Same gun, Finland wanted to upgrade the firepower with existing weapons they had and the L7 was chosen iirc, theres more documents talking about it than images of it with the L7.
Its been mentioned on the Finnish vehicles forum but again theres like not many people that discuss them actively lol.
thats a type B 20pdr (The bore evacuator is symmetrical on the barrel and has a small fin on top, L7’s bore evacuator is asymmetrical and has no fin)
and a comet hull (small hatches and return rollers)
iirc that would be the Finnish attempt at upgunning the Comets
yeah its a 20pdr comet
Yeah i mixed up the hulls my bad, dont know why i left this out, i completely skipped your reply i apologize.
Had to find it, its a bit of a read but in 1961 the Finnish government wanted to upgrade Finnish reserves with higher caliber guns and used the research from the Brits, in 1962 the project entered in but was left on the chopping board as Finland decided to just buy new tanks altogether. Like i said images of it are few and far between the image above is the specific model that was under evaluation before the 84mm was to be removed in spring, theres blueprints for its removal and addition of the L7 but i dont have everything on me, id Ask Aspada since he may know more my Fin is pretty meh for translation.
@AblativeKitten
This also explains it a bit i didn’t know that Britain refused to sell the gun to the Fins.
HAL Tejas mk1a, F-CK-1, KAI T50 or FA50, J10b or j10c r perfect gen 4-4+ aircrafts to be added in this year.
Perfect at 13.7 or 14.0. We need more unique vehicles and since the Typhoon and Rafale r 4+ gen this is a perfect time.
Tejas for UK
F-CK-1 for China
FA50 or T50 for Japan maybe
T-80B equipped with Arena aps
Neeed
What’s the Mushshaks top speed?
My only wishlist item at this point is a massive amount of bug report fixes. I would be ok if we just got a major patch of bug fixes.
Rocks ALBM
an advanced israeli standoff missile carried by israels f16’s
it utalizes ins/gps with a terminal e/o(iir/ccd) seeker, the missile tarvels at mach 3+ allowing it to neutralize its targets quickly
some 300km/h , would be a funny event plane
The Centurion Mk. 5-2 NL served for many years as the main battle tank of the Royal Netherlands Army. It was a highly modern tank for its time, equipped with an excellent gun. However, it was relatively slow and had a high fuel consumption. In the 1980s, the Centurion was replaced by the Leopard.
Dutch soldiers stand in front of a Centurion, studying a map of the training area. Source: NIMH
The Centurion is considered one of the most successful British main battle tanks ever built. Around 4,400 units were produced in twelve different variants. It was exported to many countries and saw combat in conflicts such as the Korean War, Vietnam War, and in the Middle East.
The Royal Netherlands Army started using the Centurion Mk. 3 in 1953, later switching to the Mk. 5. For its time, it was a powerful and advanced tank, remaining in Dutch service for over 30 years. Besides combat tanks, the Netherlands also used recovery, dozer, and bridge-laying versions of the Centurion.
Centurion of the 101st Tank Battalion, Regiment Huzaren Prins Alexander. Photo: Wim den Dunnen
The first Dutch Centurions were fitted with a 20-pounder gun, but this was soon replaced by the more powerful and accurate 105 mm gun. In the 1960s, two key innovations were added to improve aiming and target acquisition.
A special .50-caliber machine gun was mounted that mimicked the ballistic trajectory of the tank’s main shell. The gunner would fire this to determine the range to a target. When the tracer rounds hit a hard surface, they produced a visible flash, helping the gunner adjust the main gun accurately.
Next to the main barrel was a searchlight box with a powerful xenon lamp for illuminating targets in low light. However, since this was visible to the enemy, the lamp could also emit infrared light, invisible to the naked eye but detectable through special infrared optics.
The Centurion was equipped with infrared headlights and a viewing screen inside the tank, allowing the crew to drive and operate at night. However, the screen was small and difficult to use, making night operations a challenge.
One major weakness of the Centurion was its extremely high fuel consumption. With a fuel capacity of 570 liters, it could travel only 136 kilometers — less than 240 meters per liter! This was jokingly referred to as “1 liter per leaky bucket.”
To increase operational range, a special fuel trailer was developed. This armored one-wheeled trailer could carry an additional 916 liters of fuel and weighed over a ton. However, it was unpopular with tank crews — it made reversing difficult and was seen as a dangerously flammable target.
The trailer was connected to the tank at two points and could be released from inside the tank in an emergency.
| Attribute | Details |
|---|---|
| Military Branch | Royal Netherlands Army |
| Number in Service | 592 |
| Production Years | 1952–1956 |
| Role | Main Battle Tank |
| Crew | 4 (Driver, Loader, Gunner, Commander) |
| Engine | Rolls-Royce Meteor |
| Horsepower | 650 hp |
| Drive Wheel | Rear |
| Top Speed | 35 km/h |
| Weight | 47,145 kg |
| Range | 136 km (50 km in rough terrain) |
| Main Armament | 105 mm gun |
Would be nice to get new nuke planes with chaff and flares to at least defend themselves. Would feel less sluggish as well.
Like for real, imagine you worked hard to get a nuke just to get intercepted by an IR missile. The frustration.
That’s good enough for me
Please consider making an actual suggestion in Suggestions . In this thread an image or several with short additional information suffices. We have the Suggestions and Ground Vehicle discussions for the larger ones. :)
P.S.: is this your own work? It reads as a combination of ChatGPT and feels oddly familiar to two Dutch publications on this tank I read before, with identical structure and subject sequence. It’s a literal Chat GPT translation of this page: Centurion MK. 5-2 - Nationaal Militair Museum Plagiarism isn’t cool man, at least credit the original author.
RDF/LT with an unmanned turret, could be foldered with the HSTV-L and put at 12.0 because of the extra hull down suitability
T-90M equipped with Arena-m
