Tiger 1 from 1942 facing 1970 M109, it needs to be fixed asap.
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Also there’s weird differences in thermal gen and missiles:
- Beam riding missiles currently are just better in terms of getting to the crosshair, not dipping into the ground immediately, or just missing entirely (in the case of the top-attack Spikes). Also tandem missiles not functioning as tandem missiles is a big issue.
- As for thermals, they seem to have no influence on BR at all. You’ve got three different M1A2s at 11.7, all with different thermal gens, meanwhile the 120S has second-gen thermals at 10.0. Not to mention most 9.0-9.3 tanks having only first gen thermals, but 9.7-10.0 mainly get second- or third-gen thermals.
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Making use of all decimal points for BR would help with these situations as well. If something is a direct upgrade but also not 0.3-better material, raise it by 0.1 or 0.2.
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Agreed, the fact the Chally 2 (base) is only 0.3 BR lower than the 2A7V is just insane to me.
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The fact that 2A7 is the same BR with any other tank is insane.
It should have a separate BR all on it’s own
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Well, and the 122s:
Basically, MBTs full of strengths with no weaknesses at all.
I would say, factoring vehicles currently ingame and setting the top at 13.7 and also accounting for bug fixes and historical corrections regarding armor and mobility;
13.7:
Leopard 2A7HU (with historical DM63)
Leopard 2A7V (with historical DM63)
Strv 122B+
Strv 122B PLSS
Strv 122A
13.3:
T-90M
T-80BVM
Type 10
TKX
ZTZ-99A
WZ1001(E) LCT
VT4A1
M1A2 SEPv2 (with historical M829A3)
Merkava Mk.4M
Merkava Mk.4LIC
Merkava Mk.4B
13.0:
M1A2 SEP
M1A1 AIM (with historical KEW-A2)
Challenger 2E
Challenger 3 (TD) (with historical DM63)
T-80U-E1
Leclerc S.XXI
Leclerc AZUR
Leclerc S.2
Leopard 2A6
Leopard 2A5
Leopard 2 PSO
12.7:
M1A2
M1A1 HC
Leopard 2 PL (with historical DM63)
Leopard 2A4CAN (with historical DM53)
Black Night
Challenger 2
Leclerc S.1
T-72B3
T-80UK
T-80U
12.3:
M1A1
Challenger 2 (2F)
Challenger 2 TES
Challenger 2 OES
Type 90 (B)
Type 90
Ariete AMV
12.0:
IPM1
Ariete
Ariete PSO
Merkava Mk.3C
Merkava Mk.3B
T-90A
ZTZ-99-III
ZTZ-99-II
MBT-2000
Basically; what’s currently cramped into 11.0-11.7, should actually be spread between 12.0 and 13.7. And the extra BR from 11.0 to 12.0 would come from decompressing lower BRs as well.
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They were 2A7 in my mind anyway, before 2A7 was added lol
I would put the T-90M below BVM, it really is nothing special. İt’s kind of bad.
I never even use it, instead I use the BVM. it has subpar mobility with exploding fuel tanks, and the worst reload of top tier. (Almost 2x of Type-10 and 1.6-7x of Abrams lol)
My only true top tier nations in ground are Germany and USSR, so will not comment on the rest.
Fighting Vs them is not good enough experience.
I won’t comment on things I haven’t used
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Whilst I understand why you’ve done it, I strongly doubt hte Challenger 2 will be higher than the 2F, OES or TES.
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Quite the opposite; they are modelled as “external fuel tanks” due to their technology and spall liner coating, they never explode like T-80BVM’s do.
Hahahah
Wise!
Most likely… xD
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Okay, this is where I disagree.
IPM1 is not helpless in any way against 2A7V and T-90M.
IPM1 to T-90M is M46 to Maus armor wise.
Leopard 2A7V (2021), compared to IPM1 (1984), is;
+81% better hull armor (670 vs 370)
+67% better turret armor (800 vs 480)
+26% better penetration (652 vs 522)
+66% better thermals (3rd gen vs 1st gen)
+100% thermals (+commander)
+100% spall liners (fully coated vs none at all)
There is not a single universe in which these should face each other at all.
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Shouldn’t the 2A4M CAN be on this list? It’s also missing its historical shells from what I’ve gathered( it also has shells it never used)
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I missed it, gonna update it!
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They shouldn’t but are you telling me the 9.0 tank has a better chance vs the Premium 10.3 lineups?
What?
An IPM1 has a better chance facing a T-90/2A7 than a 9.3 tank facing a T-80UD or Leopard 2A4 premium
…?
You highlighted the top of the game, the biggest issue for lots of players is the 10.3 premium/squadron line-ups that suck up everything. These tanks are pushed so much that the tech tree 9.3 tanks like a T-64A or a Chieftain Mk10 are expected to face hordes of Leopard 2A4s a tank they cannot penetrate reliably.
We need decompression
Well, and I indeed acknowledged and took into account decompression of other BR ranges even though the post is mostly directed at the top tiers, yes.
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A full tree decompress is needed for air, ground and even naval. But top tier needs it first. with 1-2 full BRs crammed into 0.3 BRs of space. Its a total mess.
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