www.flickr.com/photos/11974439@N05/44654310782/in/photostream/

https://www.reddit.com/r/shittytechnicals/comments/ty8wao/hungarian_army_mistral_manpads_mounted_on_unimog/

https://www.hmarzenal.hu/vedelmi-ipar/mistral-legvedelmi-raketa-rendszer.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_(missile)

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral#Mistral_rakéták_a_Magyar_Honvédségben

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unimog_435

UAZ-469 Fagot

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UAZ-469:

Engine: 2010–2013 – 2,693 cm3 (2.7 L) 83.5 kW (112 hp)

Transmission: 4-speed or 5-speed manual gearbox 2-speed transfer shift

Speed: 130 km/h

Length: 4,025 mm (158.5 in)

Width: 1,785 mm (70.3 in)

Height: 2,050 mm (80.7 in)

Curb weight: 1,700 kg (3,747.9 lb)

Crew: 3 (Commander/gunner, Driver, loader)

Fagot missile:

Penetration power: 400 mm or 600mm

Rate of fire: 3 rds / min

Muzzle velocity: 80 m/s (180 mph; 290 km/h) at launch

186 m/s (420 mph; 670 km/h) in flight speed

Effective firing range: 70–2,500 m (230–8,200 ft)

Warhead: High-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) warhead

Warhead weight: 1.7 kg (3.7 lb)

9P135M1 launcher, 22.5 kg,

Its got a thermal imager - 1PN65.

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAZ-469

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K111_Fagot

http://www.armaco.bg/en/product/launchers-guided-missiles-c33/9p135m-launcher-p512

https://en.missilery.info/missile/concursm

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1697.html

https://weaponsystems.net/system/549-9K113+Konkurs

http://www.makettinfo.hu/forum/image.php?img_url=upload%2F201102%2F1221115_85857_100_0290.JPG#image_216818

https://automdb.com/uaz/469/group_offroad_5d/257612

Rank VII
KF41 Híúz Spike

Hungary will have spike missiles on the KF41, I made two versions one with and one without the spike.
This one is the same KF41 as the 10.0 one but it has spikes.

This is the box where the spike will go.

Pictures of the KF41










The pictures come from me. In Ludovika there was an exhibition where you could view vehicles. There was the KF41, Panzerhaubitze, Gidtán and BTRs.

Sources

https://honvedelem.hu/hirek/ime-a-lynx.html

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(gyalogsági_harcjármű)

KF 41 Híúz SPAAG

Hungary has announced in the past that it will have and SPAAG version. It will use the Skyranger 30 system.

Specifications of Skyranger 30:

Mass (turret only): 2–2.5 t
Length (turret only): 5.175 mm
Width (turret only): 2.568 mm
Height (turret only): 1.444 mm
Crew: 3
Maximum firing range gun: 3000 m
missile: Mistral 2 or 3
Armor: STANAG 4569 Level 2, upgradable to Level 4

Sources

(https://www.parlament.hu/documents/static/biz41/bizjkv41/HOB/2106081.pdf) page 18
https://honvedelem.hu/hirek/ime-a-lynx.html
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(gyalogsági_harcjármű)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyranger_30

Hopefully guys you enjoyed my presentation, and I hope you learned something new.

Note: If you want the History or anything else of x and y vehicle, than just ask me and I will happily reply!

Updates

Update #1: Toldi Buzogányvető ammo number

A little update on the Buzogányvető Toldi, I found that it could carry between 4-6 pieces of rockets inside the hull. so 4-6 + 2 ready to be fired.

source: Haditechnika 43. (2009) (mtak.hu) page 68

Update #2: More vehicles and fixes
Added vehicles
44.M Toldi I egészségügyi

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In 1944, some Toldi tanks were converted into a medical vehicle, however, the only serious thing the conversion changed was the widening of the right-side turret hatch and the reduction of the amount of ammunition carried in the vehicle. In March 1944, 9 Toldi tanks wer converted in the Ganz factory, the converted medical tanks were handed over to the military during the summer.

It is almost the same as the Toldi I (A.20), only the right side turret hatch was changed and it carries less ammo. All other things are the same. Also it would have the red cross.

Could have a special mechanic where you could heal other team members crews, or give one crew personal to a team member.

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Sources

This text will be hidden at page 250 and 279

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11712/1/Haditechnika_1991.pdf at page 231

https://live.warthunder.com/post/539143/en/

40.M Turán Prototype

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Almost same as the 40.M Turán I, it has a different drivers port which could make the weakspot smaller or outright deleted and give armor to the sorrounding area.

Sources

(http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf) at page 66

Vetőcsöves Turán

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A really rare and interesting vehicle, not much is known about it. It was photographed in 1944 in front of the HTI building. It is said that the boxes on the vehicle had rockets that could be fired. It is not far fetched as we can see that they put rockets on the Zrínyi I and a Toldi.

The launchers can be elevated to around 60 degrees. and they had the dimension of 1100-1200x250-300x250-300 mm, now there are two possibilities. One could be the Buzogányvető rockets and the other one could be the Lidérc rockets. But the Buzogányvető seems more plausible because it was mounted on other vehicles and had more manufactured than the Lidérc rocket.

I wrote down the Buzogányvető rockets on other vehicles so I wont repeat it here but I will tell what the Lidérc rocket was.

The Lidérc

An experimental air to air missile, the project sadly was never fully finished because of the war and time running out. It would be launched from planes to destroy bombers and bomber formations. But that would never be accomplished

Specifications:

diameter: 300mm
Total weight: 141,3 kg
Length: 1432 mm
Explosive: 10,92 kg of TNT or TNT/NPT
At 45-50 degree angle it could make 5-8 km distance
Destroying radius: aorund 60-70 m on the sides and 5-8 m on forward and back

Both rockets can be deadly, the problem is with the lidérc’s speed, it would launch the rocket far away, while the Buzogányvető has a 56 m/s speed and could be fired into the capture zones and elsewhere

It would be cool to see it in game, it would have the function of an artillery, same as the Matilda hedgehog.

Sources

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf at page 129

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11730/1/Haditechnika_2009.pdf at page 126

KF41 Híúz Spike

Hungary will have spike missiles on the KF41, I made two versions one with and one without the spike.
This one is the same KF41 as the 10.0 one but it has spikes.

This is the box where the spike will go.

Pictures of the KF41










The pictures come from me. In Ludovika there was an exhibition where you could view vehicles. There was the KF41, Panzerhaubitze, Gidtán and BTRs.

Sources

https://honvedelem.hu/hirek/ime-a-lynx.html

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(gyalogsági_harcjármű)

KF 41 Híúz SPAAG

Hungary has announced in the past that it will have and SPAAG version. It will use the Skyranger 30 system.

Specifications of Skyranger 30:

Mass (turret only): 2–2.5 t
Length (turret only): 5.175 mm
Width (turret only): 2.568 mm
Height (turret only): 1.444 mm
Crew: 3
Maximum firing range gun: 3000 m
missile: Mistral 2 or 3
Armor: STANAG 4569 Level 2, upgradable to Level 4

Sources

(https://www.parlament.hu/documents/static/biz41/bizjkv41/HOB/2106081.pdf) page 18
https://honvedelem.hu/hirek/ime-a-lynx.html
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(gyalogsági_harcjármű)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyranger_30

Fixes and changes

Picture was changed on the 38.M Toldi I (A.20), the previous picture was the B.20 not the A.20. It does not have the antena now.

The Toldi with the Tetőgéppuska was changed, its name is now 42.M Toldi II B.20 from 38.M Toldi I (A.20). Because it has the antena now.

The KF41 dimensions changed and specifications changed. Source https://honvedelem.hu/hirek/ime-a-lynx.html .

Update #3: added vehicles and changes
Added vehicles
40.M Turán I M

40.M Turán I M
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Interesting thing about this Turán that it has 60mm of armor and not the usual 50mm. Because these were the early Turáns it does not get the better AP shell from the Nimród and it does not get side skirts.

The 60mm armor is built up by a 35 and a 25mm armor plate.
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Here on the picture you can see the two plates.

Thanks for Miltaccfd, for sharing the picture and the source :)

Designer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG

Manufacturer: MÁVAG, Ganz, WM, MWG

Weight: around 18-19 t

Length: 5530 mm

Width: 2440 mm (with skirts 2650 mm)

Height: 2355 mm

Crew: 5 people (commander, gunner, loader, radio machine gun operator, driver)

Armor: 13-60 mm

Main armament: 1 x 40 mm 41.M L/51 tank gun

Penetration: 60 degrees-100m-47.5mm

Secondary armament: 2 x 8 mm 34/40.AM Gebauer machine guns

Engine: 8-cylinder Weiss Manfréd V-8 H4 (260 HP, 194 kW)

Gearbox: 6 forward and 6 reverse

Suspension: leaf spring

Ground clearance: 380 mm

Fuel volume: 265 l

Speed: On road: 47.2 km/h (with skirts 46 km/h)

Source:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677523784324087828/945225356883931156/unknown.png

Bombay, Gyarmati, Turcsányi: Harckocsik 1916-tól napjainkig, page 100, ISBN: 9633273323

Again thanks to Miltaccfd!

Fixes and changes

AC II Páncélgépkocsi moved from 1.3 to 1.0 reason: it did not have a stronger engine, it had the same as the Csaba

Renamed V-4 tanks: V-4 early and V-4 late reaston: more straightforward names and the names are shorter

FUG-70: Added a better picture for it

PSZH prototípus 23mm: Added a picture of the vehicle. We cannot see the cannons but we can see the turret and the vehicle. This picture could be used for the FUG-70 as well.

Straussler monitor: deleted because maybe controversial, I will make a potential vehicle list where this will be put.

Zrínyi II H-801: Previously Zrínyi II 100mm was changed from 3.3 to 3.7 Reason is because we dont no if its 100 mm, maybe its just 75mm as the other Zrínyi tanks. Also the mantlet is much weaker. Its not 75mm, on the picture it can be seen that its a slimmer plate. This needs more research, but could be added.

Nimród late: moved up a rank for a more spread out tech tree.

Mercedes-Benz G 270 CDI: named changed to G 270 CDI METISZ-M Reason is that its a shorter name

UAZ-469 Fagot: moved down 0.3 Reason is because of the weaker and smaller missiles compared to the Konkurs

Foldered tech tree

Foldered vehicles:

Toldi I A.20 and B.20 foldered

Csaba and AC II vehicles foldered

V-4 tanks foldered

Turán I vehicles foldered

Turán II vehicels foldered

PSZH-M and PSZH prototípus foldered

Zrínyi II and Zrínyi II late vehicles have been foldered

Interesting developments of Hungary

PSZH-2

History

At the end of the 1960s, in addition to the production of the the D-944 armored fighter carrier (PSZH), the Hungarian People’s Army sought greater performance and a more efficient second generation PSZH. According to the task on the basis of specified requirements, the Military Technology with the collaboration of the Institute, the Vehicle Development Department of the Rába Hungarian Wagon Workshop developed in 1971 s a modern, second-generation PSZH-2 technical plan.

To the stage of implementation (the sample until they were production) were no longer available since the 1970s saw industrial policy choices for prioritized the reversal of domestic bus production. These are decisions for a long time they defined the profile of the domestic vehicle production and they still feel their unfavorable influence to this day.

The Technical Plan for the Development of PSZH-2 called an all-wheel-drive, 4-axle,wheel, independent wheel suspension, floating armored transport fighter-vehicle design. The vehicle constructive design was the then standardized D-566 type military design for the off-road truck. This principle was realized by the engine, the engines, running gear, suspension, brake construction and winch mrespect.

The armor is a self-supporting, completely hermetically sealed, floating structure that had a differentiated thickness (up to 20mm, minimun of 4mm), made of different angled armor plates. Assembling the armor was with welding technology and the plate was of the standard reinforcements. Four high-strength steel tubes made a column that supported the bottom plate. The armor was designed to protect from 20-30mm autocannpns fire over a distance of more than 500 meter away from the front, and small arms fire and artillery shrapnel over 100-200 meters from all directions.

The lead area has seating for the driver and commander. The car is driven with 3 periscopic systems. The commander has a vision device in the rotating dome above his headis built into which a hatch hole is also trained.

The turret in the middle is atop with weapons equipment. Behind the turret is space for 10 troops in the transport space with ball-shaped slots built into the side so they can use their own weapons. The armor-body on left side is of 5 pieces, on right side 4 pieces, while the rear door has 2 slits. The turret complex has a diameter of 1500 mm and is 260 mm to the left vehicle’s longitudinal axis.

Two versions of the turret were planned. The Polish made Vidra complex that has a 30 mm autocannon and a 7,62 mm machine gun. Version B that is the Soviet BMP-1 turret complex which has a 73mm cannon with a 7.62 mm machine gun and a Maljutka wired remote control missile incorporating the launch system. The diesel engine is the Rába-MAN 2156 engine embedded in the
front right side of the vehicle. With regard to its construction, it is water-cooled 6 cylinder with a maximum output is 170.2 kW.

The tactical technical parameters of PSZH-2 were established in a technical plan for a vehicle which is in many respects, even today, can evaluate as an effective military technology.

The main technical data of the combat vehicle:

Vehicle name: PSZH-2
Combat weight: 15,000 kg
Number of persons transported: 13 persons, of which
- 1 driver
- 1 commander;
- 1 gunner;
-10 passengers;
Motor output: 11.3 kW/t
Wheel axle: 8 x 8
Max. speed on road: 80 km/h
Max. speed on water: 12 km/h
Hill climbing ability: 30°
Lateral stability: 20°
Width of trench that can be overcome: 1.5-2 m
Stair climbing ability: 0.45 m

Main dimensions:

  • length: 7480 mm;
  • width: 3000 mm;
  • height (to hull roof): 1900 mm;
    (to turret roof): 2500 mm;
  • wheelbases: A-B: 1400 mm;
    B-C: 1950 mm;
    C-D: 1400 mm;
  • gauge: 2500 mm;
  • ground clearence: 450 mm;
  • approach angle: 45°;
  • departure angle: 45°;
  • minimum turning radius: 10 m;
  • waterline height: 1380 mm;

Engine

  • type: RÁBA-MAN 2156;
  • engine: diesel;
    -structure: 6-cylinder, vertical, in-line, water-cooled, overhead, direct injection;
    -power: 170.2 kW (2200 rpm)

Clutch

  • type: 0.82.1-1045-000;
  • system: single disc, dry friction;
  • operation: hydropneumatic

Tower complex

In case of the A variant

  • type: Otter
  • armament: 1 x 30 mm autocannone gun and 1 x 7.62 mm machine gun
  • horizontal firing angle range: 0°-360°;
  • vertical firing angle range: -5° +80°

In the case of version В

  • type: BMP-1 combat vehicle turret;
  • armament: 1 x 73 mm gun and 1 x 7.62 mm machine gun; 6 wired Malyutka anti-tank missiles;
  • horizontal firing angle range: 0°-360°
  • vertical firing angle range: -4° +30°;

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Showcase of the compartments: 1. driver, 2. commander, 3. gunner, 4. passengers, 5. driving compartment, 6. engine compartment, 7. fighting compartment, 8. transport compartment

Source

PSZH-2 Páncélozott szállító harcjármű | Haditechnikai Intézet (haditechnikaiintezet.hu)
PSZH-2 (Rába Magyar Vagon- és Gépgyár,1971) | HTKA fórum
real-j.mtak.hu/11715/1/Haditechnika_1993.pdf at page 257

Three axle PSZH

History

At the end of the 1960s, the idea of developing a highly efficient, second-generation armored personnel carrier (PSZH) arose. The vehicle development department of the Magyar Vagon- és Gépgyár - led by the Institute of Military Technology - developed the technical design of the modern, 4-axle PSZH-2. However, the plan wasn’t accomplished, due to the industrial policy decisions of the 1970s and the economic problems that arose.

In this situation, the Institute of Military Technology proposed the creation of a cheaper PSZH, which would have surpassed the 2-axle PSZH in production and combat-technical parameters.

Based on the proposal, the plan of the new PSZH was completed, with the Specialist personal of Magyar Vagon- és Gépgyár - with regard to production to simplify and reduce production costs - if manufactured the vehicle would use a lot of parts from already existing vehicles for easier production, it would have used parts and units from the D-944 PSZH and the D-566 off-road vehicle.

The technical plan developed on the basis of these principles: lightly armored vehicle, 3-axle, all-wheel drive, floating, rear engine, .

From the blueprint, it can be established that the vehicle to be developed from it would have met the requirements, and would have been an improvement over the D-944 type PSZH, as:

  • had good maneuverability on dry land and on water;
  • its performance bonus was adequate;
  • it provided adequate armor protection for the transported passengers ;
  • made it possible to overcome contaminated terrain with radiation, chemical and biological dangers.
  • its firepower could also have been improved in the future because of the space inside the vehicle, turret
  • could have served as a base for different purpose armored vehicles (commander, reconnaissance, ambulance, etc.).

Despite all these advantages, Hungary chose to manufacture buses and other non military vehicles, because of this, the vehicles project was stopped, even if it would have been cheaper and easier to manufacture than the previous version. In July 1972, the the fate of the development in the initial stages of works was sealed, work stopped.

The main technical data of the combat vehicle:

Name: PSZH-M
Combat weight: 10.5 t
Number of persons transported: 9 persons, of which
- 1 driver
- 1 commander;
- 1 gunner;
- 6 passengers;
Motor output: 16,2 kW/t
Wheel axle: 6x6
Max. speed on road: 80 km/h
Max. speed on water: 12 km/h
Hill climbing ability: 30°
Lateral stability: 20°
Width of trench that can be overcome: 1.5 m
Stair climbing ability: 0.45 m

Main dimensions:

  • length: 6750 mm;
  • width: 2500 mm;
  • height (to hull roof): 1900 mm;
    (ro turret roof): 2500 mm;
  • ground clearence: 420 mm;
  • wheelbases: A-B: 2000 mm; B-C: 2000 mm;
  • approach angle: 45°;
  • departure angle: 45°;
  • minimum turning radius: 10 m;
  • waterline height: 1300 mm;

Engine

  • type: RÁBA-MAN 2156;
  • engine: diesel;
    -structure: 6-cylinder, vertical, in-line, water-cooled, overhead, direct injection;
    -power: 170.2 kW (2200 rpm)

Tower complex

Same as on the D-944 PSZH

  • armament: 1 x KVPT 14.5 mm heavy machine gun and 1 x KGKT 7.62 mm machine gun
  • optic: KM-1, which is a day-night sight

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Source

Haditechnika 30. (1996) (mtak.hu) at page 233

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+1 as part of a V4 tree or as part of an independent Czechoslovak or Polish tree.
Very nice presentation of Hungarian vehicles!

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Do you have any photos of Hungarian Hetzers?

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Yes.

Pictures

Mókus - Squirrel
It is said that the tank hit a mine.


Marika- a name that has Hungarian origin
The tank was slipped into a trench and was left by its crew.

T-038 numbers on the side can be visible.
It has German insignia but it’s a Hungarian hetzer.

If I see more or find them in a better resolution, I’ll report back.

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+1 for V4 tech tree. Also, here’s a really cool camo pattern on a Hungarian T-72A.

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Nice find! It looks really cool.

+1

I voted for a “Reverse Israel style” TT for the time being but that stance may change to a full independent TT in the future

I do think that a couple of the vehicles might to be removed or have their Tiers/BR’s changed though

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Thank you!

Yeah I know there are a lot of lower br vehicles that dont need to be added or are unnecessary, but I like to show them too.

If you have any advice or suggestion than I am happy to hear it.

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This is a very well researched tree with a lot of post war vehicles I did not know about but I have found some other vehicles that might be worth adding.
First would be a Medic Toldi which has a reduced ammo load and a slightly larger hatch.

Another could be the Zrinyi H-801 prototype made out of mild steel (so the 75mm of armor would only be ~30mm of RHA effectiveness) and only having 5 degrees of depression.
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A final one could be this mysterious Turan I with what is most likely some 44M rocket launcher boxes on the rear as we know they could elevate to 60 degrees. It also appears to carry a reload in place of the smokes.
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That warthunderlive person I linked has a lot of info on Hungarian stuff in WW2 that could be helpful as well as his website here.

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Hi! I am happy that you learnt about the modern/Cold War vehicles, they are not talked about much.

Toldi egészségügyi

I knew about the medical version of the Toldi but did not had any pictures so thank you, I thought about putting in the tech tree but I never put it in, but after you suggested it I can put it in the Tech tree, maybe as a premium.
It could have a special mechanic where you could heal other team mates crew members who are red or could give one crewmen to a team mate.
Or it could function as a normal Toldi.

Zrínyi prototype

That is a similar to rhe Zrínyi in the tech tree that is named Zrínyi 100mm, what I learnt is that you can know it’s a prototype because of the different rivets on the gun mantlet and it has 9 rivets above the drivers hatch in a line, why I named it 100mm you may ask. It’s because from putting the normal Zrínyi and a prototype Zrínyi side by side it can be seen that the prototype one has thicker frontal plate and I suspect it is 100mm because that is what makes sense. I did not have that picture about the prototype Zrínyi so thank you :D

I don’t think putting a mild steel prototype would be good, I would say let it be RHA and put it at a higher br than the normal Zrínyi, which is what I have done. But what do you say, also is that the book only about the Zrínyi tanks? Does it have more info on the Zrínyi prototype?

Rocket Turán

Ah, I know that Turán too. In the past I have found more info on it in a Haditechnika magazine, it says that the launcher could elevate to 60 degrees but we don’t know for sure, also interesting thing it says that the boxes dimension on the Turán can be between 1100-1200×250-300×250-300 mm. Now we know that the buzoganyveto rockets are 215mm, so it isn’t that.

Or maybe it is because this is an older magazine, in older haditechnika magazines they had a lot of misinformation regarding the buzoganyveto rockets because there wasn’t any info on them. If I remember correctly one of the Haditechnika magazines said that the buzoganyvetos were 250mm, which is false. So maybe 250 means 215.

Or the other thing I think it could launch is the Lidérc rockets which were 300mm in diameter. These were Air to air missiles but because of the war and other problems the project was not completed fully. They used these rockets against the enemy, making them into ground to ground rockets. Interesting thing is when they exploded they had a blue flame because of the specific chemicals in them.

I want to add it to the tech tree but I don’t know if we know enough info on it, but we might have enough.

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf at page 129

Thank you and I love your suggestions, recommendations.

I will try to give more information about the liderc and other things.

I wanted and will update the tech tree soon, I am just not in proximity of my computer right now.

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I have found more and clearer pictures of Hungarian hetzers.

Spoiler

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I would say no worries the KF41 has a place in a hungary tree / sub nation, it might be german development but it is being integrated into the hungarian army, one could propably say with this it had more reason then the addition to the german tree, german KF 41 i would put as a premium since it is to similar to the Puma

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A little update to the topic, interesting developments and paper tanks of Hungary in the cold war.

PSZH-2

History

At the end of the 1960s, in addition to the production of the the D-944 armored fighter carrier (PSZH), the Hungarian People’s Army sought greater performance and a more efficient second generation PSZH. According to the task on the basis of specified requirements, the Military Technology with the collaboration of the Institute, the Vehicle Development Department of the Rába Hungarian Wagon Workshop developed in 1971 s a modern, second-generation PSZH-2 technical plan.

To the stage of implementation (the sample until they were production) were no longer available since the 1970s saw industrial policy choices for prioritized the reversal of domestic bus production. These are decisions for a long time they defined the profile of the domestic vehicle production and they still feel their unfavorable influence to this day.

The Technical Plan for the Development of PSZH-2 called an all-wheel-drive, 4-axle,wheel, independent wheel suspension, floating armored transport fighter-vehicle design. The vehicle constructive design was the then standardized D-566 type military design for the off-road truck. This principle was realized by the engine, the engines, running gear, suspension, brake construction and winch mrespect.

The armor is a self-supporting, completely hermetically sealed, floating structure that had a differentiated thickness (up to 20mm, minimun of 4mm), made of different angled armor plates. Assembling the armor was with welding technology and the plate was of the standard reinforcements. Four high-strength steel tubes made a column that supported the bottom plate. The armor was designed to protect from 20-30mm autocannpns fire over a distance of more than 500 meter away from the front, and small arms fire and artillery shrapnel over 100-200 meters from all directions.

The lead area has seating for the driver and commander. The car is driven with 3 periscopic systems. The commander has a vision device in the rotating dome above his headis built into which a hatch hole is also trained.

The turret in the middle is atop with weapons equipment. Behind the turret is space for 10 troops in the transport space with ball-shaped slots built into the side so they can use their own weapons. The armor-body on left side is of 5 pieces, on right side 4 pieces, while the rear door has 2 slits. The turret complex has a diameter of 1500 mm and is 260 mm to the left vehicle’s longitudinal axis.

Two versions of the turret were planned. The Polish made Vidra complex that has a 30 mm autocannon and a 7,62 mm machine gun. Version B that is the Soviet BMP-1 turret complex which has a 73mm cannon with a 7.62 mm machine gun and a Maljutka wired remote control missile incorporating the launch system. The diesel engine is the Rába-MAN 2156 engine embedded in the
front right side of the vehicle. With regard to its construction, it is water-cooled 6 cylinder with a maximum output is 170.2 kW.

The tactical technical parameters of PSZH-2 were established in a technical plan for a vehicle which is in many respects, even today, can evaluate as an effective military technology.

The main technical data of the combat vehicle:

Vehicle name: PSZH-2
Combat weight: 15,000 kg
Number of persons transported: 13 persons, of which
- 1 driver
- 1 commander;
- 1 gunner;
-10 passengers;
Motor output: 11.3 kW/t
Wheel axle: 8 x 8
Max. speed on road: 80 km/h
Max. speed on water: 12 km/h
Hill climbing ability: 30°
Lateral stability: 20°
Width of trench that can be overcome: 1.5-2 m
Stair climbing ability: 0.45 m

Main dimensions:

  • length: 7480 mm;
  • width: 3000 mm;
  • height (to hull roof): 1900 mm;
    (to turret roof): 2500 mm;
  • wheelbases: A-B: 1400 mm;
    B-C: 1950 mm;
    C-D: 1400 mm;
  • gauge: 2500 mm;
  • ground clearence: 450 mm;
  • approach angle: 45°;
  • departure angle: 45°;
  • minimum turning radius: 10 m;
  • waterline height: 1380 mm;

Engine

  • type: RÁBA-MAN 2156;
  • engine: diesel;
    -structure: 6-cylinder, vertical, in-line, water-cooled, overhead, direct injection;
    -power: 170.2 kW (2200 rpm)

Clutch

  • type: 0.82.1-1045-000;
  • system: single disc, dry friction;
  • operation: hydropneumatic

Tower complex

In case of the A variant

  • type: Otter
  • armament: 1 x 30 mm autocannone gun and 1 x 7.62 mm machine gun
  • horizontal firing angle range: 0°-360°;
  • vertical firing angle range: -5° +80°

In the case of version В

  • type: BMP-1 combat vehicle turret;
  • armament: 1 x 73 mm gun and 1 x 7.62 mm machine gun; 6 wired Malyutka anti-tank missiles;
  • horizontal firing angle range: 0°-360°
  • vertical firing angle range: -4° +30°;

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Showcase of the compartments: 1. driver, 2. commander, 3. gunner, 4. passengers, 5. driving compartment, 6. engine compartment, 7. fighting compartment, 8. transport compartment

Source

PSZH-2 Páncélozott szállító harcjármű | Haditechnikai Intézet (haditechnikaiintezet.hu)
PSZH-2 (Rába Magyar Vagon- és Gépgyár,1971) | HTKA fórum
real-j.mtak.hu/11715/1/Haditechnika_1993.pdf at page 257

Three axle PSZH

History

At the end of the 1960s, the idea of developing a highly efficient, second-generation armored personnel carrier (PSZH) arose. The vehicle development department of the Magyar Vagon- és Gépgyár - led by the Institute of Military Technology - developed the technical design of the modern, 4-axle PSZH-2. However, the plan wasn’t accomplished, due to the industrial policy decisions of the 1970s and the economic problems that arose.

In this situation, the Institute of Military Technology proposed the creation of a cheaper PSZH, which would have surpassed the 2-axle PSZH in production and combat-technical parameters.

Based on the proposal, the plan of the new PSZH was completed, with the Specialist personal of Magyar Vagon- és Gépgyár - with regard to production to simplify and reduce production costs - if manufactured the vehicle would use a lot of parts from already existing vehicles for easier production, it would have used parts and units from the D-944 PSZH and the D-566 off-road vehicle.

The technical plan developed on the basis of these principles: lightly armored vehicle, 3-axle, all-wheel drive, floating, rear engine, .

From the blueprint, it can be established that the vehicle to be developed from it would have met the requirements, and would have been an improvement over the D-944 type PSZH, as:

  • had good maneuverability on dry land and on water;
  • its performance bonus was adequate;
  • it provided adequate armor protection for the transported passengers ;
  • made it possible to overcome contaminated terrain with radiation, chemical and biological dangers.
  • its firepower could also have been improved in the future because of the space inside the vehicle, turret
  • could have served as a base for different purpose armored vehicles (commander, reconnaissance, ambulance, etc.).

Despite all these advantages, Hungary chose to manufacture buses and other non military vehicles, because of this, the vehicles project was stopped, even if it would have been cheaper and easier to manufacture than the previous version. In July 1972, the the fate of the development in the initial stages of works was sealed, work stopped.

The main technical data of the combat vehicle:

Name: PSZH-M
Combat weight: 10.5 t
Number of persons transported: 13 persons, of which
- 1 driver
- 1 commander;
- 1 gunner;
- 6 passengers;
Motor output: 16,2 kW/t
Wheel axle: 6x6
Max. speed on road: 80 km/h
Max. speed on water: 12 km/h
Hill climbing ability: 30°
Lateral stability: 20°
Width of trench that can be overcome: 1.5 m
Stair climbing ability: 0.45 m

Main dimensions:

  • length: 6750 mm;
  • width: 2500 mm;
  • height (to hull roof): 1900 mm;
    (ro turret roof): 2500 mm;
  • ground clearence: 420 mm;
  • wheelbases: A-B: 2000 mm; B-C: 2000 mm;
  • approach angle: 45°;
  • departure angle: 45°;
  • minimum turning radius: 10 m;
  • waterline height: 1300 mm;

Engine

  • type: RÁBA-MAN 2156;
  • engine: diesel;
    -structure: 6-cylinder, vertical, in-line, water-cooled, overhead, direct injection;
    -power: 170.2 kW (2200 rpm)

Tower complex

Same as on the D-944 PSZH

  • armament: 1 x KVPT 14.5 mm heavy machine gun and 1 x KGKT 7.62 mm machine gun
  • optic: KM-1, which is a day-night sight

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Source

Haditechnika 30. (1996) (mtak.hu) at page 233

And I have found how many rockets can the Toldi Buzogányvető carry.

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+1 from me! I love Hungarian tanks, especially World War II

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Bigger update on the tree. Added 5 vehicles and fixed/changed some vehicles. It can be viewed on the top or here in the comments.

More vehicles and fixes
Added vehicles
44.M Toldi I egészségügyi

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In 1944, some Toldi tanks were converted into a medical vehicle, however, the only serious thing the conversion changed was the widening of the right-side turret hatch and the reduction of the amount of ammunition carried in the vehicle. In March 1944, 9 Toldi tanks wer converted in the Ganz factory, the converted medical tanks were handed over to the military during the summer.

It is almost the same as the Toldi I (A.20), only the right side turret hatch was changed and it carries less ammo. All other things are the same. Also it would have the red cross.

Could have a special mechanic where you could heal other team members crews, or give one crew personal to a team member.

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Sources

This text will be hidden at page 250 and 279

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11712/1/Haditechnika_1991.pdf at page 231

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40.M Turán Prototype

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Almost same as the 40.M Turán I, it has a different drivers port which could make the weakspot smaller or outright deleted and give armor to the sorrounding area.

Sources

(http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf) at page 66

Vetőcsöves Turán

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A really rare and interesting vehicle, not much is known about it. It was photographed in 1944 in front of the HTI building. It is said that the boxes on the vehicle had rockets that could be fired. It is not far fetched as we can see that they put rockets on the Zrínyi I and a Toldi.

The launchers can be elevated to around 60 degrees. and they had the dimension of 1100-1200x250-300x250-300 mm, now there are two possibilities. One could be the Buzogányvető rockets and the other one could be the Lidérc rockets. But the Buzogányvető seems more plausible because it was mounted on other vehicles and had more manufactured than the Lidérc rocket.

I wrote down the Buzogányvető rockets on other vehicles so I wont repeat it here but I will tell what the Lidérc rocket was.

The Lidérc

An experimental air to air missile, the project sadly was never fully finished because of the war and time running out. It would be launched from planes to destroy bombers and bomber formations. But that would never be accomplished

Specifications:

diameter: 300mm
Total weight: 141,3 kg
Length: 1432 mm
Explosive: 10,92 kg of TNT or TNT/NPT
At 45-50 degree angle it could make 5-8 km distance
Destroying radius: aorund 60-70 m on the sides and 5-8 m on forward and back

Both rockets can be deadly, the problem is with the lidérc’s speed, it would launch the rocket far away, while the Buzogányvető has a 56 m/s speed and could be fired into the capture zones and elsewhere

It would be cool to see it in game, it would have the function of an artillery, same as the Matilda hedgehog.

Sources

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11717/1/Haditechnika_1995.pdf at page 129

http://real-j.mtak.hu/11730/1/Haditechnika_2009.pdf at page 126

KF41 Híúz Spike

Hungary will have spike missiles on the KF41, I made two versions one with and one without the spike.
This one is the same KF41 as the 10.0 one but it has spikes.

This is the box where the spike will go.

Pictures of the KF41










The pictures come from me. In Ludovika there was an exhibition where you could view vehicles. There was the KF41, Panzerhaubitze, Gidtán and BTRs.

Sources

Íme a Lynx!

Lynx (gyalogsági harcjármű) – Wikipédia

KF 41 Híúz SPAAG

Hungary has announced in the past that it will have and SPAAG version. It will use the Skyranger 30 system.

Specifications of Skyranger 30:

Mass (turret only): 2–2.5 t
Length (turret only): 5.175 mm
Width (turret only): 2.568 mm
Height (turret only): 1.444 mm
Crew: 3
Maximum firing range gun: 3000 m
missile: Mistral 2 or 3
Armor: STANAG 4569 Level 2, upgradable to Level 4

Sources

(https://www.parlament.hu/documents/static/biz41/bizjkv41/HOB/2106081.pdf) page 18
Íme a Lynx!
Lynx (gyalogsági harcjármű) – Wikipédia
Skyranger 30 - Wikipedia

Fixes and changes

Picture was changed on the 38.M Toldi I (A.20), the previous picture was the B.20 not the A.20. It does not have the antena now.

The Toldi with the Tetőgéppuska was changed, its name is now 42.M Toldi II B.20 from 38.M Toldi I (A.20). Because it has the antena.

The KF41 dimensions changed and specifications changed. Source Íme a Lynx! .

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Have you considered adding the Marder II into the suggestion

I know it is a German vehicle not an Hungarian vehicle but i feel like it will have more of a purpose in the Hungarian TT while it will be redundant in the German TT (they already have the Marder III)

Also we should keep an eye on the Gidran armoured car incase if it can carry ATGM, SAM’s and/or autocannons

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I have made several tech trees that have german and soviet vehicles, I want to keep this tech tree clean. Because when I first wanted to post this it would have had the reverse israel style tree, a mixed hungarian tech tree, a non mixed one and a sub tree. But it was not approved so I just stuck to a non mixed Hungarian tech tree. Maybe in the future I will add some german or russian vehicles.

I just want to show you these tech trees that I have made but were not approved together.

Reverse Israel style tech tree

not mixed

Mixed

Hungarian tech tree with other countries equipment

Hungarian sub tree in Italy

Unfoldered

Foldered

Note! This was made before I updated this tree so there are some vehicles missing.

Its not the perfect but it gives a general idea of how hungary with other countries equipment could work.

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Also, yes I am on the lookout for potential upgunned Gidrán vehicles! In the future we will probably have an ATGM version, maybe an SPAA/SHORAD version too.

Also there is a mortar Gidrán variant that was made with a 120 mm mortar, the weapon is in the vehicle, which is cool but sadly it does not fit into wt, maybe in the future.

120mm mortar in a Gidrán

right side, you can see the roof can be opened

picture while its shooting

inside

And its a Hungarian development

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This is honestly pretty amazingly researched. I honestly see it as such capable of being its own tech tree but otherwise I see no reason why would Hungary go under Italy other than that Italy lacks vehicles itself. If it would become a subtree I think it should work like Helicopter tech tree but from rank one and coupled with Germany. As for the Navy maybe just compile a tech tree of vessels produced in the Hungarian part of the empire :).

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+1 very interesting tech tree. I would like to design a aircraft tech tree, if Hungary had own aircrafts.

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