I don’t know, but I recall D-series being very powerful some years later (when F-86 and MiG17 was the top-tier meta). I played some battles at T4 lately and I have to admit that 190s must have gone through some nerf of FM. It all seems strange to me, because as you say, D-series should have really good performance (I believe it should outclimb Mk. IX?).
Though, I may be wrong on that.
Yes he is a good player. I get your point, it makes a lot of sense. I’ve been constantly wrong with my energy maneuvers, I always end up doing badly, even against less experienced players. I’m almost coming to terms with the fact that I don’t know how to play FW. But the video is cut, there it shows that I started below, but in reality my maneuver started above it, at first it seems that I start to fight below, but I had already gone down, note that I passed with a high speed by it. I made that wide, smooth turn thinking about producing as little drag as possible to keep enough power to stay out of machine gun range, as I spotted him below me and started a dive maneuver, gained speed in excess of 700km/h and passed him. , when I looked back I saw that he started a climb against me, without first retaining more energy, theoretically I should have been at least 150 or 200km/h faster than him. So I started a steep climb, to reach Stol speed, imagining that it would be very difficult for him to maintain control of the aim at low speed. Note that my speed was higher than his, even though I was shot down, his plane enters a stall before reaching my altitude. I tried to point the nose toward the ground to dive again, but it hit me before I could. This is usually what has happened frequently when I run this type of trap. I can say that it’s a strategy that works 50% of the time, it’s almost like counting on luck or on the opponent’s mistake, if he had missed the burst I would probably have landed BnZ on him, but in this B.R players usually have a good aim.
I made 2 short games(~20 or 30 min.) to check if something changed in the last months.
One with the A5 (Bracket 3.7-4.7)
and one with the D-13 (Bracket 5.0-6.0).
In the D-13 someone stole 2 kills from me, so it could also be 3 or 4.
FW 190s are still very good planes with good BRs, but you need some discipline.
They require height and speed, so after takeoff stay at 300-350 km/h and climb towards the action. Never fly in low!
They also loose speed very fast when you are turning, due to their high wing loading so don´t turn longer than few seconds.
If you want the furball, go for Spitfires, Zeros or Yaks.
In the FW you dive in, give some shots at ~700 km/h and get the f*ck out at high speed.
Just fly it like an ME 262 against props.
When the enemy is on your 6 and close, the mistake was already done. Try to dive away at max speed and run for help.
Against a P-51 you could try to turn (flaps are your friends here), because it will catch you.
But you can´t expect it to dominate everything.
The BR of 5.3 is good.
Right! Thank you for the tips. but one or two matches are inconclusive, even more so when we face inexperienced enemies (I’m not saying that’s your case), but when that happens it’s very easy to kill them. Yesterday I did a match, with a score of 10/0, I started with a TA152-C, I made 2 kills, I used an FW-A8, I did about 3 kills, and the rest with the Dora-13, but the enemies were completely bad, I faced spitfire mk IX, P51D, F4U-4, and a few others… all of them pretty incompetent. So if I’m going to take advantage of this game, I could say that the FW190 is the best plane in the game, but in fact it’s not. I still find the B.R of the FW190D and the Anton 8 version too high. The real problem is not specifically the FW being in that B.R, but rather superior planes in all aspects being in the same B.R or even lower, as is the case with the F4U-4 and the premium Spitfire from Israel (5.3 and 5.0). Especially now that the B.Rs change every 2 days. So you sometimes have matches like 4.0 to 5.0, and you have the option of the FW190 A4 and A5, to fight Spitfires with a climb rate of 31m/s. Do you understand?
That was just a quick check, if the planes were nerfed in the last months (didn´t play since may or so) but they perform well.
This is the real issue.
The Corsairs are UFOs to some degree, no question and the Israeli Spitfires climb rate is… high.
Nevertheless they do not outperform the Dora in every aspect. You have enough time to climb before the engagement and she is faster, so with a bit of patience you can control the battle. Just don´t play the turn-game with them…
Corsairs are a pain and need a FM rework, but that is not a FW 190 problem…
Yes, 80% of the players are not that good, fly to low and in a straight line into the furball aka death.
But if you have 10/0 games with the 190s, it´s hard to justify a lower BR.
If you lower them even further, they will smash everything. Imagine a good D-13 in a 4.0-5.0 game. That would be absolute seal clubbing.
In general, I don´t really understand what is your intention in this thread?
The D-13 is already a good plane for its BR. It has its strengths and weaknesses. Do you want it to be the best, most OP plane in its BR, outperforming everything else in every aspect?
Evidently the FW190 was not designed for close-range battles or low energy, this is obvious from the first experience with it.
If you still can’t understand the purpose of the post, I explain it here in a very brief way.
You have simulation battles that now change B.R constantly, so when the B.R is set to 4.0-5.0 or 4.3-5.3 battles, you will have as an option only the FW190 A1, A4, A5 and A8 (Although I own the D13 , I do not consider it as an option as it is a premium aircraft), to fight against Spitfires Mk. IX, F4U-4, and YAK-3.
So when the battles are set to 4.7-5.7 or 5.3-6.3 or 5.7-6.7, you will have the long nose FW family (TA152 and Dora 9 and 12) as an option, but the aircraft that are in these B.Rs, some are equivalent and others much superior. Why is the Israeli Spitfire at 5.0? And why is D13 in 5.3 and the other Doras in 5.7? Or rather, why are the FW190 D12 and D9 at 5.7 and the F4U-4 at 5.3? If you have battles rated 4.0-5.0 and are liable to face the premium Spitfire with 31m/s climb rate, why can’t you have the FW190 D9, D12 and D13 in that same B.R? Or do you think it’s reasonable that the Spitfire MK IX, and the F4U-4 are at B.R 5.0 and 5.3 respectively and the FW190 at 5.7? Why can these planes be on 5.0 and the FW190D not? This is one of my questions, the other is in relation to the excessive amount of drag that the Dora model has, practically the same energy loss as the Anton models, which have a radial engine.
Anyway, I hope you understood the purpose. Perhaps the title could be different, proposing to raise the B.R of the F4U-4 and Spitfires MK. IX, but this title ends up generating more discussion.
But this prove nothing. Have 514/85 K/D in Japanese FW190. It’s inferior to basically everything it can face at 4.7.
Just give all FW190 family performance from English and US test flights. Not this Russian one with breake cowling and wrong propeller(Still wining in vertical with La5F during test if I good recall)…
The Spitfire and D-13 have lower BRs because they are premiums. I consider the D-13 the “best” Dora and normally it should also be at 5.7.
The Spitfire would be fine at 5.3, but its premium and new and so on…
Besides, it is terrible to fly and I never found them difficult to kill.
The F4U-4 is just overperforming, so the BR seems to low.
(Btw. the real UFO is the XP-55. They should be unstable a.f. but fly like Su-57s with their thrust vectoring bullsh*t.)
But lowering all 190s BR is not the solution. They would outperform almost everything and create many balance problems.
Of course in a 5.7-6.7 bracket your Dora is outclassed by faster and better planes.
But also in 4.3-5.3 almost every 4.3 plane is prey for your D-13.
Planes were never 100% equal and thats the game.
If you don´t like that, only play the highest possible BR in the bracket.
It seems like you want to fly the “best” plane on the field and everything outperforming it in one single aspect is injustice.
Spitfires were never really a problem; out of all the ones I mentioned, the Spitfire is the least qualified. I’m talking here about the technical specs and the justification for the Dora models being at 5.7 while other superior or equivalent aircraft are at 5.0 or 5.3. I don’t see what imbalance it would cause by placing the “D” models at 5.3, just like the F4U-4. At no point did I say I wanted the Dora to be dominant in matches, but rather that the qualities the plane possesses are surpassed by aircraft with a lower BR and even more so with a higher BR.
If you have a plane that turns like a 4-axle truck, and your only way out is to use energy traps to fight, it doesn’t seem fair to put it up against fighters that have more energy than you, make tighter turns than you, and also climb faster than you. Theoretically, any aircraft could then play the role of the FW190, since the only option is to always stay above everyone all the time.
You can play this “reduce BR” game with many other planes.
Why is the AD at 5.7, or the BF109-K4, or the J2M5, and so on and so on.
They are not “better” than the Dora, so you would have to reduce their BR too.
This would start a BR reduction chaos.
As I said, the F4U-4 is overperforming and could also be at 5.7.
But again: That´s not a FW 190 problem. It´s a Corsair FM problem.
And a 0.3 BR difference doesn´t change anything.
The FW 190s are my favorite planes too and I really love them. But their BR is fine.
I personally think the antons are fine at their br, but the issue is with the doras being 5.7… many planes at lower br do what dora does and more. Speed, maneuverability, fire power, precision, climb, MER and LER, fw excel in none of these when we compare it with other planes in his br, and it loses all these points even to lower br planes. Example: p47,p51, corsairs and 109. If you pick a p51D, or p47, for instance, they will have advantage in all the points I made above(except fire power and control over 600km/h) and yeah, they all are 5.0 or 4.7, which is a huge difference considering a dora d9 is 5.7
Should dora become 4.7? Certainly not, but seeing it being 5.7 facing many monster props is insane.The only tactic you have, can be done( and countered) by most enemy planes, and they have many other cards to play with, while you can just run straight( which is certainly inferior considering most of enemy planes have at least the same climb rate of you, you become simply an inferior fighter)
Thats it, gaijin, at least make all the doras the same br of 5.3
Some thoughts by a p51 pilot , dogfighting 3 190s, on the fw190
0.3 reduction can change a lot yes. As I explained before, the main features of the FW190 Dora such as the high speed gain in a short time and its reasonably good rate of climb for a heavy plane, are easily overcome by the planes of your B.R, the question of the BF109-K is very different , the BF109 are much more maneuverable than the FW190, and more maneuverable than many enemy planes, such as the F4U-4, P51, P47 and P38, which are the planes we most face in battle. So reducing the FW190 would not justify reducing the BF109. The FW190 requires you to always maintain good speed, and an altitude advantage, but when you face planes of B.R 5.7 and above you end up being at a complete disadvantage. It is very easy to understand this. even more so that you will often fight against 6.7 planes depending on the B.R configuration, I still find it very reasonable to bring the FW190 D, to 5.3 or maybe 5.0, and raise the B.R of the F4U-4.