Are you firing phoenix from 2km altitude? Because when I fire it it goes faster than any missile in the game when it’s motor turns off
No, usually much lower. Apparently, the problem is that I play in Sim EC, and there it is simply unreal to hit anyone with this missile.
BRUH. Then of course it will be slow below 2KM. Just LOL
Firstly, if you fly above 60 meters, you’ll get shot down. Secondly, the R-27ER is still faster.
So you are a groundhugger who has never played with 27ER or any Russian Aircraft? lol
And 27ER is not active seeker. It cannot compete with FOX-3
It’s a problem with air rb and oversaturation, not planes themselves. In air sim most engagements are 1v1.
You clearly didn’t understand or didn’t read, so let me explain this 1 more time.
The point of launching an R-27ER at long range is not to get a kill with it. It’s a tool to make the enemy go defensive. R-77 doesn’t have necessary range/energy to be threatening at long range, although maybe after the buff it does.
Let’s say F-15C and SU-27SM meet each other in a 1v1 and both launch from 40km. F-15 launches an AIM-120, SU-27 launches an R-27ER. Let’s go through a few scenarios.
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If F-15 tries to stay offensive and both planes just keep going straight/crank/F-pole after launch, F-15 dies first and SU-27 notches AIM-120 after that, because R-27ER’s speed gave it enough time to notch it.
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If F-15 goes defensive after AIM-120 goes active, while SU-27 tries to guide the R-27 in, the F-15 notches the R-27 and the SU-27 dies.
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If both F-15 and SU-27 go defensive after AIM-120 goes active, both planes lose their missiles. F-15’s missile gets notched, while SU-27’s missile loses radar lock, but still glides using IOG.
Once you recommit and you still have a lot of distance between you, you can repeat the process. After F-15 gets locked again, he has to worry not only about the new R-27 launched, but also about the old one, which was gliding towards him using IOG and is now alive again.
Once you’ve done this a few times and both of you survived, you are now in pitbull range. Here you switch to the R-77. Your R-77 is better than AIM-120 in pitbull range.
The last scenario allows the SU-27 to enter the same gameplay loop as any FOX 3 vs FOX 3 would have, even tough it uses a FOX 1. That gameplay loop is launching and returning to a notch, the one who does this faster wins.
You basically have to do the same thing the F-15 does, you can’t ever go defensive first, but you also can’t stay offensive, if the F-15 goes defensive.
This only works with R-27ER, because it’s so much faster. With any other FOX 1 you would trade at best in the 1st scenario.
It can be used against Fox 3 slingers to get a kill as well at extreme ranges from a safe distance. In this scenario you either get a kill or you don’t but still force the enemy defensive. In both situations you’ll still come out alive since you have time to defend.
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Which is correct, from frontline fighters, it had best acceleration, climb and max speed at alt and it STILL holds that to this day.
A bit late (just got the ET on the SM) but yeah the ET’s greatest strength is that its a stealth long range missile. The IRCCM may not be as good as the R-73 but its there and it helps. I love using the ET, people really underestimate its capabilities.
^ this guy was actually flaring
They just work
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no R-Darters are better at short range then its MICA’s then R-77’s
I was comparing the R-77 to the AMRAAM.
Well, at high altitude, the R-27 will get me even faster, so the choice is limited.
That’s all theory. In practice, this Fox-3 hits nothing, and almost all kills are made either with the Sparrow or in dogfight.
I think r77 are one of the hardest to notch, I like the r-darter for shorter ranges and high off bore launches at 10km. For range nothing beats the aim120 (except the 27er). I think people are complaining about r77 because they used to easily dominate everything with their r27er’s while others had to adapt, now the tables have turned and they cry
By the way, why is the MICA IR missing in the game? As far as I remember, the Mirage 2000 could use this version along with the radar-guided one.
I think people complain about the R-77 because its gimped. Something about variable drag and how supersonic shockwaves interact with the grid fins actually make it less draggy above and below transonic speeds. I’m not entirely educated on the subject so I might be wrong. Regardless, I think the Su-27SM is still a decent plane. It can hold its own in top tier but wouldn’t mind seeing it get buffed as well.
In practice the Phoenix is great at killing premium base rushers and that’s really the only thing its good at. Its good at capitalizing on low IQ players.
10km no-escape death bubble. MICA-IR is imaging infrared, which is a whole new problem to deal with.
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That’s a hot take to say I don’t understand the game, I play on controller and fly better than most people.
Russia hasn’t owned top tier as of late unless you tried to dog fight an R-73 which means you purposely got close enough to get hit.
R-27er doesn’t work under about 120 meters from the ground.
Meanwhile I will watch an f-16c, (or anything carrying Aim-9ms) never fire a rocket, and I always assume they do, so I pre flare and chaff, fire my missile and get the hell away from them, and still I seemingly get hit by a 9M
Saying “USA planes are the best in the world” is an opinion. Other countries either have different doctrine s for intercepting enemy aircraft, or simply are out numbered 3 to 1. Most other countries don’t like to engage unless absolutely mandatory as they typically don’t like war.
https://thunderskill.com/en/vehicle/f_16c_block_50
The f16c kd is a bit lower than I thought, but at this current time is still about 2x that of Russian aircraft.
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You can’t outrun a F-16 in the mig 29 or Su-27 most of the time, unless the fixed the f-16’s speed, as before even with nearly 5000 more kg of thrust on the mig 29smt, the f16 would catch me
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That’s because they use it in ground and die to SPAA, or bomb in air battles