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Jumo-213F probably never ended up on the plane. It appears Germany was still in the process of testing it when the war ended.
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weird why many sources keep saying the F and F-1 engine ?
they claim the fw 190 d13 in the museum uses f engine which is the only fw 190 d13 exist in irl in 2025/2026
what about the performance data?
was it able to reach 2250 hp with boost?
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I would have to do more research. It appears Jumo-213F would not have much performance difference than Jumo-213E. My bet is that the higher boost setting on Jump-213F was only bench tested and the war ended before it could be implemented. There is power curve for it in Calum Douglas book.
Just look at photos in long post you made and you’ll see multiple engine types/cooling arrangements.
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yes that’s am confuse so many sources have different engines / info i can’t tell which is right !
if the engine is the F would help the fw 190 D13 a little bit in dog fights !
Unfortunately I don’t think there is anything more I can tell you about this with absolute certainty than what you have already discovered. Sources are often conflicting and vague.
We know that the only difference between the Jumo 213F and Jumo 213E is the absence/presence of an intercooler, and that the Jumo 213F compensated for that by spraying MW 50 for charge cooling instead of only knock protection. Therefore, the Jumo 213F should not be seen as an enhancement of the Jumo 213E, but rather a simplified production version with reduced cost and complexity by making sacrifices, like the Panzer IV J is to the Panzer IV H.
The DB 603 L and DB 603 LA have the same relationship, being two-stage supercharged engines, with the “L” variant having an intercooler, and the “LA” being identical but with no intercooler. In the LA, MW 50 spraying for charge cooling was required above 1.45 ata.
I don’t have any source information to back this statement up, but it stands to reason that the Jumo 213F would have also required spraying of MW 50 starting at much lower manifold pressures compared to the E variant engine. This is a disadvantage, but in War Thunder it would be negligible since there is not enough time to run out of MW 50.
I find it very unlikely that the F engine would have been capable of any higher power level than the E engine without additional modifications. The 2250hp with Jumo 213F does not sound like a reasonable number for a combat aircraft, maybe only as a test bench engine like the Jumo 213 A with C3 fuel. If the F could run 2250hp then the E should have been able to as well, but then all this would seem to defeat the purpose of the Jumo 213EB.
As for which engine was used in which aircraft, it is hard to say but it’s entirely possible that among the low double digit numbers of prototype, pre-production and early production Fw 190 D-11/12/13 built, that some aircraft used one engine, and others the other engine. Standardized mass production never properly began for these aircraft before the end of the war making them individually hand-crafted machines. For our purposes in War Thunder the difference between the two engines would likely be insignificant.
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Fw 190 D-11/12/13 definitely did not have GM-1 systems equipped regardless of which engines they used, that was a feature on the Ta 152 H. As for the boost provided by GM-1, it was only useful for the highest altitudes. MW 50 is for knock protection and charge cooling at high manifold pressures below the supercharger’s rated altitude. Above that, MW 50 would provide no benefit as there is not enough air pressure for the supercharger to maintain the high manifold pressure. In this case GM-1 is engaged to provide extra oxygen to the engine. Activating GM-1 at low altitude would not provide a benefit because the manifold pressure is limited automatically by the throttle, and increasing the manifold pressure further by modifying or disabling the limiter would increase the risk of catastrophic failure and shorten the life of the engine.
Again, the 2250 HP figure is not believable for a combat aircraft using Jumo 213E or F. These are numbers more like what was intended for the EB engine and are maybe from a test engine.
The specific Fw 190 D-13 we have in game is based on the real-life surviving one, “Yellow 10” and not one of those prototypes. Considering it still exists it should be possible to determine whether this plane uses the Jumo 213F or Jumo 213E, but I have not been able to find out for sure on the internet. Regardless, as I said in my previous post it would make very little difference ingame. The info you provided here says the D-13 used the 15mm MG 151 as the motorkanone which I had never heard of before, while another post you referred to says someone who worked on the D-13 Yellow 10 said it had a 30mm motorkanone. And the D-13 as designed was meant to have a 20mm MG 151 motorkanone. The sources are contradictory here. I once again point out that there were significant variations between individual aircraft even of the same variant due to the nature of their rushed and prototype/pre-production construction in the chaos of 1945 Germany.
The chart you provided with flight performance of various aircraft including Fw 190 D-15 and Fw 190 D-12 /Ta 152 with Jumo 213 EB was included in my post and it is all calculated data. Those speed figures are not derived from any real test flights and must be taken with a large grain of salt. The incredible speed of the calculated Fw 190 D-12 with Jumo 213 EB is probably an optimistic estimate.
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i want make suggestion about Fw 190 D12/R25
More stuff
Fw 190 D12 EB engine only 1 was built and tested !
i think this would be very cool plane to have and fun to dog fight with
if you have any info about it please post it would help me in suggestion !
thank you !
and found this website
Junkers Jumo 213
new info about EB engine i found :
Some things i found in my Book
Spoiler
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wow thanks a lot !
these info very very helpful
i wonder does the book have any info about the Fw 190 D12 with EB engine called the V63 Fw 190 D12?
Sorry couldnt find anything about it not even a mentioned.
Oh and i want to give this FW 190 Varaiant some attention
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also funny how the fw 190 D13 in mobile have this skin
war thunder pc
Fw 190 D13 engines type in phone
Fw 190 D13 engine in wt pc
Weird gajin use the Jumo F-1 engines in wt phone in this fw 190 d13 i guess it’s different from fw 190 d13 we have in game !?
Also the fw 190 D13 will lose ( THE BEST dora title soon ;) ).
keep eye on the suggestion.
So, I don’t think the skin we currently have for the D13 is bad. It could maybe use a few more markings, but well, it is a very old premium aircraft.
Regarding the screenshot, I’m not sure how to interpret the highlighted text. Based on the keywords “later” and "prototypes“, it’s really unclear to me which engine will actually be used in the mobile game. To me, it sounds more like historical information than a specification.
However, I generally agree with the many other players who are calling for a complete overhaul of the D series. It’s clearly showing its age and could really use some attention.