Discussion of Potential Finnish and Swedish ground vehicles

Hi, this will be a discussion and a comprehensive list of ground vehicles that are produced and/or operated by Finland and Sweden

If there is any mistakes or possible additions, please let me know

List of potential vehicles that can be added

Finland

Domestic designs

Patria XA-180 Family

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XA-180 Musti: Rare XA-180 variant with the Musti recoilless rifle

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XA-180 TOW: XA-180 with a TOW-2 Launcher

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XA-185 AMV: XA-185 with a LAV-25 Turret (Prototype)

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Patria AMV Family

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Patria AMV HITFACT-120

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Patria AMV Hitfist-30

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Patria AMV Rafael Samson-30

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Patria AMV28 VTC-30

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Patria AMV Bushmaster: Note this Specific Patria AMV is intended for the Australian Army so it possibly be added in either the UK or a future Australian/Austro-Canadian TT instead

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Patria AMV(2K23): Note this Specific Patria AMV is intended for the UAE since they use the BMP-3 as well as mounting the exact same turret on their OF-40’s, which exact TT it would go we currently do not know but there is a chance that it could go to the Italian TT instead due to the UAE’s military connections to Italy (or the very least stronger initial military ties)

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Patria AMV AMOS

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Modified foreign designs

A-34 Comet (QF-20pdr): Prototype variant of the A-34 Comet with it’s 77mm cannon replaced with a 20pdr. This was done as a response to the UK refusing to sell 105mm L7’s to Finland, so Finland decide to experiment with upgunning their existing Comets. This obviously did not pass the prototype phase

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BMP-1PS: A BMP-1 modified to have additional smoke launchers, one thing to note is that Finnish BMP-1’s lack an autoloader so they will have a increased reload rate

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BMP-25: BMP-1 chassis with the original turret replaced with a turret from a LAV-25 (Prototype)

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BMP-2MD: Modified BMP-2 with thermal camouflage, new gunsights for the commander and gunner and external storage boxes, acting as spaced armour

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ItPsv-90 (T-55): Marksman turret on a T-55 Chassis, one way we can add this is that the ItPsv-90 on the Leopard 2 Chassis can be moved to 10.0 with full APDS belts since it can more than handle it’s own while the ItPsv-90 on the T-55 chassis can be at the same BR as the T-55M but be balanced by having a belt that is half APDS, half APHE

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155 PSH K9FIN "Moukari: A K9 Thunder built for Finnish specifications, the main gameplay difference is that Finnish K9’s use a NSV HMG instead of the M2HB HMG that the K9 is normally equipped with

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P.245-4: Prototype T-34-85 with it’s 85mm S.53 cannon replaced with a 7.5cm Stuk-40 cannon (the same one found on the Stug III G “Strumi” and Pz-IV-J), among other changes

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Lansverk L-182: This is a Lansverk L-182 intended for the Finnish army, it can equip a 20mm Lathi anti-tank rifle

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T-55M MEXAS/T-55M Ps.262-37: Finland prototyped the MEXAS on their T-55M’s, could be added either as a addon for the existing T-55M or as a new vehicle folder with the T-55M

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Foreign designs

KV-1A & KV-1B: The latter is identical to the Event KV-1B in the German TT, the former however we currently do not have ingame

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Stug-III G “Sturmi”: Functionally identical to the Stug-III in the Italian TT, aesthetically however is different due to the addition of wooden logs on the side, Finland use logs on their tanks for the same reasons why Russian Tanks have logs on them

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OT-133: T-26 with a flamethrower, it also uparmoured giving it [a little bit more] more survivability, could replace the premium T-26E with this variant,

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BA-10: Finland captured multiple BA-10’s as well as the earlier BA armoured cars

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Sweden

Domestic designs

Lansverk L-180 Family

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Lansverk L-180: This is the first series of vehicle from the Lansverk L-180 Armoured cars, was armed with various lmg’s, HMG’s and the focus of this particular L-180, a 20mm Autocannon from Madsen

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Lansverk L-180 (mod 1974): Irish “Modernization”/Upgrade of the Lansverk L-180’s that the Irish Army was operated as early as 1937. The upgrades mainly consists of replacing the 20mm Madsen autocannon with a 20mm Hispano Suiza autocannon as well as replacing worn out components and engines with more modern ones. The Irish Army used the upgraded L-180’s for 8 years, mainly as training aids and as a reserve AC from 1974 to 1982 where they were finally retired from service. This is also significant since Ireland is the longest operator of the L-180 and Ireland is the second largest operator of this type behind the Netherlands

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Lansverk L-181: This is the second (and largest) series of vehicle from the Lansverk L-180 Armoured cars, is equipped with the usual lmg’s, HMG’s, and 20mm autocannons (either from Bofors or Madsen), this time however some L-181 are equipped with the 37mm Bofors anti-tank cannon. Only two nations used the L-181 with the Bofors cannon, the Netherlands and the Third Reich, because of this there is a chance that the L-181 could appear in the German TT as well either as a premium, event or in the Beutzpanzer line. Both the L-180 and 181 can be added as another reserve vehicle for varieties sake

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Swedish L-181
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Lithuanian L-181
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Dutch L-181 with a 37mm Bofors cannon
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CV90 Family

CV90 AMOS: An AMOS Mortar system on a CV90 Chassis

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CV90120 (2007): A CV90120 with some additional upgrades including a 50.cal Remote weapons system and a AMAP-ADS Hardkill Active Protection System
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CV90 Mjolner: Another double barreled SPG/Mortar variant of the CV-90, this time using the Mjolner weapons system instead

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Ikv-91 family

Ikv-91 AMOS: An AMOS Mortar system on a Ikv-91 Chassis (Prototype)

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Ikv-91 (L/70 Bofors): Ikv-91 with a 40mm autocannon, essentially a testbed for the CV90

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UDES 08 & Pbv-302 No.4002: A prototype Pbv-302 subvariant, 2 prototypes were built one having a 25mm Mauser autocannon and the other having a Oerlikon KBA Autocannon
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UDES 03: A Experimental Tank destroyer using a hydropneumatic suspension similar to the one found on the Strv-103 (prototype)

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UDES 19: A Experimental Light Tank/TD using a unmanned 120mm cannon, this gun is mounted on 2 chassis, a Marder Chassis and a Strv-103 Chassis (Prototype)

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UDES 19 Marder (Note this prototype is also trialed by Germany)
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UDES XX-20: Experimental Articulating TD with a unmanned 120mm cannon

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Panzer Bandvagn’s

PvBv-2062: Militarized Bandvagn-206 with the Pvpj-1110 recoilless rifle
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PvBv-2063: Militarized Bandvagn-206/Bandvagn-206S with a ATGM, either a TOW or RB-56 ATGM, I elected the RB-56 since that is unique to Sweden (Bandvagn-206’s with TOW-ATGM’s are also operated by other countries, mainly Italy)

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Eldenhet 98: A Bv-410 modified into a SAM launcher with it’s own Giraffe 1X radar system. The missiles in question are IRIS-T SLS

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Tridon: A modern SPAA system on a 6X6 Volvo truck, using the same 40mm Bofors autocannon that the LvKv90 uses even being able to use the same APFSDS rounds

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Modified foreign designs

Pansarterrängbil 202: Swedish variant of the XA-203 with the turret of a Pbv-302 and the ability to equip either SAM’s or ATGM’s

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Pbv 401 (RBS-56 Bili): Modified MT-LB APC with a launcher system, firing the Bili ATGM, essentially Sweden’s answer to the Shturm S

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Pbv 501A: Modified BMP-1 variant with a new engine, suspension and the ability to use the 9K11 and 9K111 ATGM’s removed
Note: The Pbv-501 that was added in the “Kings of Battle” Update is the regular Pbv-501 so this suggestion will be still pending

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Terrangbil 16 LEMUR: Swedish designation of the RG-32M A scout armoured car of South African origin, this specific Terrangbil 16 is a prototype variant with a M320LF Chain gun, the same Chain gun found on the AH-64 Apache

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KV-1B, and watch the whole forum go banana’s, especially if SWE gets matched with GER at that BR ;P

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Remove the BMPs , or add them but remove the fictional Mİ-28A and the T -80 U

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Both Finland and Sweden used BMP’s and the Mi-28 and T-80 are not fictional.

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Where is the used Mi-28? I once sat in a Mig-29 , does that mean we get a tech tree mig-29 for me? Does driving for 1 hour count as used? Lmao

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Thanks for linking the UDES 08 Suggestion, if I may add in: There were two Pbv prototypes which carried 25mm cannons (with new turret compartment to house it). One which you mentioned: UDES 08, which carries the Mauser MK25E cannon. While the second Pbv, which I reference as “Pbv No.4002”: carried the Oerlikon KBA cannon. Only difference between were the firerate and the ammunition storage from what I managed to find.

Other than that, the list looks good. As we kinda need more vehicles for both Sweden and the Finnish sub-tree.

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KV-1B, and watch the whole forum go banana’s, especially if SWE gets matched with GER at that BR ;P

Finland can technically have 2 KV-1 variants (KV-1A & KV-1B) since they captured and subsequently operated both variant of KV’s

Both Finland and Sweden used BMP’s and the Mi-28 and T-80 are not fictional.

The main reason why Gaijin added both the Mi-28 & T-80 to the Swedish TT because Sweden at least evaluated both vehicles, for the Former i can’t blame Gaijin for adding it since there is not a lot of helicopters to add to the Swedish TT (especially at top-tier) and also it is (on paper) the worse of the Mi-28’s ingame. The latter is harder to justify since both Sweden and even Finland isn’t really lacking in ground vehicles (even MBT’s)

if I may add in: There were two Pbv prototypes which carried 25mm cannons (with new turret compartment to house it). One which you mentioned: UDES 08, which carries the Mauser MK25E cannon. While the second Pbv, which I reference as “Pbv No.4002”: carried the Oerlikon KBA cannon. Only difference between were the firerate and the ammunition storage from what I managed to find.

Thanks, I will fix that error

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Don’t forget Stug III

I am taking the suggested vehicles on the old forum into consideration (at least the ones that are currently not implemented). The thing is though is that there is some vehicles that are not present let alone have proper suggestion threads about them on the old forum (some of these vehicles are mentioned here). Also I prefer linking suggestions from the new forum instead of the old one since the old forum is somewhat busted

Here is a Lansverk L-60 in Irish service, it uses the same gun as Ireland’s L-180’s (a 20mm Madsen autocannon)


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A side note, Ireland eventually replaced their Madsen autocannon with a Hispano-Suiza autocannon in 1974 for their L-180’s

Here some neat ones

AKV 151:
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A competing deaign to the bkan in game, it was based off the kranvagn hull and was capable of a much higher top speed (55kmh). Its armour was also much better, being over 100mm… on the back… since the turret was mounted backwards…

A-34 comet qf 20pdr:
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A finnish prototype from the cold war, basically they wanted to mount the 105 l7 in their old comets, but Britain didn’t want to sell them any, so they went with the next best option

And for an interesting but unliky addition
M4 with 75mm k/44:
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Its a project proposed by finland for the Israel. It would have used the newly developed 75 mm k/44 anti tank gun, a light anty tank gun that used ammunition from the german pak 40. It was denied in favor of what would become the M50.

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God no its not a error, I just wanted to help you expanding your list and give some fast facts about the guns they were carrying.

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Looking at the following articles:

there are several more armored vehicles that could be viable to add for Finland, though all are captured Soviet vehicles.
(* = new vehicle)

  • BAF A/B/C (BA-3/6/10) armored car *
  • BT-2 * (not mentioned in all sources)
  • BT-5
  • BT-7
  • T-50
  • T-60 (not mentioned in all sources)
  • SU-76 (not mentioned in all sources)
  • SU-152 (not mentioned in all sources)
  • ISU-152
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Don’t forget the Kranvagn/Emil! Turret never finished, but still definitely worth adding!
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According to Wikipedia, Finland had 2 BTR-80s, with that said I attempted to find information about it but couldn’t find anything. However, there are many photos of a btr-80 painted in a finish camouflage in the Parola Armour Museum.

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There is two main problem with the Finnish BTR-80, firstly is that it’s only armament is a 14.5mm HMG and the other issue that there is domestic counterparts that would fill it’s role better

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Maybe I missed something but I think that you did not mention the cv90 mjolnir under the cv90 family section. Is this a conscious choice? If not then here a source for information on it: CV90 Mjolner 120 mm Self-Propelled Mortar | MilitaryToday.com

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New vehicles now added to the list

A-34 Comet (QF 20pdr)
Lansverk L-180 (mod 1974): Irish modified L-180
CV90 Mjolner

The Sturmi tab will soon be expanded too

Thanks for clarifying, I was unsure if it had the 20mm since it was a BTR-80 “testbed” converted to a BTR-60.