This is exactly why the 7.0+ SPAAs should move up. M163 and Shilka are a good match for meta 8.3 CAS (SAAB-105). Gepard is a good match for meta 9.0 CAS (A-4E). Gepard 1A2 and LAV-AD are a good match for meta 10.3 CAS (A-7D).
As i said. First the planes.
And no gepard1a2 and lavs are not fair against meta 10.3 cas.
Have fun against laser guided Q5L.
Your whole skill match up is completly wrong.
Hell your whole hate from Gepard came from US not having access to ballistic computer systems at that specific br range. Which all other trees have
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Not BR but more possibly Heli
Why not f58 up?
Everyone of them is good against the only meta vehicle, considering how many unplayable planes we have
I can first increase the BR of 10.3 Hellfire Helis
Not an excuse to make the whole of 8.0-12.0 (not .7) planeless
WW2 planes are still good, which is why I always restrict my words to be at cold war BRs, starting from 7.7 or call it 8.x.
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America has both a Gepard and a balliatics computer plane which is almost perfectly specialized for countering the Gepard, so it’s pretty clear that what you said is a lie.
The reason I dislike vehicles like the XM246 is because they’re ridiculously OP, to the point that if you don’t have one in your lineup (which btw the point of lineups is to pick and choose what vehicles you like) then you’re just simply at an objective disadvantage.
The M60A1 (AOS), M60A2, and T95E1 are all 8.3 medium tanks with their own upsides and downsides. Picking one is left entirely to your preferred play style. XM246, however, is just a dumb OP meta vehicle which anyone can do well with even playing it brainlessly.
I didnt say it cant move up.
Naturaly with br decompression it could go uo as well.
Yep its a sad thing.
But making every plane viable sadly will never happen. Its just to much confronting each other.
Szrike aircraft are hugely hit by this, with not having a dwdicated playmode.
They playbest in SIM sadly.
Its not. I played tornado assta. There is f 16s etc.
Their are totaly flyable planes at those brs
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Totaly not u complaining abiut US ballistic planes
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The complaint isn’t that F-84F is too weak for Gepard, the complaint is that it’s only good for Gepard. It’s can’t even reliably kill most campers.
YA-10A would solve that problem.
At least ww2 lvl
arbec again ouch
The one who always meets pantsir and have to suffer from the loooooonnnnng paveway toss for a bit safety from 10km SPAAs?
Suprisingly often there is games where nobody bother to spawn spaas
M163 with 1km effective range is a good match for SAAB-105?
Even now your stat on M163 isn’t great, but you want to put it on 8.3?
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What ???
The ground teams lol
Strong asf SPAAs → people don’t fly → no rewards nor gameplay on SPAAs → no one spawn SPAAs → get killed by as low as stukas → cry and spread CAS hate
imma kick pango out of CAS promoters
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As I said, move SAAB-105 up. The rest of the 8.3s like the F-86 and F9F-8 are perfectly fine fighting M163.
Also, not dying to a SAAB-105 is honestly quite easy. Just move every time they drop a bomb vaguely in your direction.
My stats on the M4 also aren’t great despite it being an undeniably amazing tank. Heck, I used to think the M163 was bad.
And? Players want to play TANKS, not SPAA.
Tank gameplay - fun
Plane gameplay - fun
SPAA gameplay - isn’t fun, but you MUST play on it, because someone wants to have fun with plane, and ruin your tank gameplay in process.
And once again CAS player saying “Spawn SPAA”, but what if I say “Spawn tank” to counter SPAA?
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That’s a lot of silly arguments.
First off, Warthunder does not appeal to tank players, nor does it appeal to plane players. It appears to combined arms players.
Second off, spawning an SPAA to kill a plane is a reasonable thing to do. Spawning a tank to sneak to enemy spawn for the sole purpose of killing an SPAA is not.
Third, you completely missed the point he was making.
Well that is player dependend.
Personaly i gain massive joy out of shooting down planes.
Sadly u cant always win either way. With Kh38mt or LDIRCCM helis whixh u often csnt touch
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What point? We aren’t in DotA or WoW to gather people in battle by roles. Who exactly must spawn SPAA and when? At start? Or when half of a tanks already destroyed by CAS?
Time for role matchmaking then
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If half the team gets destroyed by CAS then that’s just a bad team. That’s not an SPAA issue.
And why is that?
If I want to play a tank and get killed by a plane (that I could do nothing against, we already went over that), I should get in a SPAA.
But If I want to play CAS and get killed by a SPAA (that I could do nothing against, according to you) It’s unreasonable to as me to play a Tank?
Why is that? How are the two situation different?
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I mean, maybe because the SPAA role is boring and I’d rather not play than suffer this?
Hell, even CAP is relativly boring since CAS player are easier to kill than bots.
It’s why people ask for tank only, because even with 100% perfect SPAA and with just 1 being to fully protect the battlefield, It would still ask someone to not have fun while the rest of the team play tanks.
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