Mirage 2000F has 6th sense, literally. And guess what, it’s again a bluefor plane. And the MICA is just a better R-77 with very very low drag and thrust vectoring.
And the MICA is better than the R-73 at close range as well
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THIS IS AN AIR RB DISCUSSION DUDE, GET THAT THROUGH YOUR SKULL.
Yeah if you literally play it the most optimal way while nobody else in the match has to do so.
Delusion. One fox-3 launch forces the Su-27 defensive, and from there the R-27s are useless.
Lets not forget these missiles also have minimum ranges as well. I’ve seen R-73s zip right past me because I was too close to them.
Brother these advantages are all delusion or rely on a really bad pilot to fight against.
It should only lose lock when that happens in HDN mode.
It has IOG + DL, you can lock the target again, so losing lock is not as big of a deal as it seems at long ranges.
It’s 1 plane in a mildly popular nation.
It’s worse at long range after the buff and the maneuverability at medium range is an overkill anyway.
If the Su-27 is so good, then why do I have negative KD in it? Despite trying every tactic possible. I tried them all.
And I basically have positive KD in every jet I’ve ever played in the last few years excluding my noob years and some attackers that I only play in ground RB.
Even in garbage planes like Mig-21S R-13 I have 2.5+KD. Or a plane like Lightning F6
I have 3KD in the F-15C, but struggle to reach 1KD in Su-27SM. I literally couldn’t reach 1KD. I think I’m finally barely at 1KD now, or something like 0.8-9
I seriously doubt the problem is with me. For the last 3-4 years, I’ve always played top tier and during every patch I had a positive KD with the new top tier jets of the patches, usually above 2 or sometimes above 3KD with every new plane.
It loses lock in PD mode, not HDN PD. And you can’t even control that anymore. If it’s using HDN mode the target is out of missile range anyway.
But the changes apply to all game modes, I want to have a say in this too.
R-27ER are faster, much faster. If the enemy doesn’t go defensive he will die first and the SU-27 can go defensive. If he goes defensive, the SU-27 also goes defensive and you have the same gameplay loop as FOX 3 vs FOX 3.
This snippet refers to dogfights.
Then why does going cold make it lose the lock, it doesn’t make sense.
There’s something LITERALLY NOBODY TALKS ABOUT.
The speed of the aircraft launching the missile. Su-27 and Mig-29SMT are the slowest of all top tiers. Yes they can go fast, but you will never go fast. Because if you are going fast it means you haven’t notched once and you died.
And if you did notch 1-2 times it means you lost a lot of valuable speed.
Mirage 2000 gains and maintains speed like crazy. And the speed of F-15/16 etc make their missiles have even more range.
Ask that to su-27. It’s such a bad radar that when enemies try going cold they notch accidentally for a second while turning and it loses lock completely.
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Thats the funny part. You can fire off an AMRAAM and defend against the R-27ER, while the Su-27 has to abandon his R-27 and defend the AMRAAM (OR DIE).
The F-15 or F-16 can easily force a 2 circle and then beat the Su-27
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This makes sense, but I doubt someone going cold also uses chaff. Without chaff notching doesn’t work at high altitude.
No, if it was chaff it would lock the chaff. It just loses lock.
And yes if they do chaff it’s very weak Vs chaff as well when going cold, but that’s not what I’m talking about
Dude, just read my replies, this is ridiculous. Every single word of this reply makes me think you just don’t read my replies.
You’re being illogical. I’m not sure why you would even consider that the R-27ER can be competitive against ARH missiles.
The elephant in the room that you’re forgetting is that this isn’t 1v1 final destination. This is a 16v16 battle. You can’t notch multiple opponents simultaneously. But you can definitely go cold and run away from everybody.
That F-15 isn’t just 1v1’ing the fool trying to fight with a 27ER. In all likelihood he’s launching against multiple targets, and in all likelihood he’s not the only person launching 120’s at your flanker. The Flanker is only threatening ONE target. The F-15 doesn’t need to wait until his missiles impact. He just needs to maintain TWS lock until his missiles go pitbull. Then he can take evasive action while his missiles continue to threaten multiple targets. The Flanker needs to commit to his attack against a single target while multiple missiles are gunning at him from different directions. If the flanker evades then he loses lock. If the flanker commits then multiple missiles jump him from multiple directions.
It’s not very complex. There is a REASON that the killfeed is swarming with AIM-120 kills and not R-27ER’s. If you actually tried to put your fantasy into practice then you’d see that trying to out-BVR a wall of AIM-120’s with Fox-1’s is nothing but suicide.
Even when he is, he still has an overwhelming advantage.
It’s also worth noting that the 27ER isn’t the range king here. There are still a few uptiered tomcats flinging their phoenixes around. While not the hardest missile to evade, you still need to respect phoenixes and the pressure they exert on the battlefield throws quite the spanner into the works of anyone trying to maintain target lock to put the perfect Fox-1 BVR theorycraft into practice. ESPECIALLY if you’re in the OG Su-27, Mig-29, or Yak-141 and your RWR doesn’t give you the slightest bit of a clue in regards to WHAT is locking you, or even precise threat direction to help with that notching.
It would be better for you not to mention Phoenixes, especially in comparison with the R-27 family of missiles. Its range exists only on paper, but in reality, it is a slow and cumbersome missile that will miss if the target makes even a slight maneuver. By the way, the Tomcat’s RWR also does not provide information about the launch of the R-27.
I’ll mention it since I’m correct. They handily outrange the 27ER and they will kill you if you don’t respect them.
Are you firing phoenix from 2km altitude? Because when I fire it it goes faster than any missile in the game when it’s motor turns off