You highlighted the top of the game, the biggest issue for lots of players is the 10.3 premium/squadron line-ups that suck up everything. These tanks are pushed so much that the tech tree 9.3 tanks like a T-64A or a Chieftain Mk10 are expected to face hordes of Leopard 2A4s a tank they cannot penetrate reliably.
We need decompression
Well, and I indeed acknowledged and took into account decompression of other BR ranges even though the post is mostly directed at the top tiers, yes.
A full tree decompress is needed for air, ground and even naval. But top tier needs it first. with 1-2 full BRs crammed into 0.3 BRs of space. Its a total mess.
1, 2, and 6 are related to onion layers 1 - 4 failing. It’s also the primary reason IPM1 is 11.0 and not higher.
3 is semi-inaccurate as that’s flat pen where there is no flat armor at top BRs thick enough to consider that.
The correct assessment is that the round is effective, just not as effective. Hence it being 11.0 and not higher.
4 is forest environments, which… are sadly rare these days.
And 5… refer to 4.
lol
İs gaijin even aware that naval exists?
Literally the same battleships for like 2-3 years now?
I love how Naval balance is like:
1: add extremely strong ship with zero counterparts (Hyuga in 2020, Scharnhorst in 2021…)
2: wait 1-3 years to even start adding anything resembling counterparts, 1 by 1 and several months apart each.
3: repeat.
No.
I am annoyed with how many people belive it must be so OP because its a 2a5 with a marginally better shell.
Essentially a sidegrade to the PSO, but you rank it 0.7 higher?
Amazing… everything you just said is wrong. Like, literally everything lmao
1: Strv 122 doesn’t have “a marginally better shell than Leopard 2A5”; on the contrary, it has a marginally worse shell; slpprj m/95 (589mm pen) , compared to DM53 (623mm pen).
2: Strv 122 is one of the most armored tanks in the entire game; upgrading Leopard 2A5’s armor with additional hull modules that raise its effectiveness from 2A5’s 430mm KE… to the signature 122’s 750mm KE; higher than any other MBT in the game other than T-90M!
3: Unlike Leopard 2A5 or Leopard 2 PSO, Strv 122’s hull is coated in spall liners, just like the Leopard 2A7s.
4: therefore, Strv 122s are WAY more than “a sidegrade to the PSO”, which retains 2A5’s 430mm KE, compared to Strv 122’s 750mm KE, and which, as stated above and just like 2A5, has no hull spall liners either.
So… what were you annoyed at again? xD
It is in no way an equal to the 2A7 (better gun, thermals, etc) Strv-122B+ (better armour) and a minor downgrade from the 122 PLSS (better thermals, but also should be equal to BVM BR)
I mean… I would hardly consider having 2nd gen commander thermals instead of 3rd gen commander thermals a downgrade, no matter how minor… specially since they both retain the 1st gen gunner thermals.
Only on the sides against autocanons at best; the rest is identical… that’s like saying that Leclerc S.2 is “in no way equal” to Leclerc AZUR and should be lower in BR just because AZUR’s side armor may withstand autocanons a little bit better…
There is no etc, better gun and thermals are everything 2A7 is better at; on the other hand, the 122s have a 10 km/h higher top speed, 0.7 more HP/T, quicker acceleration and better armor (750mm vs 670mm). They are sidegrades, basically; better thermals and penetration vs better acceleration, top speed and armor.
All of this, coming from someone who currently has 1,937 matches on Leopard 2A5, 2A6, 2PSO and 2A7V and 1,453 matches on Strv 122B+, Strv 122B PLSS and Strv 122A; and who has played with each of these vehicles from the very day they were released, basically.
I couldn’t help but to take a look at your player card to try to understand which experience you were drawing your conclussions from, specially after you stated that “Strv 122 was just a Leopard 2A5 with marginally better firepower”, and it has come to my attention that… you aren’t even remotely close to any of these xd. The highest rank vehicle you have is Christian II, so I take it your goal is eventually to get the 122s. I don’t mean to be rude or anything, I am just genuinely confused as to how exactly you are drawing these conclusions, because they are most… uncommon, if I dare say, xD.
Decompression is needed but the year of production argument is horrible.
I have the T-80U as well, although my ground experience is not exactly expansive as i (unfortunately) used to be an ARB purist (though not a good one)
In these cases, year of production is directly proportional to technical capabilities, since technological advancements have been incredible in this 35 year timeframe.
The year of production argument is horrible when it comes to the exception of peculiar vehicles like PT-76 or ASU-57; but when it comes to MBTs from 1984 vs MBTs from 2021, it’s a quite valid argument- since we are talking about the same class of vehicle, but one of them being significantly stronger and more advanced in every way due to the gap in capabilities caused by the technological advancements.
You will love the 122s once you reach them!
DM63 would kinda go crazy on the 2a7s wouldnt it? Lower to completely null chance of detonation and everything. People might bring max ammo just to act as a pseudo spall liner lol.
Also M829A3? Isn’t that meant to defeat Relikt that would pretty much ignore the BVM and T-90M’s armour, a bit too good tbh for a tank that you classify as 13.3.
Going by the formula Gaijin used, M829A3 would pen 662mm at point blank; as Gaijin themselves stated, it wouldn’t change much, it would just feel nicer, hahah.
It would still be far from penning BVM’s 720mm KE or 90M’s 780mm KE.
That + the armor is why it would be an entire, full BR step above M1A2, while they are now at the same BR, hahah
Honestly I think this would be great and hopefully is addressed at some point soon.
662mm, pretty much DM53 then so I guess not much difference.
If the 2a7v gets all mobility and armour fixes then it might need a 14.0. Because it’ll have similar armour performance to the Strv122B+ but it’ll have 2a4 like mobility, gen 3 thermals, DM63.
If armor got fix it both will be better than 122 like better thermal firepower and armor
actually, no if count only armor value only
T-90M and T-80BVM has more armor because of smaller weak spot on the front (LFP on Strv122 larger than both) and better side armor
MOD state that PSO hull are actually Leopard2A6EX but seem in the game it just using 2A5 hull
yeah i mean literally just decompress it to air BRs and then remove the dynamic BRs from airplanes, problem solved