F104S TUF is hard to use and need to decrease the BR or get the AIM-9L!

[Vuling]

Today i spend 5000GE purchase the F104S TUF to research the italy aircraft tech-tree.This plane is a joke.In 11.3,there is no chance for you to get the window and the AIM-9P almost useless.So,GAIJIN,please play your game and at least let the people who willing to pay for it have fun!
Three hours spend in it and the only thing i get is desperate.Only 24000 research point one hour.

[AlvisWisla]

9Ls would make it a minimum of BR 11.7, potentially higher because it could bomb bases with 6x 9Ls which not even F-111F can do.
At 11.3 it’s the same BR as F-4E while being the fastest fighter-bomber at the BR.

[Beeschurger]

@Vuling

Today i spend 5000GE purchase the F104S TUF to research the italy aircraft tech-tree

Did you even do any research before buying it? This plane is widely considered to be bad, if not one of the worst premium planes for its BR, and has been for years. There are numerous threads on forums about it.

[YaSen]

Load napalm and rush to bases, then you can try to help your team in the air.
They won’t give you AIM-9L, first, TAF has never used it on their F-104s, second, just look at ASA and think at what br F-104S with adequate RWR and AIM-9L would sit.
PS You are playing Italian tech tree, get ready to get br penalty for every plane, but ones which are also represented in other nations TTs.

[Vuling]

I‘m Chinese and every video in there say that it’s a good plane to research the italy tech-tree…

[Beeschurger]

@Vuling

and every video

cant speak for chinese social media, but on WT forums as well as standard platforms like youtube, F-104S TAF is often considered to be bad, if not the worst premium plane for its BR, and has been for years.

Only strategy where it might be viable as grinder is to use napalm and just go for the bases. Its up to you in you find fun in that; on top of the fact that lot of people do spam the TAF(and other planes with napalm) the exact same way, so you will have some stiff competition.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but you effectively wasted your GE on it.

F-104S TAF Lower the BR

This thing needs to be 10.7 like when it was released, it is literally unplayable at 11.0 , at least the mig-21 Bis’s get All aspect missiles at 11.0. This thing has a worse radar than MIG-21s, and has AIM-9Ps. Now compare this with JA-37C Viggen at the same BR of 11.0 , PD RADAR , turns better, has AIM-7E2 dogfight missiles instead of the garbage AIM-7Es and does not need to sacrifice gun for radar missiles.

f-104S TAF

I propose to rebalance the F-104S by removing AIM-7E missiles from it and possibly simultaneously with this reduction in the number of AIM-9P. considering that the armament is a “balance value”, in my opinion, this will be a great reason to place it in a more comfortable environment where there will be no MIG-29, F-14, F-16, which it will not be able to resist.

The BR of the high tier F-104s needs to be reconsidered

F-104S ASA should be a lower BR and probably should be 11.3 if it wasnt for the F-104S TAF at 11.3 with Aim-9Ls. So that should drop to 11.0. The others I wont comment on though as I have no idea how they perform

F-104S/TAF, something needs to change

Lot of premium need BR restructuring and price slashing altogether. TAF and Draken especially need to have their price slashed down and BR lowered, they’re not what they used to be anymore.

Italian F-104S (TAF) Premium - Please Replace

Gaijin, Please give replace this plane with an actual fighter that is worth the month spent on this. I know you’ve replaced premiums before like Sweden’s CV 90105. This plane has to be one of the worst premium plans in recent years. All I’m asking for is you guys to consider replacing it with something that is more capable as a fighter. Thanks!

F-104s taf

The worst premium plane in the game. The developer shows absolute incompetence by leaving this plane a combat rating of 11.3. At the same time, I will note that its direct competitors are the MiG-21 and MiG-23M at 11.0. Superior planes in all respects have a lower combat rating, and it plays against the MiG-23ML, Phantom-4S, MiG-21 Bison for which it is food. And the funniest thing is that the plane is configured so that an R-60M launched into the rear hemisphere ignores all false heat targets, …

F-104s; 104s asa 104s taf

The S Series Starfighter are simply outclassed at that Battlerating yet somehow in gaijin’s eyes the 11.3 and 11.0 seems justified. The aspide SARH is mediocre at best not to mention that you loose your internal gun to use the SARH and how can you honestly put a Starfighter on the same level as a late variant Phantom? Simply doesnt make any sense at all. The Starfighter already had issues fighting F4’s, Mirage’s and Mig even as old as the Mig-21 but now it goes up against F-16’s, late F-4’s…

F104s-TAF

This plane feels awful to play. It doesn’t have enough flares and chaff to break radar locks from Mig 21s, F/A 18s, Viggens, Gripens, etc. The radar lock for the AIM 7E’s is abysmal, can’t hold a lock if they’re lower than a certain altitude and if the plane starts diving, the radar immediately starts losing the radar lock. This is the worst premium of the Italian tech tree and there is no other option if you’ve never worked on air. I got this premium so I could try to earn more SL and RP. I hav…

F-104S/TAF need Buffs

The current F-104S/TAF cannot fight properly at 11.0. I think one of the following needs to be implemented (1) Simply lower the BR to 10.7 (2) Extend the upper limit of BR like Groundtree and increase the BR of F-16As, MiG-29s, etc. (3) Give the 104S the AIM-9L and the TAF the AIM-9S (a derivative of the AIM-9M warhead). However, the AIM-9S is too powerful, so the AIM-9P-4 can be given tentatively instead, or the BR can be raised to 11.3 or higher. This is much better than the current 11.0. …

[pvwatermelon]

It’s good for fire bombing but arguably overtiered as a fighter. The problem is that f104G at 11.0 has the exact same engine as 9.3 f104, meanwhile 21bis at 11.0 has a much better engine than the 9.3 one. F104G should probably be 10.7 and 104S 11.0.
It just probably makes lots of money firebombing unfortunately keeping it at 11.3

[Morvran]

Its a classic case of effeciency over common sense.

On paper, the F-104 is fast, can carry napalm and probably can fairly consistantly get base kills at 11.3. To gaijin, this means its fine.

But when compared to something like the F-4E… Its woefully underpowered. with only 2x Aim-7Es and not Aim-7E-2s. The 9Ps are okay for the BR, but far from the best and the overall equipment on the F-104s is not great. Like a very weak RWR (probably why ive never had an issue just farming kills against them in the Tonka ADV)

I do see some minor concerns about moving it down… but those would be minimal at 11.0. In the long run, a decompression is needed

[TIGER_TANK_1]

It’s a bomber