Am I calling myself a master? where? Quite the contrary, I’m here saying that I have a lot to learn, what I said is that when I first learned to play the FW190, the best players used them, I’m not including myself. Even because, I will hardly reach a level of excellence, I don’t have much free time to dedicate myself to the game, but I will try to be the best I can. You’re right about me always going up and trying not to get hit, I noticed that a few days ago, when I played exclusively with the FW190A I never did that, but I was trying to understand the physics of the D model, and based on its engine I believed it would be a good alternative is to try to leave the enemy behind (I’m working on that). You were dishonest with me in a match (you attacked me for no reason, when you were on my team), that’s not why I’m here attacking you, and I didn’t even create a rivalry with you as it seems you are creating with me. Just watch people’s opinions and you will see that the problem with the FW is not restricted to me, including on 1 or 2 occasions I was able to return the TK you gave me but I didn’t. The things you brought in these matches make the community increasingly weak, it’s your point of view, I’m just reporting what happened. But ok, just as you disagree with me, some others agree, that’s why this is called a forum, so we can discuss what can be improved. This is my only purpose here.
There was a time when FW190’s up to B.R 4.7 dominated matches. That’s why I was interested in the FW190. It was rare to see people playing with him and getting great scores, but when good players entered the game they always used 190 and almost always positioned far ahead of the rest. The FW190 is the type of aircraft you need to play a lot of time with to do well. This brings up yet another strange issue, hardly anyone uses the fw190s anymore, and when you find 190 players, they always have low scores. I can only stay on top when I enter matches against beginner players, any average player defeats 190 easily. I hope you understand what I mean, and I repeat at no time am I being arrogant or saying that I am an excellent FW player, understand the context.
US study show that 80% Dogfights finish after one turn, where pilots decided to run/pursuit. I’m believe it was like common knowledge at the time. Because constructors build faster and faster planes.
As you also said G force was the limit not planes. Usually sustain 3g turn rate in planes where power weight ratio at the time was around 0.5 was enough.
That’s why majority planes was build in this principle. This whole light weight plane energy retention (Yak, Ki84) it’s just biggest bullshit in this game + better turn performance with flaps.
(Every designer want put as powerful engine in smaller airframe. Light weight always = less airframe stiffness less durbality. And meany other structurally problems but I don’t have time for this)
It’s great example in IL2 where high instantaneous turn FW190 and high acceleration can deal in Dogfight quite good if you are skilled.
Also WT ballistic… f come on… laser beams.
And little picture from today
Well remembered! I wasn’t aware of this study, but it aligns with what I’ve been saying.
I don’t play IL-2, but I often watch gameplay videos, and I’ve noticed that the FW190 is indeed a very powerful aircraft, especially its weaponry, which efficiently damages opponents, and the projectiles are noticeably devastating on impact.
There’s an account of a Yakovlev squadron choosing to leave the battlefield after realizing they would be facing a squadron composed of FW190s.
Did you watch the video Gaijin released about the FW190 a few months ago? Throughout the video, they question whether the FW really was such a powerful aircraft, even comparing it to some Soviet relics and suggesting that the FW190 wasn’t innovative in terms of introducing electrical systems, claiming that some of those Russian relics already had such devices. The video is quite ridiculous.
Woooow! FW n spitfire?
Unfortunately it SU-29 acrobatic plane…
Suspicious from far look like “non agile in WT” FW190…
But to be honest these different designs ;)
Yea I see these video. Soviets aviation was soo good that they lose around 10.000 planes in first year of the war.
The wing shape in the second image reminds me of a Spitfire, and in the first image, it resembles the wing of an FW. You’re a lucky guy; where I live, we don’t have this type of airshow. One day, I’d like to visit an aviation museum.
Thank you for adding information to my post o7.
sometimes we have to realize that EC Sim is unfortunately only a AB/RB modification.
yes the info was missing that russian 40’s airplanes had already fly by wire and warp drive :)
Players who maintain high KD ratios in a plane are playing the plane how it’s supposed to be played.
Who’d thought.
Yes! In WT, DCS or any other simulation environment, 190 will only perform well respecting its qualities. BnZ and speed for life on it.
Whoever uses it as a ZEKE or SPIT and thinks it will do well will spend a lot.
I think the problem is that, even considering its qualities, there’s an evident gap in overall performance compared to other fighters in its br(this about the dora, other antons are pretty fine)
For instance, comparing the d9/12 to the f4u4b:
F4u does everything the dora does, but is super maneuverable, has better guns with great ballistic and consistent damage.(and can open the freaking canopy). Both being at the same br is certainly weird, considering the dora has only one card to play while the others(p51, heck, even the p47) have several ones in hand.
Again, wtf gaijin, why do the d9/12 have higher br than the premium one?
In the end, dora is actually just a potato at its br compared to ta152,f4u4b, mustangs, and even the p47 N(4.7) , that while might not have the same climb, have all other stats comparable
It’s right here.
It’s not the physics of the FW190D model that you don’t understand. You don’t understand dogfighting at all. You make very basic mistakes so in FW190D and don’t get much use out of the airframe.
Here is what I mean;
I come in with more energy than you do.
At 10 seconds I am already making my lead turn before you are even past me. You delay your turn for too long after we pass which just opens up space for me. Even at this point though you can still use flaps and pull in for forced head-on. Instead you do a gentle turn and then point your nose straight up. You tried to set up some kind of energy trap that will not work against decent players.
It’s because you tried to conserve energy that you ended up stalling in front of my guns when you would
have been better off just using landing flaps and playing for angle and trying to force a shot. Or you should have just shot in the head on as soon as you noticed I wasn’t taking it.
That has never been the case. The only time they are dominant is when experienced players are working in pairs with them or when the enemy team is incompetent.
As it is most of your mid-skilled players tend to favor axis planes and US players tend to be either brand new or have a thousands of games.
Every very experienced dominant 190 player I have ran into falls apart when decent players end up on the enemy team. This isn’t really a fault of the plane…it’s a fault of the players that the 190 tends to attract.
It absolutely is not. It’s a modestly fast plane that doesn’t turn all that well. It’s very easy to play it like a slightly more agile P-47 or P-51. I’m not gonna say that it’s as easy as something like Ki-84 or F4U-4B…but anyone with experience in most American planes would do just fine in the 190s.
Let’s start, what I meant is because of “dominating” the plane and not that I’m a good player. I spoke in the sense of understanding the mechanics of the plane, the engine rotation in relation to the spin, n stol… mainly in low energy fights.
As I started on the 109, it took me a while to understand how easy it was for the 190 to enter spin, or ,It took me a while to understand that engine speed can spin the plane if it is accelerated abruptly. After some time I understood that the FW needs to work a lot with the rudder, I also realized that the center of mass is out of place, and mainly working with the engine, which produces a lot of rotation and can reverse the aircraft very easily, among other details. … I’m not the type of person who keeps reading topics or watching tutorials on “how to fly a fw190 in WT”, I try to improve my experience based on trial and error. to engage in fights without being able to make sharp turns, anyway… of knowing when I can slow down and maneuver, and that sort of thing.
On the issue of me making basic mistakes aboard the 190 Dora, I completely agree with you, I always played with the Anton versions, mainly A1 and A5, and I did reasonably well, when I entered games with average players I usually did well . The problem is that I acquired the Dora in just over 2 months, and the gameplay changes a lot compared to the Anton models.
As I said, my strategy with the 190-A was never just to go up and try to escape, but on the dora models, I figured this could be a good option, but I could already see that it is the worst choice. Any plane from the same BR as the Dora can easily reach you due to the absolute climb rate. I still couldn’t understand how to fight with the 190-D13, every game I’m trying a new strategy, every opponent is a new learning experience, at some point I must learn.
In the case of the video you brought here, I tried to do the following: I saw you at an altitude lower than me, I was already climbing and noticing you below, thinking of approaching from above, but as I saw that you noticed that I was there and it already turned towards me, I started a dive, until I retained the maximum energy, taking advantage of my altitude advantage, when I passed by you I looked back and saw that you started a climb without first gaining energy, you basically saw wu pass and turned in a half loop, so I thought that as I would be with a greater speed than you, and with a greater energy advantage, it would make it difficult for you to catch up with me at the top, and if you notice, I almost did, but because you were an experienced player managed to hit me even at stol speed. And the reason for the smooth turn was just thinking about producing less drag as possible, my idea was not to turn quickly and have an angle advantage against you, but to maintain an energy advantage to try to keep myself up and always with more energy if I came to miss the target, I could dive again and escape to the horizon trying to always look for you below my altitude level. Basically HnR. But again I realized that this strategy is poorly done or maybe it is really a bad option in this B.R.
Im putting this type of strategy aside, it really only works against beginners or intermediate players, and even so, sometimes I end up getting hurt or even down. But every day I try something new, the experience with the D13 and any aircraft in this family (ta152 and D9 or D12) is a completely new experience for me.
Another point that I have found very difficult in the gameplay with the Dora 13 is precision, I often have the advantage in dogfight but I manage to incredibly miss most of the shots, I am trying several different cobfigurations, including constantly changing ammo belts, but still not I managed to reach a favorable configuration. With the Anton models I always played between 300 and 400 meters of firing convergence, but in the Dora versions this is not a good option. Another important point is that I never play in a squad or with a wingman, I’m always alone in the matches and I hardly have support. In the last game I had with you, I noticed that I was playing together with AdelWolf, even in 1 or 2 moments I had you in my sights and I was surprised by AdelWolf. But anyway, as I already mentioned, much is due to my lack of skill with this aircraft, I will still be able to reach a good level of piloting with it, I see players using FW190 A8 and TA152 and doing very well in the matches. But I want to learn to play with the Dora version, I believe it can be one of the best aircraft of this B.R. And I like playing with this plane, mainly because few people play with it, I like challenges, I find it very boring to be in dogfights that are limited to “who can turn the most”.
Another point I want to make clear is that my native language is not English, I speak Portuguese, I manage to have a reasonable understanding of English but I always pass my texts through a proofreader, precisely so I don’t make many mistakes, and I don’t always reread the text integer to find out if there is any error out of context or interpretation, so the question of me having said “master on the FW190”, was a wrong interpretation of the broker in relation to what I meant. You need to be a little more humble and try to understand the context of things, I come here again to expose your stupid “rivalry” that you created with me a few games ago, I still didn’t understand your purpose, and at no time did I any dishonesty against you. Quite the contrary, you for some reason gave me TK, and so far ok, a simply childish attitude and of a person with no connection.
Actually he do proper job. One problem here is that planes at low speed still have very good nose authority.
He make proper trap. He can go into fake head on and prepare better this energy trap. But overall your nose authority and climbing capabilities even when you go fully in the trap leave him in bad position… well WT.
Another thing if he do immelman turn earlier he will not have turning room. Again with your nose authority and climbing. Go with easy on his 6.
But if FW190 Have better instantaneous turn + roll he can force you into climbing scissors and have chance.
But Gajin limited FW190 in that matter very hard…
The D-13 is a good plane if you don´t try to turnfight good turnfighters or energyfight good energyfighters.
Stick to BnZ, keep up your speed and you will be fine 90% of the time.
It´s not completely realistic, but WT never was.
Things like energy traps, ect. work way better in IL2 for example.
Yes, Corsairs are a real pain in the ass and overperforming a lot, but 5.3 is fine for the D-13.
If there is a german aircraft that needs a lower BR, its the ME 262.
I mean, first operatonal jet fighter? Flew in 1944 against Spitfires, P-39s and P-51s?
Instead you have to fight post war jets like Mig-9, SU-11 and F-89 with the double climb rate and speeds over 1000 km/h.