This was always my issue, when they started to add newer tanks.
We had Cheiftain Mk10 so slow but its turret armour and fire power made it great. Russia at the time had the T-64A
USA Had the MBT 70 . There was balance.
Now to restore balance I genuinely believe we need to remove the best performing rounds from the top tanks. Leopard 2A7 should only have DM33 (yes sounds crazy) but it doesn’t NEED DM53 to still be an incredible tank.
This would again restore balance as Leopards/T-80s could not just LOL pen CR2, Leclerc from 1.5km away.
You cant have a fully realistic game and have balance concessions need to be made.
Currently Britain are playing an FPS game with a Lee Enfield while the other nations run around with an assault rifle.
must be a lot of tea and crumpets. i genuinely don’t understand where Gaijin have got their metrics from. the thing weighs more than any nearly any other tank in the game, and yet has less armor than most.
There’s just a lot of weirdness going around that I genuinely don’t understand when it comes to challenger 2 in the game… Weight VS Armor is one of them and how the tank weighs SO MUCH yet has so little armour in comparison to its weight; then when someone made a claim that the Challenger 3 TD should have spawl liner, the Gaijin response was along the lines of “well the video’s we have of its manufacture didn’t show any inside the turret.” - that alone is questionable IMO, because any “video’s” of the manufacture of a prototype “next generation” MBT would/should be classified to heck and back, yet they claim they have evidence as to why it shouldn’t have it?.. its just fishy.
It’s not Just Challenger 2 that hasn’t been fixed, or given a temp fix for a very very long time. Look at the Stormer HMV and the state it is in. its “usable” sometimes; but the missiles still phase through aircraft like they aren’t even there, and a lot of helicopters still get lock alerts despite the fact the missiles are “visual locking” meaning it should give no warning.
But back to challenger, I feel like gaijin have given up on it; and if they haven’t then they have it exactly where they want it; IE, at the bottom of the food chain for the German. Russian and Sweden mains to eat their fill.
When you compare it to the Leopard 2a6 there’s not a single thing Challenger does, that is better or on par to the Leopard; but its BR’d the same. Challenger 2 is slower, worse armour, bigger weak spots, worse crew survivability, worse round, and in fact the ONLY thing challenger 2 has over the Leopard is its gunner thermals being better, but again; it doesn’t get commander thermals meaning that is worse too. Hulling down is the ONLY playstyle it fits, and it can’t even do that well, because a well aimed roof shot (even with APFSDS) will destroy you, or being shot in the breach will do the same as the breach doesn’t eat the spawl at all unlike other tanks at its BR. Meanwhile, Leopard can hull down without the worry of APFSDS penning the roof, if it gets shot in the breach, there is a high chance the breach will eat the shot meaning you can reverse and repair, and because you are fast, you can get into that hull down position before anyone else and be effective. Challenger 2 doesn’t have any of that sadly. All the weight and the disadvantages that come with it and none of the armour to support it.
but the problem is that its all subjective. Gaijin have already admitted that the armour values are all made up for top tier MBT’s because all those values are classified; so why do they think its acceptable to make those made up values SO low? if the value is made up anyway, why cant they increase it to be more competitive with the tanks its compressed into?
the sad reality of it. it makes me worried for the so called light tank tree coming; because they could really mess us over with that. TO THIS DAY I think that the Scimitar would have been a better fit than the Fox; It was tried, tested and used vastly more if I am correct; but the Fox ((though i like its addition)) feels more obscure and more like it should have been a premium/event vehicle and the Scimitar should have been TT. Rather than Desert Warrior, the Warrior 40mm CTAS would have been a better addition, as Desert Warrior is just a worse Bradley m3a3 at the same BR ((basically)).
I used to think it was benign neglect but now I see they are intentionally messing with us.
Hopefully one day, the challenger 2 will have the armour to be a great brawler. Not invincible, but powerful from the front. like how the T-80’s are for Russia. Britain almost ALWAYS goes against Russia in the game, so it would be a good balance to have both sides with a nation that can brawl effectively in my opinion. I admit that yes, it should be able to hull down and snipe, but the T-80’s are again; just as good at that, as they are at brawling; so why cant challenger 2 be the T-80 of the west?
I’m sorry but they can’t seriously believe we made precisely no progress and literally strapped an extra couple of tonnes of nothingness for the TES? Seriously?
Also, on your point with the CR3TD, my current (internal) argument is that I think it should have 1500hp still, on the basis that before the House of Parliament question came back with 1200hp engines, the CR3 was using a 1500hp powerpack, and various CR3 hulls (CR2s at the time going through HAAIP) had already been upgraded when QRH (British Army unit) openly stated CR3 would use 1500hp.
So either Gaijin wants to model the production CR3 as we know it, in which case, blowout panels, even better turret armour, addon hull armour, and all the other bells and whistles, or we aren’t, in which case I’ll take my 1500hp engine thanks.
yeah, I’m almost certain that guy who said “it has a 1300hp engine” was talking about the PRODUCTION challenger 3, not the Test Demonstrator (TD) which gaijin have made clear is what we have in game, even as far as calling it the TD; but gaijin took his word for it. Made a change on the TD that was men’t for the Production challenger 3. “word of mouth” is their requirement for a nerf, but a 3000 word essay for a buff to be “not a bug”.
yeah, exactly. if the numbers are going to be “made up due to classified values” , they can at least make the values be competitive to what BR they decide to give it.
